new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

cadaliac · 22-02-2020 10:52AM

Drumpot wrote: »

These countries have already communicated information to its Population In advance of a crisis. That’s more then our authorities In this country, thus ahead of the curve. Regardless of who read the Information, they already started education and showed it was an important thing for their population to be mindful of. We are going be reactive in this regard, not proactive.

HSE have issued statements and requested that people use common sense in regards to hygine etc.
Hand wash dispensers are installed in collages, hospitals and most public places that they can
Outside of causing widespread fear and panic, what else should they do.?

laurah591 · 22-02-2020 10:54AM

wakka12 wrote: »

3rd death in South Korea as cases rise to 433. Appears to be increasing even quicker than it did in Wuhan in early January

Where did you see this confirmed? Was looking for a source article

MD1990 · 22-02-2020 10:58AM

laurah591 wrote: »

Where did you see this confirmed? Was looking for a source article

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

that is legit

Duke of Url · 22-02-2020 10:59AM

Drumpot wrote: »

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-study/wuhan-woman-with-no-symptoms-infects-five-relatives-with-coronavirus-study-idUSKBN20G00J

Person who infected 5 relatives and has never shown any symptoms

This is an interesting article

There could be a few, 100s, 1000s , 10s of thousands, 100s of thousands , millions, or 10s of millions of people like her at the moment who have 0 symptoms but would test positive if found.

Graces7 · 22-02-2020 10:59AM

Duke of Url wrote: »

With bird flu there was panic, with swine flu there was panic. These have not gone away.

There is no panic now when they are classified as seasonal viruses now.

You can panic all you want if it makes you feel safer.

To me it’s something that will be downgraded soon enough. To you it’s Armageddon.

What panic? I see no panic here at all. I see concern and caring and a willingness to be ready for whatever happens, or not. A responsible, mature and practical attitude to world events.

laurah591 · 22-02-2020 11:01AM

MD1990 wrote: »

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

that is legit

Agreed - 3rd death comment was what i was trying to verify

As an aside...TinFoil Hat time

I think the WHO got BNO

tuxy · 22-02-2020 11:01AM

laurah591 wrote: »

Where did you see this confirmed? Was looking for a source article

Someone posted Third "potential coronavirus death in Korea"

Then many have now taken that as confirmed.

Once it's confirmed by a poster on twitter then it soon be confirmed by a poster on here.

That's how most info on this thread is generated.

wakka12 · 22-02-2020 11:02AM

Duke of Url wrote: »

This is an interesting article

There could be a few, 100s, 1000s , 10s of thousands, 100s of thousands , millions, or 10s of millions of people like her at the moment who have 0 symptoms but would test positive if found.

The cruise ship passengers will show how common it is, a few days ago it said 70 passengers tested positive but were asymptomatic. I don't know if it just meant they are in incubation phase or not

Graces7 · 22-02-2020 11:03AM

cadaliac wrote: »

HSE have issued statements and requested that people use common sense in regards to hygine etc.
Hand wash dispensers are installed in collages, hospitals and most public places that they can
Outside of causing widespread fear and panic, what else should they do.?

Thank you I have been saying this for days to no avail. Folk seem hell bent on blaming HSE who are following EU and WHO guidelines,

I also made reference to the HSE statement you can read on the RTE news site but no one was listening. They are covering all bases at this stage of the situation.

Now this IS a panic reaction ! Not reading etc

laurah591 · 22-02-2020 11:04AM

tuxy wrote: »

Someone posted Third "potential coronavirus death in Korea"

Then many have now taken that as confirmed.

Once it's confirmed by a poster on twitter then it soon be confirmed by a poster on here.

That's how most info on this thread is generated.

Ah now Tuxy, I haven't seen much unconfirmed stuff presented as gospel here, thats a little harsh ... monkey covers eyes emoiji

Drumpot · 22-02-2020 11:06AM

cadaliac wrote: »

HSE have issued statements and requested that people use common sense in regards to hygine etc.
Hand wash dispensers are installed in collages, hospitals and most public places that they can
Outside of causing widespread fear and panic, what else should they do.?

Most people not following this are unaware of any of these measures they have been taking.

So there is no way of communicating better with the public without causing panic? There is absolutely nothing else that can be done to Better prepare people without being hysterical and causing panic? I really hope that’s not the kind of thinking behind the scenes, if you can’t communicate with the public before a crisis then I would worry how you would do it during a crisis.

Duke of Url · 22-02-2020 11:08AM

Graces7 wrote: »

What panic? I see no panic here at all. I see concern and caring and a willingness to be ready for whatever happens, or not. A responsible, mature and practical attitude to world events.

Grace. People are searching for videos and articles of worse case scenarios and posting them as fact.

All the professionals are saying current analytics are not correct as it’s impossible to know if you tested the world population now, How many cases would there be.

A question for you Grace.... Have you ever been put off travelling during the winter or spring time?

Drumpot · 22-02-2020 11:10AM

Graces7 wrote: »

Thank you I have been saying this for days to no avail. Folk seem hell bent on blaming HSE who are following EU and WHO guidelines,

I also made reference to the HSE statement you can read on the RTE news site but no one was listening. They are covering all bases at this stage of the situation.

Now this IS a panic reaction ! Not reading etc

Totally disagree TBH, only people who have been following this crisis have paid any attention to the HSE warnings. Most friends, family and clients I’ve spoken with are oblivious of any of this. People only pay attention to warnings or caution when they perceive a threat. “Nothing to worry“ about in Ireland sends a conflicting message, so people don’t worry and don’t take protective measures.

tom1ie · 22-02-2020 11:17AM

As Chris Hatfield would say:
To me, it’s simple: if you’ve got the time, use it to get ready. What else could you possibly have to do that’s more important? Yes, maybe you’ll learn how to do a few things you’ll never wind up actually needing to do, but that’s a much better problem to have than needing to do something and having no clue where to start.

Better to prepare for the worst and hope for the best. That’s not panicking. That’s having a mature approach.

Duke of Url · 22-02-2020 11:22AM

tom1ie wrote: »

As Chris Hatfield would say:
To me, it’s simple: if you’ve got the time, use it to get ready. What else could you possibly have to do that’s more important? Yes, maybe you’ll learn how to do a few things you’ll never wind up actually needing to do, but that’s a much better problem to have than needing to do something and having no clue where to start.

Better to prepare for the worst and hope for the best. That’s not panicking. That’s having a mature approach.

That’s a mindset..

So what are you doing at this moment to prepare for COVID19.

cadaliac · 22-02-2020 11:24AM

Ok, outside of this thread:
If you ask anyone about the virus, (coronavirus, or whatever name you wish to call it) do you think that anyone would answer that they haven’t heard of it, or haven’t a clue what you are talking about?
Do you honestly think that the general population of Ireland is unaware ?
We have no confirmed cases. The HSE are following protocol. The news is updating (yes albeit infrequently) and there is plenty of information online.
Some on here are almost thriving on this as being a pandemic. I do understand and realise the potential that this has, but currently, there is no pandemic. There is no need to panic.
Issuing scaremongering statements like the red tops, will do nothing to prepare the population of Ireland for any crisis. That is my point.

Blud · 22-02-2020 11:34AM

tom1ie wrote: »

As Chris Hatfield would say:
To me, it’s simple: if you’ve got the time, use it to get ready. What else could you possibly have to do that’s more important? Yes, maybe you’ll learn how to do a few things you’ll never wind up actually needing to do, but that’s a much better problem to have than needing to do something and having no clue where to start.

Better to prepare for the worst and hope for the best. That’s not panicking. That’s having a mature approach.

It is also a mental way to spend your day to day life.

Between preparing for the storm tomorrow, the snow on Tuesday, and Armageddon virus any day now, I dont know where you'd find the energy.

Duke of Url · 22-02-2020 11:36AM

cadaliac wrote: »

Ok, outside of this thread:
If you ask anyone about the virus, (coronavirus, or whatever name you wish to call it) do you think that anyone would answer that they haven’t heard of it, or haven’t a clue what you are talking about?
Do you honestly think that the general population of Ireland is unaware ?
We have no confirmed cases. The HSE are following protocol. The news is updating (yes albeit infrequently) and there is plenty of information online.
Some on here are almost thriving on this as being a pandemic. I do understand and realise the potential that this has, but currently, there is no pandemic. There is no need to panic.
Issuing scaremongering statements like the red tops, will do nothing to prepare the population of Ireland for any crisis. That is my point.

Some posters here are not looking for facts. They depend on the fear factor of the unknown.

Scientific analysis say to take the severe, critical and death percentages with a pinch of salt.

Many posters are saying these numbers are fact.

tuxy · 22-02-2020 11:36AM

Blud wrote: »

It is also a mental way to spend your day to day life.

Between preparing for the storm tomorrow, the snow on Tuesday, and Armageddon virus any day now, I dont know where you'd find the energy.

Yes, I really don't see why someone in Ireland would priorities this over something that has a much higher chance of harming them.

Drumpot · 22-02-2020 11:38AM

cadaliac wrote: »

Ok, outside of this thread:
If you ask anyone about the virus, (coronavirus, or whatever name you wish to call it) do you think that anyone would answer that they haven’t heard of it, or haven’t a clue what you are talking about?
Do you honestly think that the general population of Ireland is unaware ?
We have no confirmed cases. The HSE are following protocol. The news is updating (yes albeit infrequently) and there is plenty of information online.
Some on here are almost thriving on this as being a pandemic. I do understand and realise the potential that this has, but currently, there is no pandemic. There is no need to panic.
Issuing scaremongering statements like the red tops, will do nothing to prepare the population of Ireland for any crisis. That is my point.

Knowing of the virus and knowing the potential Knock on effects (including severe restrictions on movement) if it does take off in Ireland are two completely different things.

I refute the suggestion that it’s panicking to state that more could be done to prepare and educate people. Like shown, some countries have communicated information to their population in advance of a crisis, not just waiting for a crisis.

I also refute the insinuation that it’s not possible to be better prepared or communicate more without causing panic. A simple communication protocol (even have their own updates on 6—1 news every day or so) allows the authority’s to control the narrative in an age of social media where panic will ensue due to fake news.

I think these basic protocols are just the bare minimum from our authority’s. I’m not just picking on the HSE btw, there appears to be no other authority Doing much to be fair. Some day there will be a crisis in this country, I think regardless of how this plays out, it’s a great opportunity to use it to improve our response and our own protocols.

Duke of Url · 22-02-2020 11:38AM

Blud wrote: »

It is also a mental way to spend your day to day life.

Between preparing for the storm tomorrow, the snow on Tuesday, and Armageddon virus any day now, I dont know where you'd find the energy.

Start with a bunker..:pac:

Timberrrrrrrr · 22-02-2020 11:40AM

Blud wrote: »

It is also a mental way to spend your day to day life.

Between preparing for the storm tomorrow, the snow on Tuesday, and Armageddon virus any day now, I dont know where you'd find the energy.

I have a spare room in my house, over the last couple of weeks while out shopping I have framed a few extra things for me and my 8 year old son, 18 x 2 litres of water (3 x 6 packs) - 3 KG of Pasta, 1.5 KG of rice, tinned food (beans, spam, spaghetti, rice pudding etc) Flour and other long life non perishable foods. Total cost has been about £30/£40 for this, if this virus is bought under control and it isnt needed then it will get used over the coming months with no waste.

This isn't panic buying or scaremongering in any way, it's just being a little more prepared just in case there is a situation where we may need to stay indoors for a few weeks to ensure our safety.

Mic 1972 · 22-02-2020 11:43AM

cadaliac wrote: »

We have no confirmed cases. The HSE are following protocol. The news is updating (yes albeit infrequently) and there is plenty of information online.

Let me stop you for a second here
Italy had 3 confirmed cases until yesterday, all 3 had been locked in a hospital since end of January and had virtually no contact with anybody ever since
Then in just 1 day the count goes up to 35 infected people.
Having no confirmed cases doesn't exclude the virus from being already here

Dotsie~tmp · 22-02-2020 11:48AM

Mic 1972 wrote: »

Let me stop you for a second here
Italy had 3 confirmed cases until yesterday, all 3 had been locked in a hospital since end of January and had virtually no contact with anybody ever since
Then in just 1 day the count goes up to 35 infected people.
Having no confirmed cases doesn't exclude the virus from being already here

With a potential 3 to 4 week period before being symptomatic. It could have been here weeks ago. It's clearly gonna spread everywhere. The economic impact will be more severe I think.

Most humans live day to day with little in the way of supplies or medical safety net. Supply chain breakdown is what people in power are afraid of. I see panic coming. Maybe nothing to stop it.

Mic 1972 · 22-02-2020 11:52AM

Dotsie~tmp wrote: »

With a potential 3 to 4 week period before being symptomatic. It could have been here weeks ago. It's clearly gonna spread everywhere. The economic impact will be more severe I think.

Most humans live day to day with little in the way of supplies or medical safety net. Supply chain breakdown is what people in power are afraid of. I see panic coming. Maybe nothing to stop it.

Personally I doubt there will be a supply chain break down. Wuhan has been locked down for 2 months and shops are still being replenished daily.
The virus seems to affect only 20% of people, the rest will have mild to no symptoms and will carry on their day to day life

laurah591 · 22-02-2020 11:53AM

Mic 1972 wrote: »

Let me stop you for a second here
Italy had 3 confirmed cases until yesterday, all 3 had been locked in a hospital since end of January and had virtually no contact with anybody ever since
Then in just 1 day the count goes up to 35 infected people.
Having no confirmed cases doesn't exclude the virus from being already here

Actually up at 41 now with 2 deaths.... a pretty quick deterioration. [Like seriously how do you go from 3 to... 2 unrelated deaths, 2 critical condition, 14 serious condition in 24 hours]

Really wouldn't be surprised to see clusters emerge around Europe inc Irl but only when (unfortunately) the virus meets an older person or immunocompromised. Probs no harm for more at risk groups being extra vigilante (not talking locking themselves away - more over regularly washing hands, have a hand sanitiser in the pocket if travelling on public transport and maybe avoiding sick people for the time being). I wouldn't consider any of this OTT, just practical

whiskeyman · 22-02-2020 11:53AM

BanditLuke wrote: »

On a serious note can you imagine the amount of pure misery that Joe would ring out of any Covid19 outbreak here on a large scale

Liveline probably renamed to Sickline.

22-02-2020 12:04PM

givyjoe wrote: »

It's beyond stupid. Do you have any evidence to contradict this number? It's been stated multiple times that if too many people get infected at once, health systems will be overwhelmed and that mortality will increase significantly. Multiple sources, multiple times have stated the critical numbers to be around 1/5, even if its slightly less, this is still enough to overwhelm the Oxygen supplies/equipment needed. Why on earth do you think we are seeing such drastic measures never seen before?

Flu has been around for hundreds of years and traversed the world many times. This is a brand new virus in humans and is viral pneumonia NOT flu. This is the perspective that's needed, not stupidly comparing it to a long established less deadly viruses for which some vaccines are already available.

It's not viral pneumonia. Viral pneumonia can be a secondary effect of the virus.

22-02-2020 12:09PM

Graces7 wrote: »

What panic? I see no panic here at all. I see concern and caring and a willingness to be ready for whatever happens, or not. A responsible, mature and practical attitude to world events.

Somebody was talking about buying a generator. I mean. Come on.

Poor_old_gill · 22-02-2020 12:11PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Somebody was talking about buying a generator. I mean. Come on.

While I agree with a bit of stockpiling for peace of mind - a generator was a bit crazy. It might turn out to not be but initially it sounds it!

new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

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