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new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

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  • #7412
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 7,967 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Believing there is some small possibility this could be man-made is not completely crazy but basing that on those books ..


  • #7413
    Graces7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    SMC92Ian wrote: »
    I also believe it could be manmade, there has been a lot going on in China and this just came out of nowhere didn't it?

    No, It came from eating filthy wild critters at an illegal market.


  • #7414
    tara73
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,369 ✭✭✭tara73


    Stark wrote: »
    Well I believe in the tooth fairy. No more discussion please, I want to leave it at that.

    Btw, you seem like the gullible sort. Can I sell you some crystals to protect against the disease?

    and you seem like the sort who thinks he/she can judge from a high horse being the know it all. I already said it myself in my last post I will not discuss it any further because of exactly posters like you coming along with this arrogant attitude.
    And you're not a mod by the way. they decide what's inapprobriate, not you.


    have a nice day !


  • #7415
    tara73
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,369 ✭✭✭tara73


    Hector Savage wrote: »
    Why though ?
    To crash the chinese economy ?


    exactly.


  • #7416
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    SMC92Ian wrote: »
    I also believe it could be manmade, there has been a lot going on in China and this just came out of nowhere didn't it?

    A lot of what going on?
    Most diseases are a chance happening, a one in a million scenario that occurs when one infected species meets a viable animal host which happens to then come in close contact with a human who contracts it


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  • #7417
    tara73
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,369 ✭✭✭tara73


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Believing there is some small possibility this could be man-made is not completely crazy but basing that on those books ..


    I don't base it solemly on those books! Never said that.


  • #7418
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,953 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    tara73 wrote: »
    I don't base it solemly on those books! Never said that.

    but you did say
    when seeing such book about from decades ago describing the situation it confirms it for me.

    so you do place a lot of credence in a work of fiction and some modern day nostradamus.


  • #7419
    s7ryf3925pivug
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,999 ✭✭✭s7ryf3925pivug


    Fr_Dougal wrote: »
    Google ‘The Wreck of the Titan: Or, Futility’.
    Interesting.

    Another one - I thought Black Sunday by Thomas Harris had some similarities to 911 when I read it. Islamic terrorists use commercial aircraft to attack a major landmark in the USA.

    I find it unsettling to wonder if that's where they got the idea.

    These would make a good thread in their own right.

    Another one, very well known - the first Black Mirror episode and the pigs head story about David Cameron.

    Tintin in the Land of the Soviets showed Russians doing non-work to give the impression of high productivity and full employment. That was pretty accurate too, as it transpired, though more insightful than predictive exactly.


  • #7420
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    12 cases in total today in Japan, total 93 countrywide now. Including a taxi driver who collected somebody from the Princess Diamond in Okinawa on February 1st, when the first positive case was identified. So there were significant number of infections on board the ship over two weeks ago


  • #7421
    SeaBreezes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,554 ✭✭✭SeaBreezes


    In Tara's defence, 'sample' smuggling and international espionage with regards to labs DOES happen.
    Though I would hope no-one is crazy enough to create a bio-weapon and release it, ( mutation, much?)

    Anyway the world of scientific espionage:

    A federal court has reportedly unsealed a shocking set of indictments implicating Charles Lieber, the head of Harvard University‘s chemistry department, as well as two Chinese nationals, for smuggling “biological material” into China and later lying about it.

    Lieber was reportedly paid $50,000 per month by the Wuhan University of Technology – Wuhan being where the current coronavirus global health emergency began – to participate in its so-called “Thousand Talents Program.” He was also paid more than $1.5 million to create a laboratory and conduct “research” at the school.


    Zaosong Zheng, a graduate student at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center in Boston, was arrested December 10 as he was attempting to fly from Boston to Beijing with stolen biological specimens in his luggage. He planned to take the vials of cancer cells to Sun Yat-sen Memorial Hospital in China, according to The New York Times.

    Prosecutors stated in court documents that the incident seems to be part of a larger effort to steal material from the lab where Zheng worked and bring it to China, the Times reports. Zheng’s roommate, also a researcher, told FBI agents that two labmates of Zheng had succeeded in getting specimens to China. “t appears to have been a coordinated crime, with likely involvement by the Chinese government,” the prosecutors allege in the court filings.

    Harvard University had sponsored Zheng’s visa to study in the US.



    https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/grad-student-arrested-trying-to-smuggle-specimens-to-china-66889


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  • #7422
    Hector Savage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    https://fortune.com/2020/02/20/coronavirus-fecal-transmission/
    I wonder could this be an explanation why the spread is not exploding outside China ?

    Very very poor hygiene in China - especially their toilet ettiquette.

    Am unlucky enough to work with a chinese fella and he leaves the jax in work in a horrid state, piss and shyte all over the place - filthy kernt


  • #7423
    Snow Garden
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Snow Garden


    Originally Posted by Snow Garden View Post
    I care because posts like this scare people in doing stuff that is not necessary. There is no need to scare people. People have lost the run of themselves.

    Did anyone stockpile for SARS? That was 17 years ago and infected people in 29 countries.

    I am off to invest in face mask companies and make some money from this madness.
    cnocbui wrote: »
    Perhaps you should go preach your Ostrich dogma to CNBC - you know, the US based finance news website. They must be panicking - go stop them, quick. These are the Virus article stories in just the first two screens of that site on my laptop. It's the topic of global concern at the moment. You are the odd man out, you are the one out of step with the global conversation.

    Were you actually replying to my post or having a rant and stating the obvious? I don't watch CNBC but I know there will be a financial impact. Especially for China. We all know that. It's already happening. Many Chinese stocks lost 10% on the day their stock market opened after the New Year holiday. It would have been much more but they have 10% daily loss limits on their equities.

    Potential financial/economic repercussions are still no valid reason to anticipate a major outbreak here or the breakdown of food supply chains here. It's still no reason for chicken lickens to scare people with the utter nonsense we are seeing on social media. I am only on Boards but I am sure Twitter and Facebook is full of the fake news too.

    There was a post recently which made me smile - someone said they were making great progress mapping the virus which will ultimately lead to a vaccine. It got no 'likes' whereas vacuous posts after it got loads of likes from the doomsayers.


  • #7424
    Snow Garden
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Snow Garden


    bodhrandude wrote: »
    Coronavirus 'spike' protein just mapped, leading way to vaccine (livescience.com).

    Great news :) (not a single like)


  • #7425
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    Hector Savage wrote: »
    https://fortune.com/2020/02/20/coronavirus-fecal-transmission/
    I wonder could this be an explanation why the spread is not exploding outside China ?

    Very very poor hygiene in China - especially their toilet ettiquette.

    Am unlucky enough to work with a chinese fella and he leaves the jax in work in a horrid state, piss and shyte all over the place - filthy kernt

    Well thats quite racist. Wuhan is a modern and well developed city that would put much of Dublin's infrastructure and living standards to shame, not a slum , hygiene is certainly not the reason it is spreading quickly. It is spreading quickly in Deagu also


  • #7426
    CrankyHaus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭CrankyHaus


    Kaya Prehistoric Landlord wrote: »
    Another one, very well known - the first Black Mirror episode and the pigs head story about David Cameron.

    Tintin in the Land of the Soviets showed Russians doing non-work to give the impression of high productivity and full employment. That was pretty accurate too, as it transpired, though more insightful than predictive exactly.

    I always assumed the Black Mirror writers knew people who told them about the pigs head before it became public rumor. The elite who work in media and politics all run in the same Oxbridge circles in the UK.

    The Tintin stuff: Potemkin villages existed in Russia long before. That kind of official deception pre existed the Soviets in Russian culture.

    One can find artistic parallels to later developments anywhere if they look hard enough. Even the Chernobyl disaster has striking similarities with parts of the Bible. None of it means anything.


  • #7427
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    wakka12 wrote: »
    Well thats quite racist. Wuhan is a modern and well developed city, not a slum , hygiene is certainly not the reason it is spreading quickly. It is spreading quickly in Deagu also

    Do you know if it’s true that China has a culture of spitting? If so , I would of thought it’s a reasonable (not racist) question to ask if this has any bearing on the spread.


  • #7428
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,980 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    OSI wrote: »
    Wow. What a lovely culturally ignorant and racist comment.

    He's well known for making such comments about every nation that is not the UK.


  • #7429
    RebelButtMunch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,406 ✭✭✭RebelButtMunch


    wakka12 wrote: »
    Well thats quite racist. Wuhan is a modern and well developed city that would put much of Dublin's infrastructure and living standards to shame, not a slum , hygiene is certainly not the reason it is spreading quickly. It is spreading quickly in Deagu also

    It's not racist. It's stereotyping


  • #7430
    padjocollins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 459 ✭✭padjocollins


    Snow Garden wrote: »
    Great news :) (not a single like)

    18 to 24 months. that's a long time on death row


  • #7431
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    RebelButtMunch wrote: »
    It's not racist. It's stereotyping

    It is racist, he was implying that it was spreading quickly in China through fecal matter contact because he knows a guy who leaves the jax in a state


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  • #7432
    notobtuse
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    I read that the regular flu’s we deal with today are actually variations of the 1918 Spanish Flu. If true, how many hundreds of years will we be dealing with this deadly strain of the WuFlu?

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



  • #7433
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    Drumpot wrote: »
    Do you know if it’s true that China has a culture of spitting? If so , I would of thought it’s a reasonable (not racist) question to ask if this has any bearing on the spread.

    I have heard that actually. But just outdoors, if theyre not spitting on or at people I dont think it would have a big impact on the spread.


  • #7434
    s7ryf3925pivug
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,999 ✭✭✭s7ryf3925pivug


    CrankyHaus wrote: »
    I always assumed the Black Mirror writers knew people who told them about the pigs head before it became public rumor. The elite who work in media and politics all run in the same Oxbridge circles in the UK.

    The Tintin stuff: Potemkin villages existed in Russia long before. That kind of official deception pre existed the Soviets in Russian culture.

    One can find artistic parallels to later developments anywhere if they look hard enough. Even the Chernobyl disaster has striking similarities with parts of the Bible. None of it means anything.
    That's interesting about the potemkin villages.

    Wasn't suggesting any if them meant anything beyond face value. Don't even think Charlie Brooker had access to inside info about pig ****ing. Just find the parallels interesting.


  • #7435
    RebelButtMunch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,406 ✭✭✭RebelButtMunch


    wakka12 wrote: »
    It is racist, he was implying that it was spreading quickly in China through fecal matter contact because he knows a guy who leaves the jax in a state

    Chinese citizens aren't a race.


  • #7436
    Snow Garden
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Snow Garden


    padjocollins wrote: »
    18 to 24 months. that's a long time on death row

    Perhaps they will break the rules and rush it out like the initial swine flu vaccines.

    https://www.lawsociety.ie/gazette/top-stories/swine-flu/
    The vaccine was rushed into service in 2009 due to fears of a global swine flu pandemic.

    Because clinical trials had not been fully completed, the Government agreed to indemnify GSK, which would not otherwise have agreed to supply the vaccine.


  • #7437
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    wakka12 wrote: »
    I have heard that actually. But just outdoors, if theyre not spitting on or at people I dont think it would have a big impact on the spread.

    I suppose so, unless spit leaves some sort of elements of the virus and it can maybe evaporate and cause issues? Ah I dont know , do we think that the spread in Wuhan was primarily due to government slow to act in a densely populated area ?


  • #7438
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,980 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    notobtuse wrote: »
    I read that the regular flu’s we deal with today are actually variations of the 1918 Spanish Flu. If true, how many hundreds of years will we be dealing with this deadly strain of the WuFlu?

    No idea if that is correct but a virus can mutate into something less deadly and it can survive better that way as we not as cautious of it.


  • #7439
    Hector Savage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    wakka12 wrote: »
    Well thats quite racist. Wuhan is a modern and well developed city that would put much of Dublin's infrastructure and living standards to shame, not a slum , hygiene is certainly not the reason it is spreading quickly. It is spreading quickly in Deagu also

    lets leave the PC bs aside, my mother had 2 chinese girls staying in her house last year - and they were extremely wealthy , they left their rooms with ****ty tissues in the bins, they DESTROYED the jacks, she needed to get them professionally cleaned - I was in China myself years ago and it was normal to see people spit on the floor in public buidlings, trains, buses ... disgusting ...


  • #7440
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    Snow Garden wrote: »
    Perhaps they will break the rules and rush it out like the initial swine flu vaccines.

    https://www.lawsociety.ie/gazette/top-stories/swine-flu/

    Id be interested to know what the potential downsides are to rushing a vaccine. Laws of unintended consequences are difficult to mitigate if you havent had as much time to do a SWOT analysis of sorts.


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  • #7441
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    Hector Savage wrote: »
    lets leave the PC bs aside, my mother had 2 chinese girls staying in her house last year - and they were extremely wealthy , they left their rooms with ****ty tissues in the bins, they DESTROYED the jacks, she needed to get them professionally cleaned - I was in China myself years ago and it was normal to see people spit on the floor in public buidlings, trains, buses ... disgusting ...

    Its not PC, come on , you are saying a whole race of people are 'dirty', I know plenty of Chinese people too and their cleanliness does not seem anything out of the ordinary. The link you posted said it may have travelled quickly because of fecal matter because of a ship environment, nothing about Wuhan or chinese culture or any explanation why it was spreading fast there. More likely it is spreading fast because Wuhan has a high population density than anything else


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