Jordan Peterson interview on C4

Brian? · 20-02-2020 01:49PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

20cent is ideologically possessed as Peterson would say.. come on.. you know it as well as I do..

What ideology is 20cent possessed by? Genuinely curious.

20-02-2020 01:51PM

General left wing hipster wokeness..

LineOfBeauty · 20-02-2020 01:53PM

Deleted User wrote: »

General left wing hipster wokeness..

You mean empathy for people...

20-02-2020 01:53PM

LineOfBeauty wrote: »

You mean empathy for people...

No..

20Cent · 20-02-2020 01:59PM

Deleted User wrote: »

General left wing hipster wokeness..

Thanks consider that a complement.

The vast majority of people agree with my point of view.
Yourself and Peterson are in the minority.

20-02-2020 02:01PM

20Cent wrote: »

Thanks consider that a complement.

The vast majority of people agree with my point of view.
Yourself and Peterson are in the minority.

Are they agreeing with you, or are you agreeing with them?

20Cent · 20-02-2020 02:03PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Are they agreeing with you, or are you agreeing with them?

Well self ID passed uncontested in the Dail and nobody made a fuss about it or is trying to have it overturned or anything. I'm very live and let live. If we can make peoples lives a bit easier with zero effort why not.

Gynoid · 20-02-2020 02:05PM

20Cent wrote: »

Well self ID passed uncontested in the Dail and nobody made a fuss about it or is trying to have it overturned or anything. I'm very live and let live. If we can make peoples lives a bit easier with zero effort why not.

And if women are raped in prison by transwomen, as has happened in the UK, then what, you fuss-free, groovy hipster?

LineOfBeauty · 20-02-2020 02:06PM

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Are they agreeing with you, or are you agreeing with them?

Trying to be individualistic by "going against the grain" and wokeness by trying to make a vulnerable minority even more of a target is just a bit cruel though.

sbsquarepants · 20-02-2020 02:08PM

20Cent wrote: »

It's about .7% of the population.
Out of that .7% some will be post opp so say it's .5% who will have a penis.
Out of that .5% what are the chances of being in the changing room looking at them for the few seconds they are exposed?

You are talking about an event that is so remote to be insignificant.

So remote as to be insignificant, once viewed from your side of course.

20Cent · 20-02-2020 02:14PM

Gynoid wrote: »

And if women are raped in prison by transwomen, as has happened in the UK, then what, you fuss-free, groovy hipster?

You think that a rapist should dictate trans rights?
Very regressive.

sbsquarepants · 20-02-2020 02:30PM

20Cent wrote: »

You think that a rapist should dictate trans rights?
Very regressive.

Would you tell the victim that she's statistically insignificant?
That her ordeal is just the price that needs to be paid so Manny the tranny can dry his lady dick in the ladies dressing room.... with the other ladies!

20Cent · 20-02-2020 02:39PM

sbsquarepants wrote: »

Would you tell the victim that she's statistically insignificant?
That her ordeal is just the price that needs to be paid so Manny the tranny can dry his lady dick in the ladies dressing room.... with the other ladies!

Someone was raped by a trans person in prison therefore all trans people should be banned form changing rooms.

Replace trans with Black or Jewish or traveler in the above.

It's bigoted.

Gynoid · 20-02-2020 02:41PM

20Cent wrote: »

You think that a rapist should dictate trans rights?
Very regressive.

I think the continuance of male rape RATES among Transwomen should be of major concern when deciding public policy, yes. So...shrugs, bite me, I guess.
Again, for your perusal - https://www.womenarehuman.com/

sbsquarepants · 20-02-2020 02:42PM

20Cent wrote: »

Someone was raped by a trans person in prison therefore all trans people should be banned form changing rooms.

Replace trans with Black or Jewish or traveler in the above.

It's bigoted.

You spelled biology wrong.

It's not the same thing as Jewish, or Black or Traveler - not even close to the same thing.

20Cent · 20-02-2020 02:45PM

Gynoid wrote: »

I think the continuance of male rape RATES among Transwomen should be of major concern when deciding public policy, yes. So...shrugs, bite me, I guess.
Again, for your perusal - https://www.womenarehuman.com/

Could you link top some stats or something rather than a full website full of articles what are you directing me at?

Thanks

20Cent · 20-02-2020 02:45PM

sbsquarepants wrote: »

You spelled biology wrong.

It's not the same thing as Jewish, or Black or Traveler - not even close to the same thing.

Sorry you are not allowed into this bar because an Irish guy raped someone.
Stupid.

sbsquarepants · 20-02-2020 02:59PM

20Cent wrote: »

Sorry you are not allowed into this bar because an Irish guy raped someone.
Stupid.

Very stupid.

Bears no relationship to what were talking about, but at least we agreed on something!

20Cent · 20-02-2020 03:04PM

sbsquarepants wrote: »

Very stupid.

Bears no relationship to what were talking about, but at least we agreed on something!

Collective punishment of a group because someone in that group is a criminal.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 20-02-2020 04:40PM

Brian? wrote: »

This is going in circles. Most transgender women won't be comfortable in mens changing rooms.

Then they are uncomfortable around people who are in the same arena as them, strength-wise. Unlike women.

LineOfBeauty · 20-02-2020 04:46PM

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Then they are uncomfortable around people who are in the same arena as them, strength-wise. Unlike women.

How would you feel about sharing a changing room space with a lesbian bodybuilder? That person is stronger than you, and is attracted to your gender.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 20-02-2020 04:50PM

LineOfBeauty wrote: »

How would you feel about sharing a changing room space with a lesbian bodybuilder? That person is stronger than you, and is attracted to your gender.

I'd be fine with it. The female body builder will not be stronger than most men. I do recall another delightful podium a while back where a transgender bodybuilder stood on top beside women in better shape than her. Clearly didn’t have to work hard to become stronger then those female body builders. It’s almost like there are significant physical differences.

Meanwhile a transwomen, being a biological male, will be likely as strong as man she encounters.

LineOfBeauty · 20-02-2020 04:53PM

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

I'd be fine with it. The female body builder will not be stronger than most men. I do recall another delightful podium a while back where a transgender bodybuilder stood on top beside women in better shape than her. Clearly didn’t have to work hard to become stronger then those female body builders. It’s almost like there are significant physical differences.

Meanwhile a transwomen, being a biological male, will be likely as strong as man she encounters.

Might not be stronger than most men but will be stronger than 99% of women and is attracted to women (which the trans person may not be) and apparently the changing room turns people into sex crazed lunatics so she wont be able to control her inner urges. Honestly I'd be far more worried about the imaginary lesbian bodybuilder in your changing room than the imaginary sex pest trans person in your changing room.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 20-02-2020 05:07PM

LineOfBeauty wrote: »

Might not be stronger than most men but will be stronger than 99% of women and is attracted to women (which the trans person may not be) and apparently the changing room turns people into sex crazed lunatics so she wont be able to control her inner urges. Honestly I'd be far more worried about the imaginary lesbian bodybuilder in your changing room than the imaginary sex pest trans person in your changing room.

Well then, if the risk of attack in these spaces is minimal, then transwomen should be able to use the facilities of their biological sex, right?

I’ve shared many a space with lesbians over the years. Doesn’t bother me at all. In pretty much every case, if I was accosted by a lesbian, I’d be very confident I could fight them off. Oh yes, maybe not the lesbian bodybuilder. Well, I guess that puts me my place re: not wanting to share with packing transwomen. ALL transwomen will be way stronger than me. Every last one. Only the odd woman will be.

LineOfBeauty · 20-02-2020 05:10PM

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Well then, if the risk of attack in these spaces is minimal, then transwomen should be able to use the facilities of their biological sex, right?

I’ve shared many a space with lesbians over the years. Doesn’t bother me at all. In pretty much every case, if I was accosted by a lesbian, I’d be very confident I could fight them off. Oh yes, maybe not the lesbian bodybuilder. Well, I guess that puts me my place re: not wanting to share with packing transwomen. ALL transwomen will be way stronger than me. Every last one. Only the odd woman will be.

Or their assumed gender because, as you say, the risk of attack is beyond minimal.

If you feel safe enough to share a space with the lesbian bodybuilder then you should feel safe enough sharing a space with a trans person. Legally trans people are allowed to share spaces with you, you say you've shared spaces with lesbians in the past, how many trans people have you shared a space with?

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 20-02-2020 05:33PM

LineOfBeauty wrote: »

Or their assumed gender because, as you say, the risk of attack is beyond minimal.

If you feel safe enough to share a space with the lesbian bodybuilder then you should feel safe enough sharing a space with a trans person. Legally trans people are allowed to share spaces with you, you say you've shared spaces with lesbians in the past, how many trans people have you shared a space with?

So if the risk of attack is minimal, why can’t transwomen use men’s facilities?

Like I said, every single transwoman will be far stronger than me. Only the odd woman will be.

I’ve shared a women’s space with a transwoman once before to my knowledge in a very controlled work environment.

And finally, 11 year old menstruating me would have been far more comfortable around any women including lesbians than a biological male. Why are we even talking about lesbians, who are biological females?

LineOfBeauty · 20-02-2020 05:39PM

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

So if the risk of attack is minimal, why can’t transwomen use men’s facilities?

Like I said, every single transwoman will be far stronger than me. Only the odd woman will be.

I’ve shared a women’s space with a transwoman once before to my knowledge in a very controlled work environment.

And even in this controlled work environment the trans woman did not attack you? I wonder if you use public facilities like gyms, leisure centres or sports complexes, you may have even shared a space again with a trans person unbeknownst to yourself and yet you remain unharmed. By the way, you aren't the only one who remains unharmed having shared such a space with a trans person.

I'm certain that all lesbian bodybuilders will be stronger than you, unless you too are a bodybuilder? In which case, should we make it a rule that all gay men and all lesbian women stronger than the average person in a changing room at any one time should be denied access to that changing room until they are no longer stronger than the average of the population in the changing room? Is that the future that you want?

LineOfBeauty · 20-02-2020 05:41PM

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

So if the risk of attack is minimal, why can’t transwomen use men’s facilities?

Like I said, every single transwoman will be far stronger than me. Only the odd woman will be.

I’ve shared a women’s space with a transwoman once before to my knowledge in a very controlled work environment.

And finally, 11 year old menstruating me would have been far more comfortable around any women including lesbians than a biological male. Why are we even talking about lesbians, who are biological females?

Because you, and apparently some others on this thread, have a terrible fear of changing rooms and, much like in the 70's where people would subtly (and not so subtly) link homosexuality with pedophilia, there's certainly an element of dog whistling here linking transgender-ism to being a sexual predator. Different minority, different decade, same story.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 20-02-2020 05:45PM

LineOfBeauty wrote: »

And even in this controlled work environment the trans woman did not attack you? I wonder if you use public facilities like gyms, leisure centres or sports complexes, you may have even shared a space again with a trans person unbeknownst to yourself and yet you remain unharmed. By the way, you aren't the only one who remains unharmed having shared such a space with a trans person.

I'm certain that all lesbian bodybuilders will be stronger than you, unless you too are a bodybuilder? In which case, should we make it a rule that all gay men and all lesbian women stronger than the average person in a changing room at any one time should be denied access to that changing room until they are no longer stronger than the average of the population in the changing room? Is that the future that you want?

You... don’t understand the difference between a work environment and public spaces where there are many more variables? The nature of the work meant that lots of us were changing together. You’d never be in there in small numbers.

I have no idea what point you are making with the bolded part.

The female bodybuilder (I’m not sure you are specifying that she be a lesbian) will be stronger than me, yes. Just like every single transwoman.

Again, that you are specifying that lesbian bodybuilders should be banned by the logic is odd. Not straight female bodybuilders. What?

LineOfBeauty · 20-02-2020 05:54PM

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

You... don’t understand the difference between a work environment and public spaces where there are many more variables? The nature of the work meant that lots of us were changing together. You’d never be in there in small numbers.

I have no idea what point you are making with the bolded part.

The female bodybuilder (I’m not sure you are specifying that she be a lesbian) will be stronger than me, yes. Just like every single transwoman.

Again, that you are specifying that lesbian bodybuilders should be banned by the logic is odd. Not straight female bodybuilders. What?

So, presumably this person was a co-worker of yours, and you had probably known them a while, and yet you only felt comfortable in a changing room with them because there was loads of other people there too so you were assured this person wouldn't attack you...this co-worker who you probably see every day, probably chat to every day, and yet you only feel comfortable in their presence when there's lots of witnesses (?) around? What does that say to you?

Point is simple. You say you're afraid of being sexually assaulted in this public space by a trans person (this trans person would presumably have to be attracted to women). You say you feel unsafe because this trans person can physically overpower you. By that logic, everytime a strong looking lesbian walks into a changing room you are in (because that person is also attracted to women) you should run a mile. By that logic, everytime I (a fit male) walks into a changing room, men who are physically weaker than me should run for their lives? Does this proposition sound preposterous?

Jordan Peterson interview on C4

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