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new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    International mortality almost 1%


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    SeaBreezes wrote: »
    Ah yeah, and only 9 cases in the uk?
    Even after the bus drivers convention? Really?
    We have more suspected cases here but no direct flights to China.
    How can London not have more cases?
    Makes no sense.

    Terrible to see so many die in Wuhan but i have to say this is a fascinating virus. It is bizarre to think it spread in Wuhan so easily and yet despite cases in Europe it's going nowhere. Someone mentioned last week about it possibly being transported in the water system in Wuhan which is interesting maye the same thing happened on the cruise ferry?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    5 new cases in 5 different regions of Japan


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 326 ✭✭laurah591


    wakka12 wrote: »
    International mortality almost 1%

    I hate commenting on estimated mortality rates, but i suspect that cases are significantly underreported especially where people are suffering mild symptoms. Realistically most people will not see a doctor with common cold type symptoms. As such Int mortality potentially significantly lower (in my opinion).

    Also, I have seen very little reporting coming from America (now I haven't searched), however u would have thought that they would be experiencing more cases.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,369 ✭✭✭tara73


    poppers wrote: »
    Maybee should be in conspiracy theory form


    guys, this is freaking me out. what can we make of this? if this book is not a fake book written in the last month (and I googled it, seems to be real/from 1980) nobody can tell me this is all a coincidence and especially no conspiracy stuff anymore..:eek:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,853 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    The dog that hasn’t barked yet, no healthy Westerners, Africans etc have died yet?

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,204 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    tara73 wrote: »
    guys, this is freaking me out. what can we make of this? if this book is not a fake book written in the last month (and I googled it, seems to be real/from 1980) nobody can tell me this is all a coincidence and especially no conspiracy stuff anymore..:eek:

    One person got lucky predicting a respiratory illness in a particular year. Chances of getting that prediction right being something like 1 in 40.

    There are people who've won the Euromillions despite the chances of winning being only 1 in 140 million. Do those people also have "psychic powers"?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,953 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    tara73 wrote: »
    guys, this is freaking me out. what can we make of this? if this book is not a fake book written in the last month (and I googled it, seems to be real/from 1980) nobody can tell me this is all a coincidence and especially no conspiracy stuff anymore..:eek:

    so-called psychic mediums make predictions all the time. Occassionally one turns out to be correct but even a blind squirrel will find the occassional nut.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    silverharp wrote: »
    The dog that hasn’t barked yet, no healthy Westerners, Africans etc have died yet?

    Two middle eastern men. Very few 'healthy' people have died regardless of ethnicity


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    South Korea is spiking in the last few day while Europe is not moving
    Wondering how this is related to more people being tested versus few people being tested

    In Europe we test people who got in contact with other infected people or who were traveling from China, there could be a lot more people going around with the virus at the moment. The Iranian cases are evidence that the virus doesn't only travel by plane


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    South Korea close schools for first time in it's history on the grounds of health


  • Posts: 5,079 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    https://twitter.com/livecrisisnews/status/1230140167324827650

    havent seen this reported anywhere else so take with some salt


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,992 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    SeaBreezes wrote: »
    Ah yeah, and only 9 cases in the uk?
    Even after the bus drivers convention? Really?
    We have more suspected cases here but no direct flights to China.
    How can London not have more cases?
    Makes no sense.

    Well I'd suggest reading the article and the linked research for a start.

    From what I have read the city of Wuhan had a time lag of least 6-8 weeks between patient zero and the infection starting to go epidemic. The issue imo is that 80% of people will only experience mild symptoms or none. Many of those infected are not going to be picked up until the infection really takes a foothold.

    I dont believe that just because we are European or somehow magically different will stop that tbh.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,369 ✭✭✭tara73


    but these are not general 'psychic meduim predictions' about some pandemie from my pov. It describes exactly this case, a pneumonial virus, developed in the labs outside of WUHAN. That's what written in this book, no denying or downplaying it.

    I can't get my head around why people could not be shocked by this..
    Also, the book gives a very interesting hint: they always say the virus must have come from a bat/pangolin or whatever animal. Did they do tests in the last weeks to see if the virus is even able to live/reproduce in this animals to determine whether they could even be the spreader? would be a revealing study..

    and i can't stand it anymore people jumping out calling this conspiracy theories, they are not, it's the complete opposite: they are very realistic scenarios. if somebody would say, ok, the lizard people are at it again, sure, BS, not listening, but it has to be discussed and to find out in the end where this virus came from and it doesn't help to taboo and call people conspiracy nuts (why at all I ask myself, you only taboo and shoot down subjects because there's some truth which shouldn't be discovered) when there are very valid and likely reasons to believe it was manmade coming from a lab in Wuhan.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    laurah591 wrote: »
    I hate commenting on estimated mortality rates, but i suspect that cases are significantly underreported especially where people are suffering mild symptoms. Realistically most people will not see a doctor with common cold type symptoms. As such Int mortality potentially significantly lower (in my opinion).

    Also, I have seen very little reporting coming from America (now I haven't searched), however u would have thought that they would be experiencing more cases.

    Yes I would have said so too but it is odd how few cases are turning up positive considering how many tests some countries are performing


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,953 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    tara73 wrote: »
    but these are not general 'psychic meduim predictions' about some pandemie from my pov. It describes exactly this case, a pneumonial virus, developed in the labs outside of WUHAN. That's what written in this book, no denying or downplaying it.

    I can't get my head around why people could not be shocked by this..
    Also, the book gives a very interesting hint: they always say the virus must have come from a bat/pangolin or whatever animal. Did they do tests in the last weeks to see if the virus is even able to live/reproduce in this animals to determine whether they could even be the spreader? would be a revealing study..

    and i can't stand it anymore people jumping out calling this conspiracy theories, they are not, it's the complete opposite: they are very realistic scenarios. if somebody would say, ok, the lizard people are at it again, sure, BS, not listening, but it has to be discussed and to find out in the end where this virus came from and it doesn't help to taboo and call people conspiracy nuts (why at all I ask myself, you only taboo and shoot down subjects because there's some truth which shouldn't be discovered) when there are very valid and likely reasons to believe it was manmade coming from a lab in Wuhan.

    you showed 2 pages from a work of fiction. the details of which do not match up with the current virus apart from the location. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/dean-koontz-predicted-coronavirus/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,992 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    tara73 wrote: »
    guys, this is freaking me out. what can we make of this? if this book is not a fake book written in the last month (and I googled it, seems to be real/from 1980) nobody can tell me this is all a coincidence and especially no conspiracy stuff anymore..:eek:

    Already discussed quite a while back

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=112531235

    The updated reference in the book is based on the fact that there is a Virology lab in Wuhan.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,992 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    3rd page is from a different book 'End of days Predictions and Prophecies about the End of the World.

    "AMERICAN author Sylvia Browne may have prophesied the outbreak of Covid-19 in a book published 12 years ago.

    In her book End of Days: Predictions and Prophecies about the End of the World, which was co-written with Lindsay Harrison, Browne predicts the outbreak of a respiratory-related illness that will wreak havoc around the world.

    “In around 2020 a severe pneumonia-like illness will spread throughout the globe, attacking the lungs and the bronchial tubes and resisting all known treatments,“ reads a passage from the book.

    “Almost more baffling than the illness itself will be the fact that it will suddenly vanish as quickly as it arrived, attack again ten years later, and then disappear completely.”

    Browne was a fixture on American talk shows, and claimed to be a medium with psychic abilities. She died in 2013."

    Tbh - It reminds me a bit of HG Wells War of the Worlds where the common cold (a corona virus) defeats the army of invading aliens
    These germs of disease have taken toll of humanity since the beginning of things—taken toll of our prehuman ancestors since life began here. But by virtue of this natural selection of our kind we have developed resisting power; to no germs do we succumb without a struggle,


  • Posts: 7,967 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    tara73 wrote: »
    but these are not general 'psychic meduim predictions' about some pandemie from my pov. It describes exactly this case, a pneumonial virus, developed in the labs outside of WUHAN. That's what written in this book, no denying or downplaying it.

    I can't get my head around why people could not be shocked by this..
    Also, the book gives a very interesting hint: they always say the virus must have come from a bat/pangolin or whatever animal. Did they do tests in the last weeks to see if the virus is even able to live/reproduce in this animals to determine whether they could even be the spreader? would be a revealing study..

    and i can't stand it anymore people jumping out calling this conspiracy theories, they are not, it's the complete opposite: they are very realistic scenarios. if somebody would say, ok, the lizard people are at it again, sure, BS, not listening, but it has to be discussed and to find out in the end where this virus came from and it doesn't help to taboo and call people conspiracy nuts (why at all I ask myself, you only taboo and shoot down subjects because there's some truth which shouldn't be discovered) when there are very valid and likely reasons to believe it was manmade coming from a lab in Wuhan.

    Relax. It's photos from two separate books. The first talked about a virus and then some years later ammended the name to Wuhan 400 because a lab was operating there and it gave the fictional disease more realism.

    The second book just talks about a disease affecting the lungs appearing in 2020. That's hardly shocking considering diseases affecting the lungs (SARS and MERS) have been popping up and we know we're vulnerable to virus as we can't treat them. Therefore it makes a perfectly reasonable premise for a story.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,999 ✭✭✭s7ryf3925pivug


    laurah591 wrote: »
    Another interesting article drawing similarities between Singapore's and Sth Korea's church outbreaks https://www.ft.com/content/fd5fec40-538b-11ea-90ad-25e377c0ee1f
    Can't read it because it's behind a paywall.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,999 ✭✭✭s7ryf3925pivug


    Relax. It's photos from two separate books. The first talked about a virus and then some years later ammended the name to Wuhan 400 because a lab was operating there and it gave the fictional disease more realism.

    The second book just talks about a disease affecting the lungs appearing in 2020. That's hardly shocking considering diseases affecting the lungs (SARS and MERS) have been popping up and we know we're vulnerable to virus as we can't treat them. Therefore it makes a perfectly reasonable premise for a story.
    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/dean-koontz-predicted-coronavirus/

    Article expanding on aspects of this.

    Lucky it wasn't a Philip K Dick novel.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,554 ✭✭✭SeaBreezes


    You want to really go down that rabbit hole have a look at Madonnas Eurovision number in Tel Aviv.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VG3WkiL0d_U


    It's like she could see the future!! :-)
    Feck it lads, we're living in the matrix :-)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,369 ✭✭✭tara73


    Relax. It's photos from two separate books. The first talked about a virus and then some years later ammended the name to Wuhan 400 because a lab was operating there and it gave the fictional disease more realism.

    The second book just talks about a disease affecting the lungs appearing in 2020. That's hardly shocking considering diseases affecting the lungs (SARS and MERS) have been popping up and we know we're vulnerable to virus as we can't treat them. Therefore it makes a perfectly reasonable premise for a story.


    yes, that's what you believe, but I believe this is a manmade virus brought into the public on purpose by whomever.. when seeing such book about from decades ago describing the situation it confirms it for me.

    I know this would end up in a huge discussion people shooting it down (why I ask myself, why not even leave it open to a very big possibility..) therefore I leave it at this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,204 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    Well I believe in the tooth fairy. No more discussion please, I want to leave it at that.

    Btw, you seem like the gullible sort. Can I sell you some crystals to protect against the disease?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,166 ✭✭✭Fr_Dougal


    tara73 wrote: »
    yes, that's what you believe, but I believe this is a manmade virus brought into the public on purpose by whomever.. when seeing such book about from decades ago describing the situation it confirms it for me.

    I know this would end up in a huge discussion people shooting it down (why I ask myself, why not even leave it open to a very big possibility..) therefore I leave it at this.

    Google ‘The Wreck of the Titan: Or, Futility’.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    tara73 wrote: »
    yes, that's what you believe, but I believe this is a manmade virus brought into the public on purpose by whomever.. when seeing such book about from decades ago describing the situation it confirms it for me.

    I know this would end up in a huge discussion people shooting it down (why I ask myself, why not even leave it open to a very big possibility..) therefore I leave it at this.

    Why though ?
    To crash the chinese economy ?


  • Posts: 7,967 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    tara73 wrote: »
    yes, that's what you believe, but I believe this is a manmade virus brought into the public on purpose by whomever.. when seeing such book about from decades ago describing the situation it confirms it for me.

    I know this would end up in a huge discussion people shooting it down (why I ask myself, why not even leave it open to a very big possibility..) therefore I leave it at this.

    So you won't even acknowledge it's two separate books conflated together?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,015 ✭✭✭SMC92Ian


    I also believe it could be manmade, there has been a lot going on in China and this just came out of nowhere didn't it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,953 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    SMC92Ian wrote: »
    I also believe it could be manmade, there has been a lot going on in China and this just came out of nowhere didn't it?

    every new disease just comes out of nowhere if you want to put it that way


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    Someone said a few pages back a thesis could be done on this thread after all this is done and dusted, I am beginning to think the same ..


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