new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

wakka12 · 20-02-2020 09:44AM

3 more cases in Iran

Hector Savage · 20-02-2020 09:47AM

wakka12 wrote: »

3 more cases in Iran

The Iranian cases, who are they ? are they chinese nationals ?

wakka12 · 20-02-2020 09:51AM

Hector Savage wrote: »

The Iranian cases, who are they ? are they chinese nationals ?

Not been released. The two men who died were Iranian citizens though

gozunda · 20-02-2020 09:52AM

Why it may not be possible to contain the Coronavirus outbreak

I think we missed the chance to contain the coronavirus inside China,” Cowling says...

A study by researchers at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine estimates that 46 out of 100 infected travelers will be able to pass undetected through both exit screening at their departure destination and entry screening at their arrival location.

https://time.com/5784942/coronavirus-screening-westerdam-testing/

Kermit.de.frog · 20-02-2020 10:02AM

The WSJ is amazed that China is punishing it's journalists by expelling them over a critical article headline describing the country correctly as the 'sick man of Asia'

I'm shocked.

SeaBreezes · 20-02-2020 10:12AM

gozunda wrote: »

Why it may not be possible to contain the Coronavirus outbreak

https://time.com/5784942/coronavirus-screening-westerdam-testing/

Ah yeah, and only 9 cases in the uk?
Even after the bus drivers convention? Really?
We have more suspected cases here but no direct flights to China.
How can London not have more cases?
Makes no sense.

20-02-2020 10:16AM

Western Sydney University is offering $1,500 payments to Chinese students to help fund travel packages to third-country transit destinations to get around the federal government’s coronavirus ban.

International students at Western Sydney University have been informed that the institution will “pay each student arriving in Australia through a third county $1500 AUD to help cover the cost of airfares and 14 days’ accommodation”.

paywalled so google search helps:
https://www.google.com/search?q=Western+Sydney+University+will+pay+each+student+arriving+in+Australia+through+a+third+country+%241500+AUD+to+help+cover+the+cost+of+airfares+and+14+days+accomodation.&rlz=1C1CHNY_enAU705AU705&oq=Western+Sydney+University+will+pay+each+student+arriving+in+Australia+through+a+third+country+%241500+AUD+to+help+cover+the+cost+of+airfares+and+14+days+accomodation.&aqs=chrome..69i57&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

laurah591 · 20-02-2020 10:22AM

https://en.yna.co.kr/view/AEN20200220002055320

Good article re Sth Korea

BNO reporting that Sth Koreas death was a person who has been hospitalized for schizophrenia for 20 years. Very sad, i hope this virus is not widespread in that hospital

Graces7 · 20-02-2020 10:25AM

Snow Garden wrote: »

Drumpot suggested he was stockpiling specifically because of the threat of corona virus and when I asked him why, he denied it. I don't care if people want to stockpile supplies but corona should not be a reason to start. And scaring other people into stockpiling is stupid. The risk is way too small.

Similar to this post, it was and is the accusatory way you used the word and are still using it. No one here is scared and hey! If most of us stock up quietly now, then there will not be a mad rush if the situation goes bad later. We will all be ready for anything - and to help those who did not bother to make provision.

So what they call a win win I believe...

And corona is a very very valid reason to stock up. It has that potential. An unknown and volatile quantity

Define please the difference between making provision for emergency by getting stocks of essentials in and " stockpiling"? Thank you.

We always had a walk in pantry full of tinned supplies etc when I was a child. Just good housekeeping. As this is now.

Drumpot · 20-02-2020 10:30AM

SeaBreezes wrote: »

Ah yeah, and only 9 cases in the uk?
Even after the bus drivers convention? Really?
We have more suspected cases here but no direct flights to China.
How can London not have more cases?
Makes no sense.

Yeh, I think part of it is our understanding (or lack of) of how the virus is spread.

If we take it that it was maybe end of January (?) when serious measures were taking place it means that for maybe up to 8 weeks the virus was spreading with relatively little resistance. (Since we cannot trust chinese its not clear on all details of the measures to try and stop spread).

Imagine even one infected person going to any country outside of China at any stage between start of December and End of January. How many people would the average person interact with over a few weeks? And what if they are a person that travels to numerous countries (so are in airports regularly)?

If this virus can be asymptomatic for 2-3 weeks (?), up to 85% of those infected (but can spread it) and our measures of detecting the virus in a person appear to be variable across the world (false negatives), it is very difficult for a layman to accept its only spread as low as the figures we have gotten from every country. I am not suggesting some massive conspiracy BTW, more that there are just many many cases that go unreported for numerous reasons, some of which are that people dont even realise they are infected.

poppers · 20-02-2020 10:35AM

Maybee should be in conspiracy theory form

Drumpot · 20-02-2020 10:38AM

poppers wrote: »

Maybee should be in conspiracy theory form

WTF is that ? Very freaky coincidence ?! Is that actually a real book ?

poppers · 20-02-2020 10:41AM

Drumpot wrote: »

WTF is that ? Very freaky coincidence ?! Is that actually a real book ?

Dont know doing the rounds on whats app

Sigma101 · 20-02-2020 10:49AM

Hector Savage wrote: »

The Iranian cases, who are they ? are they chinese nationals ?

All five are/were Iranian nationals. The two dead patients were elderly men from different parts of Qom and have no travel history either abroad or within Iran. Clearly they contracted the disease from the general population within the country. Two more cases have tested positive in Qom and one, a doctor, in the city of Arak. There must be many more undiagnosed cases in the region.

Stark · 20-02-2020 10:49AM

Drumpot wrote:

WTF is that ? Very freaky coincidence ?! Is that actually a real book ?

You can download a PDF of the book and check for yourself.

https://epdf.pub/eyes-of-darkness82c283c4e6bf8cd84989f912b5df328b1232.html

Second screenshot, the "Wuhan-400" stuff is in there. The screenshot of "2020 pneumonia virus" doesn't appear to be in the book, guess that's the bit that they made up.

20-02-2020 10:52AM

Drumpot wrote: »

WTF is that ? Very freaky coincidence ?! Is that actually a real book ?

Yes its a real book. Written in 1981.

Edit: but the third picture is from a different picture.

s7ryf3925pivug · 20-02-2020 11:00AM

poppers wrote: »

Maybee should be in conspiracy theory form

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/10/coronavirus-journalist-missing-in-wuhan-as-anger-towards-chinese-authorities-grows

For anyone else who wasn't sure why the name 'Li Chen' was circled on the first page: Chen was the name of the whistleblowing doctor. Li was the name of a journalist reporting on the situation who disappeared.

s7ryf3925pivug · 20-02-2020 11:02AM

That's interesting. Apparently we're all figments of imagination in someone's bad dream.

20-02-2020 11:04AM

Searching twitter with hashtag #qom and I came across this. Supposedly this is one of the men who passed away yesterday but I’m unsure if it’s real due to the lack of protective clothing the man soothing him has on.

https://twitter.com/babaktaghvaee1/status/1230285743538528256?s=21

Yurt2 · 20-02-2020 11:06AM

The latest surge in cases in Korea was from a kooky doomsday cult church who refused to be tested initially.

s7ryf3925pivug · 20-02-2020 11:11AM

Yurt! wrote: »

The latest surge in cases in Korea was from a kooky doomsday cult church who refused to be tested initially.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/20/south-korean-city-daegu-lockdown-coronavirus-outbreak-cases-soar-at-church-cult-cluster

About half of the cases were down to one superspreader who worshipped there.

Interesting how dangerous a single superspreader can be if they don't behave responsibly.

skepticalme · 20-02-2020 11:12AM

Drumpot wrote: »

WTF is that ? Very freaky coincidence ?! Is that actually a real book ?

3rd page is from a different book 'End of days Predictions and Prophecies about the End of the World.

"AMERICAN author Sylvia Browne may have prophesied the outbreak of Covid-19 in a book published 12 years ago.

In her book End of Days: Predictions and Prophecies about the End of the World, which was co-written with Lindsay Harrison, Browne predicts the outbreak of a respiratory-related illness that will wreak havoc around the world.

“In around 2020 a severe pneumonia-like illness will spread throughout the globe, attacking the lungs and the bronchial tubes and resisting all known treatments,“ reads a passage from the book.

“Almost more baffling than the illness itself will be the fact that it will suddenly vanish as quickly as it arrived, attack again ten years later, and then disappear completely.”

Browne was a fixture on American talk shows, and claimed to be a medium with psychic abilities. She died in 2013."

Stark · 20-02-2020 11:16AM

To be fair, lots of people have been saying we're overdue for "the next Spanish flu" for years now. Her prophecy could just as equally apply to SARS or MERS or swine flu or whatever scary thing comes along in 2021 so getting the year right isn't really a big achievement.

laurah591 · 20-02-2020 11:17AM

Kaya Prehistoric Landlord wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/20/south-korean-city-daegu-lockdown-coronavirus-outbreak-cases-soar-at-church-cult-cluster

About half of the cases were down to one superspreader who worshipped there.

Interesting how dangerous a single superspreader can be if they don't behave responsibly.

Another interesting article drawing similarities between Singapore's and Sth Korea's church outbreaks https://www.ft.com/content/fd5fec40-538b-11ea-90ad-25e377c0ee1f

wakka12 · 20-02-2020 11:25AM

International mortality almost 1%

BanditLuke · 20-02-2020 11:25AM

SeaBreezes wrote: »

Ah yeah, and only 9 cases in the uk?
Even after the bus drivers convention? Really?
We have more suspected cases here but no direct flights to China.
How can London not have more cases?
Makes no sense.

Terrible to see so many die in Wuhan but i have to say this is a fascinating virus. It is bizarre to think it spread in Wuhan so easily and yet despite cases in Europe it's going nowhere. Someone mentioned last week about it possibly being transported in the water system in Wuhan which is interesting maye the same thing happened on the cruise ferry?

wakka12 · 20-02-2020 11:27AM

5 new cases in 5 different regions of Japan

laurah591 · 20-02-2020 11:33AM

wakka12 wrote: »

International mortality almost 1%

I hate commenting on estimated mortality rates, but i suspect that cases are significantly underreported especially where people are suffering mild symptoms. Realistically most people will not see a doctor with common cold type symptoms. As such Int mortality potentially significantly lower (in my opinion).

Also, I have seen very little reporting coming from America (now I haven't searched), however u would have thought that they would be experiencing more cases.

tara73 · 20-02-2020 11:42AM

poppers wrote: »

Maybee should be in conspiracy theory form

guys, this is freaking me out. what can we make of this? if this book is not a fake book written in the last month (and I googled it, seems to be real/from 1980) nobody can tell me this is all a coincidence and especially no conspiracy stuff anymore..:eek:

silverharp · 20-02-2020 11:44AM

The dog that hasn’t barked yet, no healthy Westerners, Africans etc have died yet?

new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

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