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new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,177 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    fritzelly wrote: »
    Why spout nonsense when you don't even know how they work
    Move over to the conspiracy forum - never thought you were this type Kermit

    I'll stay right here, thank you very much.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    15 new cases in S Korea
    More than twenty yesterday
    Almost double the number of cases in the country in 48 hours


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,778 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    wakka12 wrote: »
    15 new cases in S Korea
    More than twenty yesterday
    Almost double the number of cases in the country in 48 hours

    More to come


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭CinemaGuy45


    I'll stay right here, thank you very much.

    Just be careful there are rumours this thing can spread thought wifi the 2.4GH band I think you should be safe using 5GH if you set a strong password.;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,177 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Just be careful there are rumours this thing can spread thought wifi the 2.4GH band I think you should be safe using 5GH if you set a strong password.;)

    That's more plausible than the 'stats' overseen by the politburo ;)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,992 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    It is a virus, I don't know if it can be applied to this though because I don't know enough about it.

    You may be interested in this piece of research

    The old adage of feed a cold and starve a fever.
    now is feed a virus, starve a bacterium?

    https://directorsblog.nih.gov/2016/09/13/feed-a-virus-starve-a-bacterium/

    https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2016/09/glucose-inflammation/498965/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    fritzelly wrote: »
    More to come

    Yep 16 more added just now, a total of 31 added in the last hour and 51 over the last 24 hours. It is the most daily increases ever reported outside China. Country total 82 now, just behind Japan and Singapore with 84 each


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭CinemaGuy45


    That's more plausible than the 'stats' overseen by the politbureau ;)

    I am not into the conspiracy theories much myself either but one thing you said was we can not trust anything the Chinese government says.


    You can not trust anything any Government says if would be a wacky conspiracy to believe there is any honest Government out there.:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,778 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    wakka12 wrote: »
    Yep 16 more added just now. Country total 82 now, just behind Japan and Singapore with 84 each

    Over 50% increase in one day is not good news


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    fritzelly wrote: »
    Over 50% increase in one day is not good news

    I wonder if they are now at the stage Wuhan was at 6 weeks ago?

    Huge increase either way.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,778 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    BanditLuke wrote: »
    I wonder if they are now at the stage Wuhan was at 6 weeks ago?

    Huge increase either way.

    Who knows what Wuhan was like 6 weeks ago - they don't know


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,778 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    China's got this under control - all hail Xi

    https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1230311827889967105


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,211 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,778 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Sad news - Japanese couple in their 80's. Japan and WHO have a lot to answer for

    https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1230320994298073088


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,980 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    fritzelly wrote: »
    Sad news - Japanese couple in their 80's. Japan and WHO have a lot to answer for

    I'm out of the loop on this one. What exactly did the WHO do that caused Japan to leave these people on the ship?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,778 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    tuxy wrote: »
    I'm out of the loop on this one. What exactly did the WHO do that caused Japan to leave these people on the ship?

    To paraphrase they said it was best for them to stay on the ship - will try to find the video of the Irish doctor saying it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,778 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Here


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,980 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    fritzelly wrote: »
    To paraphrase they said it was best for them to stay on the ship - will try to find the video of the Irish doctor saying it

    I see, well lets wait and see if these two were some of the infected that were taken off the ship early and taken to hospital. Or maybe they were possibly uninfected and only contracted the virus as a result of being left on the ship.

    It really does look like most of the spread happened while docked after the first discovery of an infected person on board.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,778 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Important to study this event to see what issues led to the spreading sic
    I mean seriously


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,249 ✭✭✭ardinn


    So I posted a video yesterday of bodies lining the streets.

    Im wondering now, how many people die each day naturally.

    Worldwide, 150k people die every day

    7b people - 150k dead - so, china (1/7th of world population) = about 22k dead per day.

    so 22k per billion people.

    500m - 11k

    50m - 1.1k

    10m - Wuhan size - 220 people die every day.

    So - since Jan 25th - 5940 people on average would have died in wuhan anyway.

    It would explain a lot including why so many people are lining the streets dead. In some morbid fashion its actually making me feel better. with the lack of any real medical help for all other illnesses this figure would naturally increase also.

    I suppose I didnt think that the day to day deaths etc, in a place in nearly full lockdown, would eventually have a severe backlog of bodies piling up which makes it very hard to judge what your seeing regards dead coming out of wuhan.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,980 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    fritzelly wrote: »
    Important to study this event to see what issues led to the spreading sic
    I mean seriously

    I think it may be possible that there is an incredibly long incubation period and it did not spread much after quarantine started on the ship. But it is looking less likely everyday.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,211 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,980 ✭✭✭✭tuxy



    This is the video referenced in that article.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,778 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly



    The infected guy was on the ship from the 20/01 to 25/01
    The ship docked on the 4/02 in Japan
    They were hospitalised about a week later - so nearly 3 weeks after this guy left the ship
    A week later they are dead.

    Average incubation being 5/6 days it would look like they got infected while docked and quarantined


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,980 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    fritzelly wrote: »
    The infected guy was on the ship from the 20/01 to 25/01
    The ship docked on the 4/02 in Japan
    They were hospitalised about a week later
    A week later they are dead.

    So probably contracted it before the ship docked?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,778 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    tuxy wrote: »
    So probably contracted it before the ship docked?

    That would mean they are 2 weeks in incubation - and another week for symptoms to develop to the point of hospitalisation needed, don't know what condition there were in when hospitalised
    I'm sure there will be investigations done
    Doctor Ryan in that video was visibly uneasy answering the question about the ship - think he knows they fecked up


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,980 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    The first case on the Diamond princess was officially confirmed on the 5th then this man that died was diagnosed around the 11th(is that about right?) and moved to hospital and he died on the 19th?

    Doesn't seem like an unusually long incubation period or have I got the timeline completely wrong?


  • Posts: 5,079 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.riverineherald.com.au/world/2020/02/20/1045690/coronavirus-spreads-like-flu-not-sars

    Looking increasingly like it Spreads like Flu, not SARS:

    COVID-19 appears to inhabit both the upper and lower respiratory tracts.

    That would make it not only capable of causing severe pneumonia, but of spreading easily like flu or the common cold.

    Researchers in Guangdong province monitored the amount of coronavirus in the 18 patients.

    One of them, who had moderate levels of the virus in their nose and throat, never had any disease symptoms.

    Among the 17 symptomatic patients, the team found levels of the virus increased soon after symptoms first appeared, with higher amounts of virus present in the nose than in the throats, a pattern more similar to influenza than SARS.

    The level of virus in the asymptomatic patient was similar to what was present in patients with symptoms, such as fever.

    "What this says is clearly this virus can be shed out of the upper respiratory tract and that people are shedding it asymptomatically," Poland said.

    The findings add to evidence that this new virus, though genetically similar, is not behaving like SARS, said Kristian Andersen, an immunologist at Scripps Research in La Jolla who uses gene sequencing tools to track disease outbreaks.

    "This virus is clearly much more capable of spreading between humans than any other novel coronavirus we've ever seen. This is more akin to the spread of flu," said Andersen, who was not involved with the study.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,401 ✭✭✭Nonoperational


    cnocbui wrote: »
    https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3876197

    This virus just doesn't do good news.

    There is so much wrong with this article. From a medical point of view it is complete nonsense.
    I wonder will they consider using the natural super weapon that is available? They could use bacterial phages.

    It seems like an ideal testing ground against this.

    Sigh.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    https://mobile.twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1230317858166583297?s=19

    Mayor of Daegu, SK's 4th largest city, declares 'unprecedented crisis' as schools close, and people are advised not to leave their homes. 22 further cases now which makes it the highest number outside China at 104

    South Korea also announced its first death from coronavirus


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