What have we come to

omega man wrote: »

My point was I couldn’t do that in 2003 so things aren’t too different as the post I replied to seemed to suggest this generation are commuting longer etc.
You’re right about an expectation to an extent but a lot depends on where in Dublin you feel this home should be.

Odds are that you could have rented it for a far more reasonable price than you'd be asked for now, though.

Bowie wrote: »

Yet these tenants are still housed. They will be housed. It's do you want hotels and leases for them or builds. That's the only debate.

Don’t think so dude, small matter of payment enters the equation, I would suggest.

Of course there are some who feel that payment for anything is not relevant.

Would t it be great if we all had to pay for nothing- all free.

Hmmm

Bowie wrote: »

Doesn't. Not one bit.
These arrears are irrelevant.
Hopefully a new government will tackle them but the people will be housed.

Glad you think 31m rent arrears is irrelevant, a chara.

Bowie wrote: »

Maybe 3 if FG are involved.

Does our expensive public service not get any blame for the blatant waste of money

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

This is what FG's housing policy has led to. Sh!t like this is exactly why young people are so pissed off.

https://www.thejournal.ie/co-living-rathmines-dublin-planning-permission-5013833-Feb2020/

The woman I mentioned earlier in this thread who was evicted from her €1,200 per month apartment in Dun Laoghaire and is now having to pay almost €1,600 per month for a smaller apartment in the same area is one of the people who was utterly depressed when Bartra secured permission for their "co-living" tenement in Dun Laoghaire where they planned to charge, I believe, €1,400 per month for a studio without a kitchen. Remember a few posts back I mentioned how people were utterly sick of the "Ireland is doing better now than it was ten years ago" FG apologists? This is specifically why, if you ask me. Being asked to downgrade from a proper apartment to a bedroom with no kitchen facilities and pay more per month than you had been up until a couple of years ago is the very definition of stagflation (or "shrinkflation" as they often call it in the grocery business) and FG's government gave sickening speeches and statements championing these sh!tholes as "the boutique hotels of the future".
How anyone can blame young people for their wholesale rejection of this is beyond me.

I couldn't afford to live in Dun Laoghaire. But I did work hard - save - get a mortgage and buy a house in a much less upmarket area. And I know young couples who are doing that today.

Bowie wrote: »

Maybe 3 if FG are involved.

FG got the boot buddy.

They're gone, finished , the electorate spoke.

It wants houses now with hands over ears.

FG can't provide this so it's over to SF.

FG are finished, no point looking to them for solutions.

Eoghan Murphy the bogey man's days are over.

Time for Eoin ó Broin to sort this crisis out.

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

But again you’re missing the point - young people could afford to live in these places for most of the last ten years, and they’re now being asked to leave the areas they’ve made their homes in because rents are increasing so much faster than wages. And they’re being asked to significantly downgrade their housing expectations no matter where they have to move to, away from whatever social support network or community they’ve spent the last decade building - and all because he cost of living, and specifically the cost of housing, is rapidly increasing faster than take home pay and thus literally pricing young people out of their homes.

This isn’t just about people trying to move to an area, this is about renters being forced to leave the areas they’ve spent the last decade considering their home towns because they’re being priced out of it by rent increases, or by seeing their rent increase by several hundred euro in one go just because they have to move across the street. That is something people simply aren’t going to accept - particularly when the general idea is that once you move from college to a proper career, you should be able to afford a better quality of life, not have to keep downgrading as your wage stagnates over five or six years but everything you love becomes more and more expensive.

This is unacceptable and unsustainable, and this is what young people are furious with FG for ignoring and allowing to fester.

FG are gone.

Time for SF to sort this out

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Agreed. I’m merely trying to explain why young people have surged to SF and other left parties in numbers which seem to have astonished so many people here and elsewhere. It’s a very simple answer: stagflation particularly with regard to housing, and a previous government which appeared to actively not give a bollocks.

You're not cheerleading SF anymore for an election as its over.

The people spoke.

We all know why SF got the surge.

Why don't you discuss what's next after FG have been given the boot.

We need solutions now.

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

FG got the boot buddy.

They're gone, finished , the electorate spoke.

It wants houses now with hands over ears.

FG can't provide this so it's over to SF.

FG are finished, no point looking to them for solutions.

Eoghan Murphy the bogey man's days are over.

Time for Eoin ó Broin to sort this crisis out.

Erm maths anyone?
What percentage of seats do FG have compared to SF?
SF are just as finished.

JamesM wrote: »

I could NOT have afforded to live in Dun Laoghaire, Blackrock, Dalkey or anywhere like that 40 years ago when I bought. I remember lads who grew up in Dalkey giving out that they could not buy where they grew up. It's always been like that. Couples bought in poorer areas and barely had a bed and maybe a cooker and a kitchen table and chairs - these were people who came from, what you would call posh families. As the years went on, they saved and maybe moved to a larger house in a 'better' area. No one felt entitled to the good life.

Again, you're missing the point. People I know could afford to live here in the earlier half of this decade, and a gigantic proportion of them got evicted at some point for renovations or because the landlord needed the flat for a relative, etc - and found that new leases cost orders of magnitude more than the ones they were leaving. So they either had to downgrade substantially, leave town, or in many cases move back home. The point is that when they could afford "the good life" on part time college wages during a recession, but were then told "sorry, you can't afford it anymore" on full time career salaries, and given the boot from where they had been living, that is just not something people are going to accept.

It would be different if, as you say, people in this generation could never afford to live in these parts of Dublin, but the fact that they could in their early twenties and are now priced out in their late twenties as the same gaffs they used to live in are now on Daft for anywhere between €1,000 and €1,500 more per month than they were in the earlier half of the decade, while even in the transition from part time college jobs to full time careers people aren't earning anywhere close to that much more to be able to keep pace with inflation, means that essentially "the good life" was dangled in front of them during a time when prices were low, and they're understandably furious that it's been snatched out of reach (as others have put it, 'the ladder has been pulled up') and nobody in power was willing to do anything about it. Being told to move from the town you've been living in on your own because some greedy f*ckers want to massively increase the cost of living in that area isn't going to do anything other than cause anger and resentment towards those greedy f*ckers - and, crucially, the politicians who are seen as being "on their side".

Do you accept that the stagflation issue has caused people who formerly had a very good quality of life to have to settle for less? That somebody who could afford an apartment to rent back in 2012 or 2013 on a part time salary might seriously struggle to do so today without moving miles from home, even on a full time salary?

Call it "that's life" or "tough" or whatever, but people simply won't accept it. And they will crucify any politician who is seen to take the "it's ok with us, learn to live with it" attitude as opposed to the "it's not ok and we're going to try to change it" attitude espoused by the left.