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new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

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  • #7172
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    dublin99 wrote: »
    Not sure how accurate this is, but it looks like the Coronavirus is racist!

    https://www.eturbonews.com/542533/coronavirus-risk-for-asians-africans-caucasians-revealed/

    If the report is true, Irish /Caucasians are low risk :-)

    So, two Iranians have died today from coronavirus apparently, who I presume are caucasian. guess that puts to bed the thing about non asians not being affected by it
    They were both elderly with underlying immune system related illness, but so have most of the deaths been in China also.
    https://www.reddit.com/r/China_Flu/comments/f6ctsr/two_iranians_have_died_in_hospital_after_testing/

    It is seriously making me wonder how widespread this already is worldwide if 4 of the eight international deaths were not even known to have coronavirus until after they died


  • #7173
    siobhan2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38 ✭siobhan2005


    BlackEdelweiss wrote: »
    I posted this in the diabetes forum but just found this place and thought I would see what the thinking on here is.


    My 19 year old son is a Type 1 diabetic, he recently got the flu while in Paris and had a bad DKA incident which left him in ICU for 5 days and took him a few weeks to get over it all.

    Him and his New Zealand girlfriend are planning on going back to NZ in May. The problem is that due to the corna virus, flights on Chinese Airlines are at rock bottom price for long haul flights. They want to book a ticket from Dublin to Taiwan to Auckland.

    Given his diabetes I am quite worried about this virus anyway but I think he is putting himself in harms way by flying this route with a Chinese Airline. For the sake of a few hundred euros he could fly with another carrier to the middle east or USA routes.

    I do a lot of risk assessments for work, my analysis is as follows: Liklihood of catching the corona virus from a Chinese Airlines plane or while in Taiwan airport = low (but probably higher than with another carrier and route). Severity of catching the virus as a Type 1 diabetic with an already weakened immune system = high. Risk rating = Medium.

    For a medium risk level I would review my current proposal and additional control measures or identify and remove elements that are considered as posing the greatest risk. We cant remove the diabetes so the only changeable factor is the travel route.

    Am I getting caught up in the mass hysteria surrounding the virus or would this be considered an unacceptable level of risk for a type 1 diabetic to take. It is getting to the point now where we are arguing about it and this is not how we want them leaving.

    I'm not sure about the risk of flying through Taiwan. I'm a type 1 myself, and I'd probably avoid it to be honest but I'm scared of everything lol. If it's a couple hundred euro difference, you could offer to pay the difference in price if you had it, not sure if it's right but that's prob what I'd do.


  • #7174
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,111 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    wadacrack wrote: »
    It has legitimate studies links, but their too little cases in Europe, Africa and America to draw a significant conclusion from it

    Fixed your post there - anyone can post a study up, means nothing
    There was a Chinese doc had one up looking for near death participants to be tested with some ridiculous drug (cannot remember which drug)

    edit
    Found it - dosing with Vitamin C, must be diagnosed as serious or critical


  • #7175
    skimpydoo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,074 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    fritzelly wrote: »
    This is interesting reading - if true it opens up a whole load more questions

    https://www.bbc.com/zhongwen/simp/chinese-news-51540821

    If you can read Mandarin.


  • #7176
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,111 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    skimpydoo wrote: »
    If you can read Mandarin.

    Isn't everyone learning it now?
    Already posted a translation here
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=112583631&postcount=7059


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  • #7177
    Snow Garden
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Snow Garden


    Drumpot wrote: »
    Where did I say people (or even I was) should stockpile food and medical supplies? Please quote exactly where I said that or correct yourself.
    I have decided to take some small steps to mitigate this
    I am not building a bunker in my back garden, but have thrown a few euros at a few things in case there is a bit of panic.
    Hopefully , by being prepared more, I will be able to inform others and not be a part of the panic that will ensue if it starts creating serious problems on our healthcare system.
    Is that me panicking or just taking some measures that in the highly unlikely chance of a fire in my house I have some safety nets to help reduce the impact?

    Go on then, what are your safety measures for the corona virus?


  • #7178
    Zenify
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 864 ✭✭✭Zenify


    Hopefully this isn't behind a paywall

    Coronavirus: should we panic? - https://www.ft.com/video/31c2af5f-3296-4416-9a74-8d27f94410cd


  • #7179
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    https://www.reddit.com/r/China_Flu/comments/f6desp/a_case_on_diamond_princess_confirmed_positive_in/
    A passenger aboard the Diamond Princess ordered a re-testing after testing negative. He then tested positive. He ordered it because his parents both tested positive and he knew he must have contracted it also. He was about to board a flight to Hong `Kong , I assume he would have been flying with only people who had also tested negative, and a separate flight for those who are positive.


  • #7180
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    Chinese CDC express concern over rebound epidemic once citizens return to work and school.
    https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-illness-symptoms-peak-decline-china-2020-2?utm_source=reddit.com&r=US&IR=T
    But the Chinese CDC expressed concern about what could happen after the quarantines end. The authors warned that a spike in cases could be imminent once Chinese residents return to school and work.

    "Although the epidemic appears to be in decline in the lead up to February 11, 2020, we may yet face more challenges," the researchers wrote. "We need to prepare for a possible rebound of the COVID-19 epidemic in the coming weeks and months."


  • #7181
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-iran/two-iranians-die-after-testing-positive-for-coronavirus-official-idUSKBN20D1HN?il=0&utm_source=reddit.com

    Reputable source confirms the death of two coronavirus patients in Iran.


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  • #7182
    tara73
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,358 ✭✭✭tara73


    BlackEdelweiss wrote: »
    I posted this in the diabetes forum but just found this place and thought I would see what the thinking on here is.


    My 19 year old son is a Type 1 diabetic, he recently got the flu while in Paris and had a bad DKA incident which left him in ICU for 5 days and took him a few weeks to get over it all.

    Him and his New Zealand girlfriend are planning on going back to NZ in May. The problem is that due to the corna virus, flights on Chinese Airlines are at rock bottom price for long haul flights. They want to book a ticket from Dublin to Taiwan to Auckland.

    Given his diabetes I am quite worried about this virus anyway but I think he is putting himself in harms way by flying this route with a Chinese Airline. For the sake of a few hundred euros he could fly with another carrier to the middle east or USA routes.

    I do a lot of risk assessments for work, my analysis is as follows: Liklihood of catching the corona virus from a Chinese Airlines plane or while in Taiwan airport = low (but probably higher than with another carrier and route). Severity of catching the virus as a Type 1 diabetic with an already weakened immune system = high. Risk rating = Medium.

    For a medium risk level I would review my current proposal and additional control measures or identify and remove elements that are considered as posing the greatest risk. We cant remove the diabetes so the only changeable factor is the travel route.

    Am I getting caught up in the mass hysteria surrounding the virus or would this be considered an unacceptable level of risk for a type 1 diabetic to take. It is getting to the point now where we are arguing about it and this is not how we want them leaving.


    I think your concerns are very valid. one reason I don't like flying is I'm highly suspicious about aircontioned air. Very often I feel kind of sickly after flights or in general feel bad because of this 'artificial' air.
    And nobody really knows how good an airline is maintaining/cleaning their aircondition system.
    With a virus as highly infectious as this one, I would definetely not fly with a chinese airline at the moment. (please, no racist brigade comments..:rolleyes:)
    What are a few hundred €'s against potentially loosing your life...?


  • #7183
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,111 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    wakka12 wrote: »
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-iran/two-iranians-die-after-testing-positive-for-coronavirus-official-idUSKBN20D1HN?il=0&utm_source=reddit.com

    Reputable source confirms the death of two coronavirus patients in Iran.

    They were only diagnosed earlier today! Any reports on their condition prior to the testing? They must have been in critical state to start with - one would hope anyway and this didn't go from a cough to death in a day


  • #7184
    laurah591
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 326 ✭✭laurah591


    fritzelly wrote: »
    They were only diagnosed earlier today! Any reports on their condition prior to the testing? They must have been in critical state to start with - one would hope anyway and this didn't go from a cough to death in a day

    The reddit link posted earlier suggested both were elderly with underlying conditions, but is it not strange that they both passed away today considering this illness is not widespread in Iran. Again, I may be missing something here


  • #7185
    dublin99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 226 ✭✭dublin99


    siobhan2005 wrote: »
    I'm not sure about the risk of flying through Taiwan. I'm a type 1 myself, and I'd probably avoid it to be honest but I'm scared of everything lol. If it's a couple hundred euro difference, you could offer to pay the difference in price if you had it, not sure if it's right but that's prob what I'd do.

    I wouldn't book now for May. A lot of Airlines are cutting long haul service to/from Asia as demand declines although they are taking reservations. You may be re-routed or put on alternative flights with inconvenient/extended connections.

    Taipei Airport is ok. Be extra vigilant with hand washing and bathrooms. I was last there in January. Taiwan has banned Mainland Chinese visitors or anyone who has been in China in the 14 days prior to arriving in Taiwan. There are relatively few Mainlanders if they do not lift this restriction.

    When you say Chinese Airlines, please bear in mind Air China, China Eastern are Mainland Chinese Airlines. China Airlines, Eva Air are Taiwanese (much better standards). If possible the preferred choice would be a Taiwanese Airlines code share eg codeshare with Air NZ with aircraft operated by Air NZ.


  • #7186
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,111 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    laurah591 wrote: »
    The reddit link posted earlier suggested both were elderly with underlying conditions, but is it not strange that they both passed away today considering this illness is not widespread in Iran. Again, I may be missing something here

    That's the other thing - 3 dead there now - and official figures say 2+ infected
    Hmmm...


  • #7187
    Call Me Jimmy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,449 ✭✭✭Call Me Jimmy


    Deleted User wrote: »
    What I found interesting in that rte q&a was this quote:

    "It's possible we will get a small number of cases, but if we believe the figures it looks like the Chinese authorities have done a good job containing the virus," he said.

    "If we believe the figures". Interesting wording. I understand of course that the figures can change with retrospect after the event. Not to mention errors can be made and so on but to use the words 'if' and 'believe' suggests (to me) that maybe this expert doesn't believe the Chinese and if he doesn't believe it then does that undermine him saying we'll only get "a small number of cases".

    I don't know, the wording just stood out to me. If he'd said "if the figures are correct" it wouldn't have.

    There is some weirdness afoot in the media. It goes against their interest to play it down yet they do, why? For the first time in history they take the position of assuming the absolute best and hardly report on it?

    Even the situation in China where hundreds of millions of people are in quarantine is a huge story and has massive humanitarian and economic consequences none of which seem to interest them. The biggest medical experiment in history? Other countries such as Russia (with a good relationship with China) have a blanket ban on chinese people visiting?

    And can the WHO please publicly demand to go the epicenter. What credibility can an investigation have if you don't visit the crime scene? I understand the politics of it, and people may argue that it's better they get on the ground in... beijing or wherever so they can have an impact but if they are accepting direction from the Chinese government on something so fundamental, I don't know how they can make any worthwhile conclusions.

    Actually has there been detail on what exactly they are inspecting?


  • #7188
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,614 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Call Me Jimmy wrote: »
    There is some weirdness afoot in the media. It goes against their interest to play it down yet they do, why? For the first time in history they take the position of assuming the absolute best and hardly report on it?

    Even the situation in China where hundreds million of people are in quarantine is a huge story and has massive humanitarian and economic consequences none of which seem to interest them. The biggest medical experiment in history? Other countries such as Russia (with a good relationship with China) have a blanket ban on chinese people visiting?

    I don't know why people keep saying that the MSM isn't reporting on it. When the outbreak first became known it was front page news for ages, with multiple stories about it daily, updates about the number of cases, rumors about possible cases in other countries etc. Now its weeks later and it isnt widespread around the whole world so the news cycle has moved on. That's just how it works with everything, I dont think its evidence of some sinister cover up. Dont worry if loads more cases become known in countries like the UK and US then they will be straight back onto the fear mongering articles.

    I have to say, when the ebola scare happened several years ago, I bought right into the panic. I've learned my lesson this time. Keep yourself informed by all means, prepare if you feel the need but be cautiously optimistic about how it will turn out.


  • #7189
    BloodBath
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,299 ✭✭✭✭BloodBath


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    I don't know why people keep saying that the MSM isn't reporting on it. When the outbreak first became known it was front page news for ages, with multiple stories about it daily, updates about the number of cases, rumors about possible cases in other countries etc. Now its weeks later and it isnt widespread around the whole world so the news cycle has moved on. That's just how it works with everything, I dont think its evidence of some sinister cover up. Dont worry if loads more cases become known in countries like the UK and US then they will be straight back onto the fear mongering articles.

    I have to say, when the ebola scare happened several years ago, I bought right into the panic. I've learned my lesson this time. Keep yourself informed by all means, prepare if you feel the need but be cautiously optimistic about how it will turn out.

    Exactly and as we get more information and more accurate statistics it is becoming clear that it is not much deadlier or infectious than the seasonal flu.


  • #7190
    fr336
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,179 ✭✭✭✭fr336


    A balanced approach is always best. It's good to not unnecessarily panic, but likewise being too laid back isn't a recipe for success really is it. And you can bet the people moaning about "scaremongering" would be the first in line to complain about lack of preparedness if worst came to worst.


  • #7191
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    Call Me Jimmy wrote: »
    There is some weirdness afoot in the media. It goes against their interest to play it down yet they do, why? For the first time in history they take the position of assuming the absolute best and hardly report on it?

    Even the situation in China where hundreds of millions of people are in quarantine is a huge story and has massive humanitarian and economic consequences none of which seem to interest them. The biggest medical experiment in history? Other countries such as Russia (with a good relationship with China) have a blanket ban on chinese people visiting?

    And can the WHO please publicly demand to go the epicenter. What credibility can an investigation have if you don't visit the crime scene? I understand the politics of it, and people may argue that it's better they get on the ground in... beijing or wherever so they can have an impact but if they are accepting direction from the Chinese government on something so fundamental, I don't know how they can make any worthwhile conclusions.

    Actually has there been detail on what exactly they are inspecting?

    I’d think a global conspiracy like that impossible to manage and highly unlikely. This reminds me of sep 11 and the “government did it “ theory’s. In the end it looked like it was primarily down to mismanagement, inadequate security, poor communication between authorities and poor planning. This is exactly how I would interpret what is going on if indeed things do get progressively worse. Usually the most boring and obvious reason is the reason...

    I think it’s more of a case that nobody really knows exactly what’s going to happen and nobody has all the facts. The media, despite being video nasty enthusiasts, do actually believe that to encourage fear with such a realistic threat (that they themselves don’t understand) is not wise. Asides from the virus The actual cost to the global economy is not clear. Most papers and media outlets are privately owned, none of the owners of these establishments wants global panic cause it hits them in the pocket eventually. Small bit of anarchy/panic is ok to generate interest but I’m not sure it would pay to be OTT scaremongering on this.


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  • #7192
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    Snow Garden wrote: »
    Go on then, what are your safety measures for the corona virus?

    You made a very big assumption and jumped to a conclusion you cannot now confirm..

    You said I am stock piling things, either qualify what you said or apologize and take it back.


  • #7193
    Blud
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 424 ✭✭Blud


    Call Me Jimmy wrote: »
    There is some weirdness afoot in the media. It goes against their interest to play it down yet they do, why? For the first time in history they take the position of assuming the absolute best and hardly report on it?

    Even the situation in China where hundreds of millions of people are in quarantine is a huge story and has massive humanitarian and economic consequences none of which seem to interest them. The biggest medical experiment in history? Other countries such as Russia (with a good relationship with China) have a blanket ban on chinese people visiting?

    And can the WHO please publicly demand to go the epicenter. What credibility can an investigation have if you don't visit the crime scene? I understand the politics of it, and people may argue that it's better they get on the ground in... beijing or wherever so they can have an impact but if they are accepting direction from the Chinese government on something so fundamental, I don't know how they can make any worthwhile conclusions.

    Actually has there been detail on what exactly they are inspecting?

    Hundreds of millions in quarantine in China? Really?


  • #7194
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    BloodBath wrote: »
    Exactly and as we get more information and more accurate statistics it is becoming clear that it is not much deadlier or infectious than the seasonal flu.

    Ncov has killed significantly more people in the last 5 weeks in Wuhan than youd expect from seasonal flu in that size city and that timeframe so no, it is definitely more dangerous than flu


  • #7195
    Call Me Jimmy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,449 ✭✭✭Call Me Jimmy


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    I don't know why people keep saying that the MSM isn't reporting on it. When the outbreak first became known it was front page news for ages, with multiple stories about it daily, updates about the number of cases, rumors about possible cases in other countries etc. Now its weeks later and it isnt widespread around the whole world so the news cycle has moved on. That's just how it works with everything, I dont think its evidence of some sinister cover up. Dont worry if loads more cases become known in countries like the UK and US then they will be straight back onto the fear mongering articles.

    I have to say, when the ebola scare happened several years ago, I bought right into the panic. I've learned my lesson this time. Keep yourself informed by all means, prepare if you feel the need but be cautiously optimistic about how it will turn out.

    Aye that's not the impression I've gotten (in terms of coverage on TV), I don't buy newspapers so take your word for it. During the height of the official numbers rising I rarely saw it as a main piece on online news sites. Maybe I'm reading too much into it :P


  • #7196
    Sigma101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,362 ✭✭✭Sigma101


    fritzelly wrote: »
    They were only diagnosed earlier today! Any reports on their condition prior to the testing? They must have been in critical state to start with - one would hope anyway and this didn't go from a cough to death in a day

    The two victims were from different parts of Qom and had no travel history – Iran was officially disease free this morning. Going by the numbers elsewhere Iran must have a hundred unconfirmed cases already.


  • #7197
    laurah591
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 326 ✭✭laurah591


    Sigma101 wrote: »
    The two victims were from different parts of Qom and had no travel history – Iran was officially disease free this morning. Going by the numbers elsewhere Iran must have a hundred unconfirmed cases already.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/world-middle-east-51563039

    Looks like 25 suspected cases in same hospital.... I wonder how many health care workers were infected caring for the 2 deceased patients


  • #7198
    Snow Garden
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Snow Garden


    Drumpot wrote: »
    You made a very big assumption and jumped to a conclusion you cannot now confirm..

    You said I am stock piling things, either qualify what you said or apologize and take it back.

    Pathetic, at least own what you are suggesting or stop waffling about being prepared.
    I have decided to take some small steps to mitigate this
    I am not building a bunker in my back garden, but have thrown a few euros at a few things in case there is a bit of panic.
    Hopefully , by being prepared more, I will be able to inform others and not be a part of the panic that will ensue if it starts creating serious problems on our healthcare system.
    Is that me panicking or just taking some measures that in the highly unlikely chance of a fire in my house I have some safety nets to help reduce the impact?

    What is above if not stockpiling?


  • #7199
    4068ac1elhodqr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    Over 620 via the cruise/plauge ship.

    The funny thing is that for the ones getting off it now (1:7 infection rate), the press and media were up in the faces with cameras, microphones and dictaphones.
    The majority of the press weren't even wearing masks, nor gloves.

    You'd think they out of everyone journalists would be aware of the risk by now.
    Anyway am sure they'll all be fine, as they head back to their TV vans, coffee shops, and edit studios, after those up close and personal interviews.


  • #7200
    Graces7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    Snow Garden wrote: »
    Pathetic, at least own what you are suggesting or stop waffling about being prepared.









    What is above if not stockpiling?

    May I please ask what is wrong with stockpiling? Am I missing something? Is it a crime? Thank you' see my next post …


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  • #7201
    Graces7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    charlietheminxx wrote: »
    First of all, even if we had a small outbreak here - which is certainly possible or even likely at this stage - some people have existing medical conditions which mean they are higher risk and may need to avoid hitting busy places like supermarkets or pharmacies where there may be sick people.

    We had a few days of snow less than 2 years ago which resulted in supermarket stock depletion and people being stuck for essentials for a few days. Where is the harm in people buying an extra inhaler or paracetamol or insulin or freezing a loaf of bread just in case?

    So much in life is outside our control that taking small measures of personal preparation makes some people feel better about such situations, what exactly is wrong with that?

    Excellent post. Thank you. And you are right. As I have posted before on this, as I am housebound and live in a very remote place, I keep good stocks of all essentials in; food, catfood, OTC meds etc and my prescription meds. If - or when - a bad storm comes, it would be sheerly irresponsible and stooopid of me to run out of food etc when the ferries cannot sail, so I take care not to. I keep enough in for at least a month. Rather then be a burden on anyone .

    Why is this seen as such a sin by some? What is wrong with stockpiling ? If we do not get an outbreak, what harm done? Tins and dry goods will get eaten, frozen bread will defrost.

    This is not panicking. just taking sensible measures.


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