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new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

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  • #7142
    saabsaab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,052 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Saw a headline today stating that the two flown back from the cruise ship here were 'not screened'. I know that they are supposed to be in 'self quarantine' but that seems mad.


  • #7143
    givyjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,286 ✭✭✭givyjoe


    tuxy wrote: »
    Source?

    Oh for gods sake. From now on I'm going to demand a source for every single post of yours :rolleyes:.

    TV news, ITV for the airborne piece (hang on til i trawl through my TV recordings of the last 2 weeks broadcasts to find which one of these reported it).. as for the asymptomatic patient, there's multiple sources if you google it. I am not the one writing these reports or TV pieces for Christ Sake!

    Again, seen as you keep missing the point I made.. no evidence anywhere to back up a ludicrous claim that it isn't easily transmissible, when the situation on the ground clearly contradicts this.

    Please provide us with a source, quoting scientific research that confirms this is NOT easily transmissible. I look forward to it.


  • #7144
    4068ac1elhodqr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,577 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    Aerosols can also behave differently to droplets, depending on atmospheric conditions.

    A hot fart in a cold room, with air-con moving cold air into ground level (cold air sinks) and the said flatulance will may 'linger' about longer savourly - at head height.
    (best not to visualise such).

    A hot breath on a winter's night will rise upwards, not fall like a cooler heavier, faster-velocity sneeze droplet.

    Anwyay, the big ship may be using low quality air filters and very high volume of circulation.


  • #7145
    Fr_Dougal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,166 ✭✭✭Fr_Dougal


    Nijmegen wrote: »
    Oh here we are back at "Ahh is it really serious." Government agencies have a job to preserve public order, which allows them to more effectively deal with the problem. So look at what they do rather than simply listening to their soothing words.

    There's nothing to worry about, but:
    • We've cut out 90% of international air travel capacity to China
    • 10% of the worlds population is on lockdown
    • They're spraying the streets with disinfectant
    • Many countries have banned travel, rather than simply advised against it
    • Citizens are being flown to the likes of military bases for quarantine when evacuated
    • Factories and businesses have been so affected that production lines are shutting down and companies are warning of shortages for all sorts
    • The public aspect of the Tokyo marathon, in a country with relatively few cases, has been cancelled and less than 1% of participants will now run

    Like, sit back and say "It'll all be grand yeah", but maybe let people who think they might be wise to buy in a few provisions away with themselves just in case. The actions of government officials are not actions of people sitting in their offices saying "This? This is nothing."

    Would you expect anything else from the HSE?

    Zero accountability, they don’t give a toss.


  • #7146
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,980 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    givyjoe wrote: »
    Oh for gods sake. From now on I'm going to demand a source for every single post of yours :rolleyes:.

    TV news, ITV for the airborne piece (hang on til i trawl through my TV recordings of the last 2 weeks broadcasts to find which one of these reported it).. as for the asymptomatic patient, there's multiple sources if you google it. I am not the one writing these reports or TV pieces for Christ Sake!

    Again, seen as you keep missing the point I made.. no evidence anywhere to back up a ludicrous claim that it isn't easily transmissible, when the situation on the ground clearly contradicts this.

    Please provide us with a source, quoting scientific research that confirms this is NOT easily transmissible. I look forward to it.

    Ok fair enough so not confirmed officially to be airborne yet.
    If you have other confirms about how it is transmitter that is understandable just don't say something is confirmed when it has not been. I don't need sources for everything it would just be nice to have them for things that deviate from official information, I'm aware official info is not always correct but there is also lots of inaccurate unofficial info. That's why I find having a source for it to be beneficial

    https://www.nottinghampost.com/news/uk-world-news/coronavirus-airborne-what-symptoms-cure-3855267
    “For the new coronavirus, we still need to see the data and understand how transmission has been assessed.”

    You can see why posts such as this can be considered inaccurate and scaremongering.
    givyjoe wrote: »
    It's been previously confirmed to be airborne,


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  • #7147
    givyjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,286 ✭✭✭givyjoe


    tuxy wrote: »
    Ok fair enough so not confirmed officially to be airborne yet.
    If you have other confirms about how it is transmitter that is understandable just don't say something is confirmed when it has not been.

    https://www.nottinghampost.com/news/uk-world-news/coronavirus-airborne-what-symptoms-cure-3855267


    You can see why posts such as this can be considered inaccurate and scaremongering.

    No, I can't. Perhaps you're just very very easily scared. Interesting you quoted an earlier post, which i then clearly stated as being incorrect. Genuinely not sure what your game is. Continue to stick your head in the sand/misconstrue what people have said all you wish, but do me a favour and put my posts on ignore. I have foolishly engaged with you in good faith, I wont bother any more. I've asked you three times to answer a fairly simply question, and you either can't or won't.

    Lastly, don't tell me what to post.


  • #7148
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,980 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    givyjoe wrote: »
    No, I can't. Perhaps you're just very very easily scared. Interesting you quoted an earlier post, which i then clearly stated as being incorrect. Genuinely not sure what your game is. Continue to stick your head in the sand/misconstrue what people have said all you wish, but do me a favour and put my posts on ignore. I have foolishly engaged with you in good faith, I wont bother any more. I've asked you three times to answer a fairly simply question, and you either can't or won't.

    Lastly, don't tell me what to post.

    The inaccurate post is still there and has yet to be amended.
    I just don't understand the compulsion to even make such claims.


  • #7149
    givyjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,286 ✭✭✭givyjoe


    tuxy wrote: »
    The inaccurate post is still there and has yet to be amended.

    :eek: And?! Why on earth would/should I bother changing it, considering the post that followed?! This is boards, not a peer reviewed scientific journal. Bizarre stuff.
    For the love of god, stop wholesale changing your posts after the fact. Seriously poor form.

    There is no compulsion to do anything. What is with your bizarre compulsion/posting style?


  • #7150
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,980 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    givyjoe wrote: »
    :eek: And?! Why on earth would/should I bother changing it, considering the post that followed?! This is boards, not a peer reviewed scientific journal. Bizarre stuff.
    For the love of god, stop wholesale changing your posts after the fact. Seriously poor form.

    There is no compulsion to do anything. What is with your bizarre compulsion/posting style?
    givyjoe wrote: »
    Lastly, don't tell me what to post.
    :mad::mad::mad:

    .


  • #7151
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,770 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    https://www.reddit.com/r/corovirusdata/comments/f5w2r6/bbc_china_wrote_an_article_stating_china_has/
    At a press conference held in Shanghai, health and epidemic prevention experts confirmed that in addition to direct transmission and contact transmission, the transmission route of new crown pneumonia also includes "aerosol transmission".

    Aerosol is a colloidal dispersion system formed by solid or liquid small particles dispersed and suspended in a gaseous medium. In simple terms, aerosols are small liquid or solid particles that are stably dispersed and suspended in the air and cannot be seen by the naked eye.

    The so-called "aerosol transmission" means that the droplets are mixed in the air to form an "aerosol", which causes infection after inhalation.
    https://translate.google.com/translate?depth=2&nv=1&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&sp=nmt4&tl=en&u=https://www.bbc.com/zhongwen/simp/amp/world-51427216%3F__twitter_impression%3Dtrue&xid=17259,15700022,15700043,15700186,15700191,15700259,15700271,15700302

    Why would anyone doubt it's airborne?


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  • #7152
    BlackEdelweiss
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,563 ✭✭✭BlackEdelweiss


    I posted this in the diabetes forum but just found this place and thought I would see what the thinking on here is.


    My 19 year old son is a Type 1 diabetic, he recently got the flu while in Paris and had a bad DKA incident which left him in ICU for 5 days and took him a few weeks to get over it all.

    Him and his New Zealand girlfriend are planning on going back to NZ in May. The problem is that due to the corna virus, flights on Chinese Airlines are at rock bottom price for long haul flights. They want to book a ticket from Dublin to Taiwan to Auckland.

    Given his diabetes I am quite worried about this virus anyway but I think he is putting himself in harms way by flying this route with a Chinese Airline. For the sake of a few hundred euros he could fly with another carrier to the middle east or USA routes.

    I do a lot of risk assessments for work, my analysis is as follows: Liklihood of catching the corona virus from a Chinese Airlines plane or while in Taiwan airport = low (but probably higher than with another carrier and route). Severity of catching the virus as a Type 1 diabetic with an already weakened immune system = high. Risk rating = Medium.

    For a medium risk level I would review my current proposal and additional control measures or identify and remove elements that are considered as posing the greatest risk. We cant remove the diabetes so the only changeable factor is the travel route.

    Am I getting caught up in the mass hysteria surrounding the virus or would this be considered an unacceptable level of risk for a type 1 diabetic to take. It is getting to the point now where we are arguing about it and this is not how we want them leaving.


  • #7153
    Call Me Jimmy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,449 ✭✭✭Call Me Jimmy


    tuxy wrote: »
    The inaccurate post is still there and has yet to be amended.
    I just don't understand the compulsion to even make such claims.

    The WHO chief said it was airborne. Why did none of his colleagues correct him there or can you find a written statement where they corrected him after? They are so concerned about panic and misinformation, wouldn't they be like 'woops, better put out a statement about his mistake'. Should be a quick google for you.

    They say they don't have enough evidence, and the head of the organisation also said it is airborne. Two pieces of information, which together without a correction is reasonable for people to think it may be airborne.

    Apparently the sliding scale between droplets and smaller droplets is hard to really quantify? I don't know if it is or isn't 'airborne' but the WHO chief obviously thought it was.


  • #7154
    givyjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,286 ✭✭✭givyjoe


    tuxy wrote: »
    :mad::mad::mad:

    .

    ???? Care to elaborate. Hardly an unreasonable request to stop making massive changes to your post after the fact. Telling someone as to the content of what they should/shouldn't post is fairly obviously not your place. Wouldn't have thought such a thing would need explaining. Again, bizarre stuff.


  • #7155
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,980 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

    They say they don't have enough evidence, and the head of the organisation also said it is airborne. Two pieces of information, which together without a correction is reasonable for people to think it may be airborne.

    Yes if that video is a recent press conference then it is confusing conflicting information.


  • #7156
    timmyntc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,779 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    BlackEdelweiss wrote: »
    I posted this in the diabetes forum but just found this place and thought I would see what the thinking on here is.


    My 19 year old son is a Type 1 diabetic, he recently got the flu while in Paris and had a bad DKA incident which left him in ICU for 5 days and took him a few weeks to get over it all.

    Him and his New Zealand girlfriend are planning on going back to NZ in May. The problem is that due to the corna virus, flights on Chinese Airlines are at rock bottom price for long haul flights. They want to book a ticket from Dublin to Taiwan to Auckland.

    Given his diabetes I am quite worried about this virus anyway but I think he is putting himself in harms way by flying this route with a Chinese Airline. For the sake of a few hundred euros he could fly with another carrier to the middle east or USA routes.

    I do a lot of risk assessments for work, my analysis is as follows: Liklihood of catching the corona virus from a Chinese Airlines plane or while in Taiwan airport = low (but probably higher than with another carrier and route). Severity of catching the virus as a Type 1 diabetic with an already weakened immune system = high. Risk rating = Medium.

    For a medium risk level I would review my current proposal and additional control measures or identify and remove elements that are considered as posing the greatest risk. We cant remove the diabetes so the only changeable factor is the travel route.

    Am I getting caught up in the mass hysteria surrounding the virus or would this be considered an unacceptable level of risk for a type 1 diabetic to take. It is getting to the point now where we are arguing about it and this is not how we want them leaving.

    Flying through Taiwan is not risky, I wouldnt worry about it


  • #7157
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,770 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    BlackEdelweiss wrote: »
    I posted this in the diabetes forum but just found this place and thought I would see what the thinking on here is.


    My 19 year old son is a Type 1 diabetic, he recently got the flu while in Paris and had a bad DKA incident which left him in ICU for 5 days and took him a few weeks to get over it all.

    Him and his New Zealand girlfriend are planning on going back to NZ in May. The problem is that due to the corna virus, flights on Chinese Airlines are at rock bottom price for long haul flights. They want to book a ticket from Dublin to Taiwan to Auckland.

    Given his diabetes I am quite worried about this virus anyway but I think he is putting himself in harms way by flying this route with a Chinese Airline. For the sake of a few hundred euros he could fly with another carrier to the middle east or USA routes.

    I do a lot of risk assessments for work, my analysis is as follows: Liklihood of catching the corona virus from a Chinese Airlines plane or while in Taiwan airport = low (but probably higher than with another carrier and route). Severity of catching the virus as a Type 1 diabetic with an already weakened immune system = high. Risk rating = Medium.

    For a medium risk level I would review my current proposal and additional control measures or identify and remove elements that are considered as posing the greatest risk. We cant remove the diabetes so the only changeable factor is the travel route.

    Am I getting caught up in the mass hysteria surrounding the virus or would this be considered an unacceptable level of risk for a type 1 diabetic to take. It is getting to the point now where we are arguing about it and this is not how we want them leaving.

    Offer to pay for the flights if they take the route you choose.


  • #7158
    Snow Garden
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Snow Garden


    Drumpot wrote: »
    Is this the only way you can converse on this topic? When a person reverts to insulting somebody to perhaps avoid meaningful engagement, one has to wonder if they lack the capacity for objective reasoning. Can you discuss this without reverting to insults please ?

    Objective reasoning? You are comparing having a fire extinguisher in your house to being adequately prepared for the corona virus to somehow validate that it's perfectly reasonable for Irish people to stockpile food and medical supplies when there is a negligible chance of it ever becoming a major issue here. It's loose lips like this thread that causes a panic and a run on the shops for no reason.


  • #7159
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    Snow Garden wrote: »
    Objective reasoning? You are comparing having a fire extinguisher in your house to being adequately prepared for the corona virus to somehow validate that it's perfectly reasonable for Irish people to stockpile food and medical supplies when there is a negligible chance of it ever becoming a major issue here. It's loose lips like this thread that causes a panic and a run on the shops for no reason.

    Where did I say people (or even I was) should stockpile food and medical supplies? Please quote exactly where I said that or correct yourself.


  • #7160
    dublin99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 226 ✭✭dublin99


    Not sure how accurate this is, but it looks like the Coronavirus is racist!

    https://www.eturbonews.com/542533/coronavirus-risk-for-asians-africans-caucasians-revealed/

    If the report is true, Irish /Caucasians are low risk :-)


  • #7161
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 7,967 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    dublin99 wrote: »
    Not sure how accurate this is, but it looks like the Coronavirus is racist!

    https://www.eturbonews.com/542533/coronavirus-risk-for-asians-africans-caucasians-revealed/

    If the report is true, Irish /Caucasians are low risk :-)

    Jesus H Christ. This again. That same 8 person study being knocked around. What a load of sh!te.


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  • #7162
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,980 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    dublin99 wrote: »
    Not sure how accurate this is, but it looks like the Coronavirus is racist!

    https://www.eturbonews.com/542533/coronavirus-risk-for-asians-africans-caucasians-revealed/

    If the report is true, Irish /Caucasians are low risk :-)

    Although different races look very different to us the genetics are so close it's unlikely that a virus would have a preference.
    Perhaps other factors at play or not enough info to get an accurate picture on this.

    I think this is wishful thinking by some to find some reassurances amongst the bad news.


  • #7163
    Sigma101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,400 ✭✭✭Sigma101


    dublin99 wrote: »
    Not sure how accurate this is, but it looks like the Coronavirus is racist!

    https://www.eturbonews.com/542533/coronavirus-risk-for-asians-africans-caucasians-revealed/

    If the report is true, Irish /Caucasians are low risk :-)

    A lot of dodgy 'preliminary reports' out there at the moment...... Meanwhile, in Indonesia there's strong evidence of the effectiveness of the power of prayer!!
    https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/health-environment/article/3051068/we-owe-it-god-indonesia-prays-how-it-keeping


  • #7164
    charlietheminxx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,579 ✭✭✭charlietheminxx


    Snow Garden wrote: »
    Objective reasoning? You are comparing having a fire extinguisher in your house to being adequately prepared for the corona virus to somehow validate that it's perfectly reasonable for Irish people to stockpile food and medical supplies when there is a negligible chance of it ever becoming a major issue here. It's loose lips like this thread that causes a panic and a run on the shops for no reason.

    First of all, even if we had a small outbreak here - which is certainly possible or even likely at this stage - some people have existing medical conditions which mean they are higher risk and may need to avoid hitting busy places like supermarkets or pharmacies where there may be sick people.

    We had a few days of snow less than 2 years ago which resulted in supermarket stock depletion and people being stuck for essentials for a few days. Where is the harm in people buying an extra inhaler or paracetamol or insulin or freezing a loaf of bread just in case?

    So much in life is outside our control that taking small measures of personal preparation makes some people feel better about such situations, what exactly is wrong with that?


  • #7165
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    dublin99 wrote: »
    Not sure how accurate this is, but it looks like the Coronavirus is racist!

    https://www.eturbonews.com/542533/coronavirus-risk-for-asians-africans-caucasians-revealed/

    If the report is true, Irish /Caucasians are low risk :-)

    It has legitimate studies links, but their too little cases in Europe, Africa and America to draw a significant conclusion from it


  • #7166
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    dublin99 wrote: »
    Not sure how accurate this is, but it looks like the Coronavirus is racist!

    https://www.eturbonews.com/542533/coronavirus-risk-for-asians-africans-caucasians-revealed/

    If the report is true, Irish /Caucasians are low risk :-)

    So, two Iranians have died today from coronavirus apparently, who I presume are caucasian. guess that puts to bed the thing about non asians not being affected by it
    They were both elderly with underlying immune system related illness, but so have most of the deaths been in China also.
    https://www.reddit.com/r/China_Flu/comments/f6ctsr/two_iranians_have_died_in_hospital_after_testing/

    It is seriously making me wonder how widespread this already is worldwide if 4 of the eight international deaths were not even known to have coronavirus until after they died


  • #7167
    siobhan2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38 ✭siobhan2005


    BlackEdelweiss wrote: »
    I posted this in the diabetes forum but just found this place and thought I would see what the thinking on here is.


    My 19 year old son is a Type 1 diabetic, he recently got the flu while in Paris and had a bad DKA incident which left him in ICU for 5 days and took him a few weeks to get over it all.

    Him and his New Zealand girlfriend are planning on going back to NZ in May. The problem is that due to the corna virus, flights on Chinese Airlines are at rock bottom price for long haul flights. They want to book a ticket from Dublin to Taiwan to Auckland.

    Given his diabetes I am quite worried about this virus anyway but I think he is putting himself in harms way by flying this route with a Chinese Airline. For the sake of a few hundred euros he could fly with another carrier to the middle east or USA routes.

    I do a lot of risk assessments for work, my analysis is as follows: Liklihood of catching the corona virus from a Chinese Airlines plane or while in Taiwan airport = low (but probably higher than with another carrier and route). Severity of catching the virus as a Type 1 diabetic with an already weakened immune system = high. Risk rating = Medium.

    For a medium risk level I would review my current proposal and additional control measures or identify and remove elements that are considered as posing the greatest risk. We cant remove the diabetes so the only changeable factor is the travel route.

    Am I getting caught up in the mass hysteria surrounding the virus or would this be considered an unacceptable level of risk for a type 1 diabetic to take. It is getting to the point now where we are arguing about it and this is not how we want them leaving.

    I'm not sure about the risk of flying through Taiwan. I'm a type 1 myself, and I'd probably avoid it to be honest but I'm scared of everything lol. If it's a couple hundred euro difference, you could offer to pay the difference in price if you had it, not sure if it's right but that's prob what I'd do.


  • #7168
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    wadacrack wrote: »
    It has legitimate studies links, but their too little cases in Europe, Africa and America to draw a significant conclusion from it

    Fixed your post there - anyone can post a study up, means nothing
    There was a Chinese doc had one up looking for near death participants to be tested with some ridiculous drug (cannot remember which drug)

    edit
    Found it - dosing with Vitamin C, must be diagnosed as serious or critical


  • #7169
    skimpydoo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,716 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    fritzelly wrote: »
    This is interesting reading - if true it opens up a whole load more questions

    https://www.bbc.com/zhongwen/simp/chinese-news-51540821

    If you can read Mandarin.


  • #7170
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    skimpydoo wrote: »
    If you can read Mandarin.

    Isn't everyone learning it now?
    Already posted a translation here
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=112583631&postcount=7059


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  • #7171
    Snow Garden
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Snow Garden


    Drumpot wrote: »
    Where did I say people (or even I was) should stockpile food and medical supplies? Please quote exactly where I said that or correct yourself.
    I have decided to take some small steps to mitigate this
    I am not building a bunker in my back garden, but have thrown a few euros at a few things in case there is a bit of panic.
    Hopefully , by being prepared more, I will be able to inform others and not be a part of the panic that will ensue if it starts creating serious problems on our healthcare system.
    Is that me panicking or just taking some measures that in the highly unlikely chance of a fire in my house I have some safety nets to help reduce the impact?

    Go on then, what are your safety measures for the corona virus?


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