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new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

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  • #6932
    BanditLuke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    isn't it strange how all of a sudden no new cases are being registered in Europe? we were getting 5-6 new cases every day and then it all stopped. I hope things are not been kept from the public to avoid unnecessary worries. I'd rather know

    Yeap it is strange.


  • #6933
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,994 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    RebelButtMunch wrote: »
    So likely that the internal cabin passengers are mingling.

    It's the crew who have been mingling, and there have been many cases of infected crew. They also prepare meals and deliver them to the cabins.
    Associate Professor Ian Mackay has dismissed a theory that the disease might be spreading through the ship's ventilation system.

    "Even if it was airborne, the virus particles travelling through convoluted air ducting into other rooms, it can happen, but I think it would be a minor route of transmission," he said.
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-14/why-do-coronavirus-cases-keep-rising-on-diamond-princess/11961166


  • #6934
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    hmmm wrote: »
    You don't you know, and it's not helpful to spread rumours like this. It's a small country, the whole place would know about it in about a minute.
    It could be helpful for those of us who want to take precautions when it gets here..


  • #6935
    1641
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,291 ✭✭✭1641


    [QUOTE=Mic 1972;112578710 I hope things are not been kept from the public to avoid unnecessary worries. [/QUOTE]


    Yeap - I'm really worried about that!


  • #6936
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,994 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Beijing: As a mysterious new virus enveloped central China's Wuhan early this year, Liu Zhiming mobilised all the resources of his hospital in the city's Wuchang district to deal with the thousands of sick people arriving daily, threatening to overwhelm the local health care system.
    Liu Zhiming, the director of Wuchang Hospital in Wuhan.

    Liu Zhiming, the director of Wuchang Hospital in Wuhan.

    That dedication appears to have cost him his life, with Wuhan's health bureau announcing on Tuesday that he became infected and died despite "all-out" attempts to save him.

    Liu is at least the seventh health worker to die of the COVID-19 disease among the more than 1700 doctors and nurses who have become sick. His death comes as authorities are cautiously cheering a reduction in the number of new daily cases and deaths, along with the results of a study showing most people who contracted the virus experienced only mild symptoms.

    China on Tuesday reported 1886 new cases and 98 more deaths. That raised the number of deaths in mainland China to 1868 and the total number of confirmed cases to 72,436.

    Japan, meanwhile, announced that 88 more cases of the virus were confirmed aboard a quarantined cruise ship, the Diamond Princess, bringing the total to 542 among the 3700 initially on board.
    https://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/coronavirus-claims-wuhan-hospital-director-japan-reports-more-cases-20200219-p54249.html

    Good thing we have a health system that could cope, might be a worry otherwise.


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  • #6937
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 17,378 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    ardinn wrote: »
    Seen a tweet about hidden cases is galway - someones wife is a nurse dealing with it - this guy left a voicemail for a reporter explaning it - not a shred of proof either way but you would have to wonder.

    You're the same clown who was posting the most obviously fake bullshlt before from China and even saying you didn't really believe it "but just imagine". And now you're doing the exact same thing.

    There is absolutely no need to "to wonder". It is not a requirement. It's actually a bizarre thing for one to do, but you obviously enjoy it.


  • #6938
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,612 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    You're the same clown who was posting the most obviously fake bullshlt before from China and even saying you didn't really believe it "but just imagine". And now you're doing the exact same thing.

    There is absolutely no need to "to wonder". It is not a requirement. It's actually a bizarre thing for one to do, but you obviously enjoy it.

    Yeah, all I'm wondering about is what is wrong with people who spread fake news and just straight up make **** up (not saying it's that poster, but whoever originally thought they'd have a laugh and do it).


  • #6939
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    Yeah, all I'm wondering about is what is wrong with people who spread fake news and just straight up make **** up (not saying it's that poster, but whoever originally thought they'd have a laugh and do it).
    Attention seeking, and a desperate need to appear smarter/more informed than the "sheeple".

    It's not helpful, and it scares people who are genuinely anxious.


  • #6940
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,107 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Some of the propaganda techniques of the CCP - not the happy happy nurses video doing the rounds a few days ago.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6rqzLi1p8Q


  • #6941
    Martina1991
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,548 ✭✭✭Martina1991


    Drumpot wrote:
    With regards to the testing of this illness, does anybody have any definitive evidence of how accurate these testing procedures are in Ireland ? You see different stats thrown about in terms of how much we know how to tell the difference between this virus and others. What about people who have shown no symptoms, have they been tested ? How would we know who to test ?
    Testing for the Coronavirus is performed in the National Virus Reference Lab in Dublin.

    All samples receive a seasonal respiratory virus panel and a SARS-CoV-2 specific RT-PCR.
    This is a technique where the DNA specific to the virus is isolated, amplified and then detected. PCR techniques are usually highly accurate.

    I don't know what techniques are being used in China or in other countries. Using different techniques or even manufacturers can result in different levels of sensitivity and specificity between assays.

    The quality of the sample is key.

    Specimens may be sputum (phlegm) or swabs from the nose or throat.
    Sputum samples would usually be a better quality specimen as it comes from deep within the respiratory tract and will likely bring up a lot of viral particles with it.

    Swabs from the nose or throat may not be of very good quality for testing. The viral load from a swab may be very low.
    Therefore, may not be detected at a sufficient level to produce a positive result.

    Some that have CV are not displaying symptoms, or may have very mild symptoms. If you're not sneezing or have a cough, then you may not be shedding enough of the virus in your nose or throat to be detected.

    That's why patients are having repeated tests. Over time the virus is replicating, symptoms develop, and they're shedding enough of the virus to be detected.

    No test is 100% accurate. There will always be limits to sensitivity and specificity. That's why diagnosis is made by a combination of symptoms, scans and diagnostic tests.


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  • #6942
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    If there was ever a reason I'd come up with not to take a cruise - the current unfolding situation is probably one of them tbh.

    A researcher who " studied norovirus outbreaks on cruises extensively and came to a striking finding...: The researchers looked at norovirus outbreaks over time and found that whenever a new, fast-spreading variant was emerging, it was often accompanied by a big wave of outbreaks on cruise ships. In other words, what happened aboard was a signal that there was a larger outbreak on the ground. “For a virus that likes to spread in groups of people, cruise ships are notorious,” 

    https://www.vox.com/2020/2/11/21132732/coronavirus-cruise-ship-quarantine-japan

    https://www.vox.com/2020/2/18/21142009/coronavirus-covid19-china-wuhan-deaths-pandemic
    Now, here’s a big caveat: The R0 is not “something that is fixed,” said Marion Koopmans, who studies emerging infectious diseases and heads the department of virology at the Erasmus Medical Center in Rotterdam, Netherlands...

    That’s because diseases behave differently in different environments, depending on factors like population density and susceptibility to a disease in a population. For example, in the case of norovirus — that nasty and highly contagious bug infamous for causing outbreaks of stomach flu on cruise ships— the R0 estimates vary depending on whether the outbreak is contained in one place (like a hospital) or spread more widely.

    Some individuals are also more contagious — and have a higher R0 — than others, because of their viral load, for example, or the airflow in the building where they’re sick.

    If one narrows the estimates to some of the world’s top epidemiological modeling labs — like Maia Majumder’s at Boston Children’s Hospital or Christian Althaus’s at the University of Bern or Jon Read’s at Lancaster or China CDC’s — the range looks a little broader: 2 to 3.11. That would make the new coronavirus more contagious than seasonal flu and potentially even more contagious than SARS.

    ...


  • #6943
    laurah591
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 326 ✭✭laurah591


    Back to work we go

    https://mobile.twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1229854204568776707

    This province recorded a total of 630 cases i think (i hope there reported numbers are accurate)

    China's economy must be under significant strain at this point. I wonder how long it will take to see serious impacts on global supply chains etc. How European auto manufacturers doing... did any one see?

    Meanwhile Russia is imposing a temporary ban on all chinese passports entering the country - seems an odd move now if this virus is coming under control


  • #6944
    ZX7R
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,393 ✭✭✭ZX7R


    An interesting point was made in conversation today with a colleague who's partner is Chinese, about the high number of male's been diagnosed, besides a lot are smoking, most male's are the only ones earning a wage in a house hold, so are less likely to go to a doctor if sick and continue to work.
    Could be a external factor not taken into account.


  • #6945
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,378 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    The cfr seems to be very variable too.
    The 2.3 figure we see is averaged over all of China, the cfr is higher inside the Hubei province and a good deal lower outside.

    Take comfort in that maybe, although I wonder if it's an indication of how cfr can go up when health systems are overloaded?


  • #6946
    ZX7R
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,393 ✭✭✭ZX7R


    laurah591 wrote: »
    Back to work we go

    https://mobile.twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1229854204568776707

    This province recorded a total of 630 cases i think (i hope there reported numbers are accurate)

    China's economy must be under significant strain at this point. I wonder how long it will take to see serious impacts on global supply chains etc. How European auto manufacturers doing... did any one see?

    Meanwhile Russia is imposing a temporary ban on all chinese passports entering the country - seems an odd move now if this virus is coming under control

    I'm more surprised Russia have not done it sooner an easy gateway through Russia into Europe.


  • #6947
    skepticalme
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 229 ✭✭skepticalme


    The diamond princess lack of infection contol . https://youtu.be/vtHYZkLuKcI


  • #6948
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    Chloroquine seems to be giving good results in patients
    https://www.nu.nl/buitenland/6031723/86-jaar-oud-malariamiddel-werkt-tegen-door-coronavirus-veroorzaakte-ziekte.html

    There's something like 80 trials ongoing at the moment.


  • #6949
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    ZX7R wrote: »
    An interesting point was made in conversation today with a colleague who's partner is Chinese, about the high number of male's been diagnosed, besides a lot are smoking, most male's are the only ones earning a wage in a house hold, so are less likely to go to a doctor if sick and continue to work.
    Could be a external factor not taken into account.

    Most cases are mild, if this is the case Males are more likely to not seek medical help and not be diagnosed. Which would lead to a lower rate


  • #6950
    Ten of Swords
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,432 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ten of Swords


    ardinn wrote: »
    Seen a tweet about hidden cases is galway - someones wife is a nurse dealing with it - this guy left a voicemail for a reporter explaning it - not a shred of proof either way but you would have to wonder.

    Leave out the unverified whataboutery

    Moderator: Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual & Transgender, Vegan & Vegetarian

    Category Moderator: Social & Fun



  • #6951
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,378 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    skepticalme wrote: »
    The diamond princess lack of infection contol . https://youtu.be/vtHYZkLuKcI

    I hope the passengers sue for the dangerous conditions they were kept in. So badly handled.


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  • #6952
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,094 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    ZX7R wrote: »
    An interesting point was made in conversation today with a colleague who's partner is Chinese, about the high number of male's been diagnosed, besides a lot are smoking, most male's are the only ones earning a wage in a house hold, so are less likely to go to a doctor if sick and continue to work.
    Could be a external factor not taken into account.

    Males working and therefore mixing more and in close contact with more people?


  • #6953
    tara73
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,358 ✭✭✭tara73


    laurah591 wrote: »
    China's economy must be under significant strain at this point. I wonder how long it will take to see serious impacts on global supply chains etc. How European auto manufacturers doing... did any one see?

    very interested in that too, but it's very quiet about it me thinks. Don't hear anything except twice on tv today apple announced 'delays' in deliveries.

    Must be thousands of other big or small companies effected too. Think they don't want to admit it yet or can still operate on warehouse stock and all hoping the crisis will dissolve in itself in a few days...


  • #6954
    ZX7R
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,393 ✭✭✭ZX7R


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    Males working and therefore mixing more and in close contact with more people?

    Could be a factor it spread so much at the start


  • #6955
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    I hope the passengers sue for the dangerous conditions they were kept in. So badly handled.

    WHO and Japan are using the cruise ship as an experiment it seems. Its why they never wanted a specialist doctor with years of experience(SARS,Ebola) on the ship. WHO never seemed that concerned about how easily it was spreading in any of their statements. Absolutely despicable .


  • #6956
    SeaBreezes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,554 ✭✭✭SeaBreezes


    wadacrack wrote: »
    WHO and Japan are using the cruise ship as an experiment it seems. Its why they never wanted a specialist doctor with years of experience(SARS,Ebola) on the ship. WHO never seemed that concerned about how easily it was spreading in any of their statements. Absolutely despicable .

    I would agree. They are the experts in infectious diseases. They needed a few direct case studies. They HAVE to have known keeping people on the ship would have inceased their chance at infection. What were they thinking? Was it deliberate?

    Or perhaps they advised authorities of all this but the advice was ignored?


  • #6957
    tara73
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,358 ✭✭✭tara73


    wadacrack wrote: »
    WHO and Japan are using the cruise ship as an experiment it seems. Absolutely despicable .


    I honestly don't think they did it on purpose as an experiment. It was the easiest deal for Japan and the different countries where the passengers are from: leave them on the ship, perfect quarantine conditions..:rolleyes:. Otherwise Tokyo had to provide quarantine ad hoc for over 3000 people or the different countries flying their citizens home and quarantine there. Would have taken some amount of time to organise that too. And money..
    I think they thought (or more: hoped) it will work out to leave them on the ship.


  • #6958
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    wadacrack wrote: »
    WHO and Japan are using the cruise ship as an experiment it seems. Its why they never wanted a specialist doctor with years of experience(SARS,Ebola) on the ship. WHO never seemed that concerned about how easily it was spreading in any of their statements. Absolutely despicable .
    Japan has said they did not have anywhere to put 3000 people into quarantine on land which is fair. Now they do, which is why they are moving people. I don't think there is any country which could cope with accommodating 3000 potentially infected people safely (even the US can only host a few hundred), it seemed at the time a better idea to keep them in individual rooms on the ship.


  • #6959
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,994 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    https://www.dailymercury.com.au/news/chilling-new-virus-development/3947988/
    A shortage of masks and protective equipment continues to compound the situation. Single-use protective gear is being reportedly re-used until it breaks, is patched up with duct-tape, and then torn beyond repair. Chinese social media posts reveal some hospital staff have resorted to wearing raincoats and garbage bags.

    The article covers a lot of ground.


  • #6960
    1641
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,291 ✭✭✭1641


    tara73 wrote: »
    very interested in that too, but it's very quiet about it me thinks. Don't hear anything except twice on tv today apple announced 'delays' in deliveries.

    Must be thousands of other big or small companies effected too. Think they don't want to admit it yet or can still operate on warehouse stock and all hoping the crisis will dissolve in itself in a few days...


    There are other reports too. Jaguar, JCB and Fiat mentioned here:


    https://www.bbc.com/news/business-51548976


    I am sure there will be more soon.


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  • #6961
    1641
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,291 ✭✭✭1641


    wadacrack wrote: »
    WHO and Japan are using the cruise ship as an experiment it seems. Its why they never wanted a specialist doctor with years of experience(SARS,Ebola) on the ship. WHO never seemed that concerned about how easily it was spreading in any of their statements. Absolutely despicable .



    I have heard several reports that they are looking for an island somewhere just off northern western Europe where there is no government in place to test out how it responds in a natural wet and windy environment. They are releasing it tonight apparently. Cover story will be that they are only trying to relieve the demand for housing.


    Despicable, despicable, despicable.


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