What have we come to

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

No they are in the building phase, noone has the foggiest of what the final cost will be but so far its projected to be running close to 2 billion. Runaway costs no one accountable as always.

I wonder if it is SF policy to cancel the NCH?

LoughNeagh2017 wrote: »

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There is a would if difference between the old IRA and the diesel laundering provos

Steyr 556 wrote: »

Can someone tell me what is the difference between FF and FG? Voting for one is voting for the other, considering they will either go into government together or prop the other one up.

https://spunout.ie/life/article/fine-gael-vs-fianna-fail-whats-the-difference

Not much difference to be honest. But FF used to consider themselves more left of centre, while FG are right of centre.

MM has recently tried to reclaim some of this left wing vibe.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/election-2020/fianna-fail-is-the-party-of-the-working-classes-micheal-martin-38918150.html

MM born in a council house etc etc

Fine Gael is generally considered to be more of a proponent of market liberalism than its traditional rival, Fianna Fáil. FG is also supposed to be the more liberal of the two in general social issues.

Also as for both parties propping each other up, it is in thier mandate to keep SF out because of moral issues.

joeguevara wrote: »

Better if they could spell Fine Gael correctly. Also, they missed out the part of neither Fianna Fáil or Fine Gael have any association with bombing pubs and killing innocent men, women or children. Just saying.

It would appear that fada is gan ghá freisin.

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Anyone who went to college, has spent a number of years working themselves up to a decent position in a company and earning a decent living would be f**king nuts to vote SF

All they want is to take money off the people that’s have worked for it and hand to the wasters of Ireland, don’t reward the people who went to college, reward the gobs**t who left school after junior cert and now complains he cant get a good job

That’s the SF way....

Think this shows just how out of touch with reality some of you are

maccored wrote: »

Think this shows just how out of touch with reality some of you are

Explain.

Feisar wrote: »

Explain.

Because theres many people with good education and jobs (people i know) who vote sf. To pretend only poor people (and ‘scumbags’) vote sf is a pretty thick assumption to make. Its an assumptiin quite a few seem to make.

Ever wonder who gave people such a generous social welfare system? Wasnt SF

votecounts wrote: »

This is the one of the stereotypes that I hate. Plenty of educated, professional and hard working people vote for SF, sure they got 24.5% of the vote. If 24.5% of the country were "layabout scumbags", the the country would be fcuked.:D Some people would say it's the stupid ones that keep electing FF and FG and expecting different results.

Better the dog you know and all that. I know I wouldn’t vote for SF if there was no other choice. My conscience is clear, to grub a few quid for myself putting the political wing of the ira into power..... and their terrorist background. Never ever ever. So they’re worried being called names, LOOK at the deeds of those behind who they voted for..... idiots

FrancieBrady wrote: »

A week after the election 'What have we come to'?;

FF/FG with the aid of a whipping boy/girl back in government, looks like where we are at.

They have the mandate - SF don't simple as. Once the grand coalition idea of the left fell on its ass that was it. FG FF and Labour promised pre election they would not go in with SF. Plus fair dues to them they are sticking to it.

The irony is that SF's lack of openness and honesty, means they are still toxic to the majority of the traditional parties and justifiably so.

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

They have the mandate -

How do they have a 'mandate'?

Here is what Martin told the electorate in January:

Fianna Fáil leader Micheál Martin has said his party will not form a “grand coalition” with Fine Gael after the general election.

If you confidently say the electorate endorsed his view on not governing with SF are you saying they accepted a nod and a wee wink about going in to government with FG?

FrancieBrady wrote: »

How do they have a 'mandate'?

Here is what Martin told the electorate in January:


If you confidently say the electorate endorsed his view on not governing with SF are you saying they accepted a nod and a wee wink about going in to government with FG?

Well over 1.1m of the popular vote went to parties which said they would not go in government with SF Labour FF.

Yes, I am saying they had a nod and wink. No other choice other then that besides call a another election. Circumstances dictate it.

FG and FF are the two most compatible parties throw in the Greens and job done.

Steyr 556 wrote: »

Can someone tell me what is the difference between FF and FG? Voting for one is voting for the other, considering they will either go into government together or prop the other one up.

I don't buy this whole civil war parties thing. Nobody cares about that these days. It's said about family's being FF or FF voters because that's how their ancestors voted. But it isn't true any more. In contrast though if your family is republican then you vote for SF just as your parents do.

From a practical perspective, I've seen FF increase public spending massively on wages without delivering remotely anything better in levels of service. Berties placation of the unions being the most obvious but pensions also increased East it of line of inflation since the 90s.

In contrast, FG have been castigated more recently for massive spending on the NCH and rural broadband. But these are both things that we will have decades from now. Their costs spread over decades is small. Ardnacrusha was one fifth of the countrys budget when it was built.

FG wanted to implement water charges, FF went the populist route and objected. No matter what your view on Irish water is. The fact that no other party cannot try to implement what every other European country has, makes FG stand out.

But populism seems to be what you need in this country to get into power and it seems to be FGs job to fix up the mess after, 2011 isn't the first time this has happened.

The Irish electorate is largely centrist unlike clearer left / right divides in other countries. Both FF and FG are right and left variations of that but not by a swinging margin.

I'm amused by people talking about the the FFG moniker, why not just lump SF, labour, PBP SOl together as v the SFPBPLABSOL or is it just too many letters for the lazy?

FrancieBrady wrote: »

A week after the election 'What have we come to'?;

FF/FG with the aid of a whipping boy/girl back in government, looks like where we are at.

FF/FG/GP grand coalition looking likely, so same shower of ****es back in, no change

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

I've a sibling who for various reasons is on long term unemployment. But they have now had to go out and get some work because of seetec. I'm glad about this because they needed to her out of the rut they were in for decades.

But Sinn Fein are promising to get rid of this so that the people can happily stay on welfare.

FF voted also to get rid of this scheme also.

https://www.thejournal.ie/jobpath-dail-vote-4480186-Feb2019/