new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

14-02-2020 07:32PM

Dukoral vaccine side-effects update

The nausea has died away, stomach pain fading, temperature 101 and falling, fluid balance normalising. That’s on onset of cytokine reaction 4 and a half hours after vaccine ingestion, with symptoms starting to abate 2 and a half hours after that.

Yes, vaccines are worth it.

creditcarder · 14-02-2020 07:32PM

Mic 1972 wrote: »

I keep reading taht too and it's very reassuring, until you think about Thailand and Singapore where temperatures are currently over 25c and very humid, exactly the type of weather that should stop the spread. Then again temperatures in Europe reach 30c and over in the Summer so there is still hope

You can still get a cold/flue in teh summer, but it is a much lower risk

Yurt2 · 14-02-2020 07:32PM

ObiTwoKenobi wrote: »

Just thinking about this. What are the chances that there are two viruses in circulation in China and beyond? Could it even be that the corona virus has mutated into a less (or more) harmful strain which is also in circulation at the same time as a previous strain. Any opinions on whether that is possible and/or likely?

I don't know does this answer your question, or if I'm covering old ground that others have in the thread, but an Aus based specialist said on CNN today that this virus has mutated several times already and is notable for its extremely high mutation rate, which is why the Chinese can't nail it down.

Wibbs · 14-02-2020 07:40PM

Yurt! wrote: »

I don't know does this answer your question, or if I'm covering old ground that others have in the thread, but an Aus based specialist said on CNN today that this virus has mutated several times already and is notable for its extremely high mutation rate, which is why the Chinese can't nail it down.

Or, and this is just conjecture of course, it might not be the same virus in all cases and the test is giving false positives as well as negatives. This could go some way to explain how this virus seems to differ so much in transmission, progression, severity and morbidity when compared to previous coronaviruses that were similar like SARS and MERS.

cnocbui · 14-02-2020 07:41PM

Yurt! wrote: »

I don't know does this answer your question, or if I'm covering old ground that others have in the thread, but an Aus based specialist said on CNN today that this virus has mutated several times already and is notable for its extremely high mutation rate, which is why the Chinese can't nail it down.

Covid-19
Covid-19.1
Covid-19.1.2
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silverharp · 14-02-2020 07:48PM

Duke of Url wrote: »

They are not lecturing anyone.

Do you know about how the US treat Whistleblowers?

Yes or No?

Or we ignore that and only focus on China?

which country is having me think if I should book my summer holidays or potentially exposing me to a pneumonia inducing virus?

Duke of Url · 14-02-2020 07:57PM

silverharp wrote: »

which country is having me think if I should book my summer holidays or potentially exposing me to a pneumonia inducing virus?

I have no idea what your talking about now.

ObiTwoKenobi · 14-02-2020 08:06PM

Wibbs wrote: »

Or, and this is just conjecture of course, it might not be the same virus in all cases and the test is giving false positives as well as negatives. This could go some way to explain how this virus seems to differ so much in transmission, progression, severity and morbidity when compared to previous coronaviruses that were similar like SARS and MERS.

Yes agreed. 100% speculation but not beyond the realms of possibility that we are witnessing a perfect storm of two or more concurrent viruses.

14-02-2020 08:25PM

Here’s a quote from the wikipaedia entry for coronaviruses in general:

“Seven strains of human coronaviruses are known:

Human coronavirus 229E (HCoV-229E)

Human coronavirus OC43 (HCoV-OC43)

Severe acute respiratory syndrome-related coronavirus (SARS-CoV)

Human coronavirus NL63 (HCoV-NL63, New Haven coronavirus)

Human coronavirus HKU1

Middle East respiratory syndrome-related coronavirus (MERS-CoV), previously known as novel coronavirus 2012 and HCoV-EMC.

Novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV),[27][28] also known as Wuhan coronavirus.[29] ('Novel' in this case means newly discovered, or newly originated, and is a placeholder name.)[28]”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronavirus

When you read under each of the seven they vary in pathogenicity but ALL are readily capable of causing lethal disease in the vulnerable. The “Common Cold” can be caused by several viruses but is most usually associated with the more benign Rhinovirus family.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_cold

There’s nothing simple about the business of all these type of pathogens. We have all had variants of Corona viruses, many of us will have had vulnerable relatives whose final illness it was. The world of science is still trying to work out the level of contagion and pathogenicity of the latest one discovered CoVid-19, but so far it seems to have a fairly high level of contagion and a moderate level of pathogenicity (versus severe/deadly).

MD1990 · 14-02-2020 08:28PM

how soon do people think this will cause disruptions for football games in the PL?

Wondering will Liverpool win the league before it really spreads possibly

14-02-2020 08:29PM

Channel 4 - Coronavirus is Britain ready.

Starting in a minute.

SeaBreezes · 14-02-2020 08:36PM

dominatinMC wrote: »

I never tried to downplay it as just the flu. Unless you can otherwise quote me?

Wasn't referring to you at all... just the general authority ..it's just the flu..

Wondering if that infected man who went to the bus conference was one of the 4 drivers of the horsemen buses who transferred the Wirral people from the plane and was sent home to self isolate for 10 days... no clue at all, just thought it was incredibly casual of the authorities at the time.. just a flu was the line..
it's being used sarcastically on twitter with some time now with videos of people being locked into their homes...

14-02-2020 08:41PM

The person at the bus conference was a SHE, sea breeze and it was in London.

She rang nhs number who advised her to get an ambulance or private transfer to hospital. I think there was a miscommunication and she thought private transfer meant taxi rather than her own transport. That’s why she got the Uber.

Snow Garden · 14-02-2020 08:42PM

creditcarder wrote: »
You can still get a cold/flue in teh summer, but it is a much lower risk

Interesting fact...There are more than 200 viruses that can cause the common cold - rhinoviruses are by the far the most common culprits.

Approx 25% of people infected with a common cold virus are lucky enough not to experience any symptoms at all.

ObiTwoKenobi · 14-02-2020 08:45PM

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2001468

Update to the study confirms Chinese visitor to German business meeting was not asymptomatic when she passed on the virus.

14-02-2020 08:55PM

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

The person at the bus conference was a SHE, sea breeze and it was in London.

She rang nhs number who advised her to get an ambulance or private transfer to hospital. I think there was a miscommunication and she thought private transfer meant taxi rather than her own transport. That’s why she got the Uber.

This is why communication strategies have to be very clear & complete, and also take into account English is not everybody’s first language.

pc7 · 14-02-2020 08:59PM

BanditLuke wrote: »

That will be the least of our worries by then. Think closer to home we will soon see Premiership football games being called off and concerts and the like.

We’re due to go to Paris Paddy’s weekend for the rugby, think we’ll see how it pans out over the next few weeks first.

scotchy · 14-02-2020 09:03PM

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Channel 4 - Coronavirus is Britain ready.

Starting in a minute.

Well that didn't put my mind at rest:o

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Zenify · 14-02-2020 09:04PM

scotchy wrote: »

Well that didn't put my mind at rest:o

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Can you give a summary?

14-02-2020 09:08PM

ObiTwoKenobi wrote: »

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2001468

Update to the study confirms Chinese visitor to German business meeting was not asymptomatic when she passed on the virus.

Wouldn’t it be woeful if it is discovered that there are Covid-19 carriers similar to Typhoid Mary who could tinker to spread illness throughout her life. But we are dealing with a cometely different type of pathogen

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Mallon

scotchy · 14-02-2020 09:11PM

Zenify wrote: »

Can you give a summary?

Have to admit That I missed the end of it.
One expert saying that the UK is presently at where China was in early December, and that this is the most frightening outbreak that he has worked on. Again, I was only seeing bits of it.

Would like to see it all if anyone has a link.

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BanditLuke · 14-02-2020 09:12PM

scotchy wrote: »

Well that didn't put my mind at rest:o

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Real wake up call for the head in the sand brigade

BanditLuke · 14-02-2020 09:13PM

Zenify wrote: »

Can you give a summary?

UK about 6-8 weeks from a Wuhan type situation.

givyjoe · 14-02-2020 09:17PM

BanditLuke wrote: »

UK about 6-8 weeks from a Wuhan type situation.

Except there won't be a state wide lock down or quarantine.

scotchy · 14-02-2020 09:17PM

BanditLuke wrote: »

UK about 6-8 weeks from a Wuhan type situation.

Might be time to rethink the hard border.

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BanditLuke · 14-02-2020 09:19PM

givyjoe wrote: »

Except there won't be a state wide lock down or quarantine.

No.

Thínk the euros will be cancelled also. Any events where large crowds gather will be banned imo.

This kind of stuff won't happen in the UK or Ireland for instance.
http://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-everyone-arriving-in-beijing-must-self-isolate-or-be-punished-11934020

14-02-2020 09:22PM

scotchy wrote: »

Well that didn't put my mind at rest:o

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I missed most of it as food arrived.

Chong · 14-02-2020 09:26PM

I am starting to think and take my head out the sand. I have a conference in London on the 24th for 2 days flying to Heathrow.

3 things?

- If I go should I wear a mask - even though they are like gold dust.
- Should I go?
- Will there be lock downs on such events?

scotchy · 14-02-2020 09:28PM

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

I missed most of it as food arrived.

Oooh, what ye get?

14-02-2020 09:29PM

scotchy wrote: »

Oooh, what ye get?

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