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FrancieBrady · 14-02-2020 10:16AM

Grayson Tasty Springboard wrote: »

Eoin O Brion making a right fool of himself on newstalk this morning. Talking absolute rubbish, basically lying, unable to address questions. Sums up SF really. Some of the stuff he came out with was absolutely comical.

You clearly weren't listening to Heather Humpreys tying herself in knots on RTE so.

Not one of them, SF included, can answer a question straight at the moment. It's the nature of the political beast when there are negotiations ongoing and party positions are shifting like the sands on a Donegal beach.

FG obviously pushed Heather out to continue the 'you took the ball off us...you play', huff and she's not very good at it.

Jinglejangle69 · 14-02-2020 10:16AM

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

Any shinners here want to defend their new Clare TD?

A sponger in a charity social house refusing to pay the paltry 63e a week she owed.

An anti vaxxer and fraudster. That's the calibre of candidate the shinners have.

Pathetic.

Ah no she's not a fraudster.

That's only other party members.

smurgen · 14-02-2020 10:19AM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Ah no she's not a fraudster.

That's only other party members.

I thought Maria Bailey and Alan Farrell were Fine Gaels?

Jinglejangle69 · 14-02-2020 10:20AM

smurgen wrote: »

I thought Maria Bailey and Alan Farrell were Fine Gaels?

Ah there's the deflection we all know from SF, didn't take long:)

Yurt2 · 14-02-2020 10:21AM

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

Any shinners here want to defend their new Clare TD?

A sponger in a charity social house refusing to pay the paltry 63e a week she owed.

An anti vaxxer and fraudster. That's the calibre of candidate the shinners have.

Pathetic.

I'm not what you might call a SF supporter, but I've probably been posting in their defence since the election to temper some of the off-the-handle madness and hysteria from the other side, so I'll take this one on.

I'd like to know more about her case, but on the face of it she looks difficult to defend, and I'm certainly not going to bother.

I'll also make the prediction that the candidate elected from the County Limerick constituency will be a problem child for them. He's not a guy that will make the Dean's list in the near future shall we say.

That said, there are many in the party who I've been genuinely impressed with, and their leadership trio should be taken seriously.

14-02-2020 10:23AM

McMurphy wrote: »

Fergus O'Dowd last night said he was told in no uncertain terms at the doors how people wanted a change.

What does Fergus think will await him now when he has to go back to them same doors and people ask him why the change they asked for didn't happen because FG and FF refused to talk to the other party that won the popular vote?

One of the two local FF lads here lost his seat, I look forward to Lawless and Durkin (I was gutted he got back in, but respect his mandate) knocking on my door in the next short while if it happens again.

FF/FG really in self destruct more ATM.

100% of people I know told FF & FG that they would not support them going into government with Sinn Fein.
They are keeping to their promises & you have to admire them for that.

If there is another GE, it's a long game for FF FG.
Let them sit back & watch Sinn Fein in government, see how long they last.

FrancieBrady · 14-02-2020 10:23AM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Ah there's the deflection we all know from SF, didn't take long:)

But the question is JJ, can we draw conclusions about FG in general, because of one member?

Is that the way it is done?

I can throw in our local FGer here, caught on national TV asking for bungs for planning favours...is ALL of FG like that?

No deflection, just wonder are we on a level playing field here?

Mantis Toboggan · 14-02-2020 10:24AM

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

Any shinners here want to defend their new Clare TD?

A sponger in a charity social house refusing to pay the paltry 63e a week she owed.

An anti vaxxer and fraudster. That's the calibre of candidate the shinners have.

Pathetic.

Might want to hit that hay Paddy, sounds like you've had one too many :pac:

meeeeh · 14-02-2020 10:24AM

Yurt! wrote: »

Love em or loath them, and I wouldn't be entirely uncritical of them myself, but the trio of O'Broin, Doherty and Mary Lou are formidable and spook FF and FG big time.

They are perhaps overly reliant on those three, but to be honest, FF and FG aren't exactly awash with talent themselves.

I like O'Broin, I don't particularly like but I respect Mary Lou but Doherty is all bluster and no substance. If he becomes a minister he will be new James Riley. Great talking in the opposition and s disaster as s minister.

is_that_so · 14-02-2020 10:26AM

McMurphy wrote: »

Fergus O'Dowd last night said he was told in no uncertain terms at the doors how people wanted a change.

What does Fergus think will await him now when he has to go back to them same doors and people ask him why the change they asked for didn't happen because FG and FF refused to talk to the other party that won the popular vote?

One of the two local FF lads here lost his seat, I look forward to Lawless and Durkin (I was gutted he got back in, but respect his mandate) knocking on my door in the next short while if it happens again.

FF/FG really in self destruct more ATM.

He'll be fine yet again. 3 Drogheda TDs trumps any of that party thing!

limerickabroad · 14-02-2020 10:27AM

Yurt! wrote: »

I'll also make the prediction that the candidate elected from the County Limerick constituency will be a problem child for them. He's not a guy that will make the Dean's list in the near future shall we say.

The guy in Limerick County didn't get elected in the end? Although you're right, from what I've heard too, he might have been, ahem, an interesting TD if he had been elected . . .

JohnnyFlash · 14-02-2020 10:27AM

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

Might want to hit that hay Paddy, sounds like you've had one too many :pac:

I’d say he has a roaring hangover.

He does make a point though in his own way. The same standards apply to members of SF as they do to other parties. Can’t get a free pass on this stuff now.

We need to ascertain what the rent arrears she owes are, and why she found herself in this situation.

Yurt2 · 14-02-2020 10:30AM

limerickabroad wrote: »

The guy in Limerick County didn't get elected in the end? Although you're right, from what I've heard too, he might have been, ahem, an interesting TD if he had been elected . . .

Ah right, thought he got over the line. But they should probably view that one as a long term win that he didn't get elected.

is_that_so · 14-02-2020 10:35AM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

I’d say he has a roaring hangover.

He does make a point though in his own way. The same standards apply to members of SF as they do to other parties. Can’t get a free pass on this stuff now.

We need to ascertain what the rent arrears she owes are, and why she found herself in this situation.

Somebody did make the point on one of these threads that many of their candidates have not been scrutinised in any way and that some information like this may emerge as the media dig. It's also likely that some voters just sought out the SF candidate regardless of who they were.
Link to the story and yeah it's The Sun.

https://www.thesun.ie/news/5096652/sinn-fein-violet-anne-wynne-charity-rent-arrears/

Yurt2 · 14-02-2020 10:39AM

is_that_so wrote: »

Somebody did make the point on one of these threads that many of their candidates have not been scrutinised in any way and that some information like this may emerge as the media dig. It's also likely that some voters just sought out the SF candidate regardless of who they were.
Link to the story and yeah it's The Sun.

https://www.thesun.ie/news/5096652/sinn-fein-violet-anne-wynne-charity-rent-arrears/

The wouldn't be the only party among the big 3 that have failed to do their due diligence in fairness. Every party throws up at least half a dozen galaxy brains at election time.

is_that_so · 14-02-2020 10:43AM

Yurt! wrote: »

The wouldn't be the only party among the big 3 that have failed to do their due diligence in fairness.

Not sure that's true, most of the FF & FG TDs have already been in the Dail, are covered under SIPO and FG did that disclosure warning to candidates. This is a very bad thing to miss, especially about standards in public office. Then there's the poor optics of €96K in a council house!

Edgware · 14-02-2020 10:52AM

Sinn Fein won the " popular vote" Big deal.This is a democracy and if other parties have enough votes to elect a government it's tough luck on Sinn Fein.
When they have 51% of the seats they can call the
shots ( no pun intended)
In the meantime they can only try and persuade others to support them for government.
Playing the "poor Sinn Fein we're being victimised" card might work with the dysfunctional crew north of the border but it's not going to work in the Republic

Loafing Oaf · 14-02-2020 11:18AM

LeinsterDub wrote: »

Where will they find the 10 plus votes they need if the Greens say no?

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Trizo · 14-02-2020 11:21AM

Grayson Tasty Springboard wrote: »

Eoin O Brion making a right fool of himself on newstalk this morning. Talking absolute rubbish, basically lying, unable to address questions. Sums up SF really. Some of the stuff he came out with was absolutely comical.

Heard the interview this morning ,
Can’t say if he was lying only he knows that but he certainly was evasive and didn’t want to answer the question, didn’t come out of it well at all. Claimed he didn’t know about the story or the issue.

The more alarming aspect was his questioning the veracity of the story (by his own admission not knowing about it) based on the publication which basically amounted to an attack on the free press something his previous Dear Leader Gerry has form for. The Head of the charity (that’s now gone bust) even came out saying that the SF TD Violet-Anne Wynne owed I think 12K in arrears to the housing charity.

Her Anti Vax stuff just makes her look like SF’s answer to Gemma O'Doherty. Just shows though a lot of people didn’t know that candidates that they were voting for but saw the SF logo and gave them a vote.

The more airtime these SF TD’s get the more scrutiny they will come under, can only be a good thing IMO.

Plumbthedepths · 14-02-2020 11:22AM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Accompanied by a ridiculously expensive shopping list, but heyho it's only taxpayers money.

Loafing Oaf · 14-02-2020 11:26AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Accompanied by a ridiculously expensive shopping list, but heyho it's only taxpayers money.

Hey people in Kerry and Tipperary pay tax too. Well, a little bit...

LeinsterDub · 14-02-2020 11:27AM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

That's 4

Elmer Blooker · 14-02-2020 11:30AM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Mary Lou said on the BBC that those people have gone away. They served their purpose during the transition from military to politics. She told them that she is in charge now. I believe her.

Interesting that there was no mention whatsoever of an 'army council' after SF performed poorly in the Local Elections. :rolleyes:

Loafing Oaf · 14-02-2020 11:35AM

LeinsterDub wrote: »

That's 4

A sample. Not even sure who the guy on the right is or if he's still in the Dail. Couldn't find a photo with them all in, which is probably a relief for people trying to keep their breakfasts down.

A fuller list of potential candidates: Shanahan, O'Donoghue, Collins, Grealish, Fitzpatrick, Naughten, McGrath, Murphy, Lowry, Healy Rae Cap, Healy Rae Beard

A veritable soccer team of parish-pump primers out there, just waiting for the call to ride to their nation's rescue...

McMurphy · 14-02-2020 11:40AM

bubblypop wrote: »

100% of people I know told FF & FG that they would not support them going into government with Sinn Fein.
They are keeping to their promises & you have to admire them for that.

If there is another GE, it's a long game for FF FG.
Let them sit back & watch Sinn Fein in government, see how long they last.

Sounds like SF and their abstention stance.

Gets ridiculed here week in/week out by many of FG cheerleaders in particular.

Discuss.

seamus · 14-02-2020 11:53AM

LeinsterDub wrote: »

That's 4

Well the Healy-Raes can apparently be in two places at once; attending an event in Kerry and swiping into Leinster house to claim expenses at the same time. So that's 6 votes.

Pintman Paddy Losty · 14-02-2020 12:01PM

McMurphy wrote: »

Sounds like SF and their abstention stance.

Gets ridiculed here week in/week out by many of FG cheerleaders in particular.

Discuss.

I think SF are right to abstain from Westminister. That's their policy platform. Would never encourage them to go back on that which totally goes against their core values. Never suggested it, not even during brexit.

Water John · 14-02-2020 12:06PM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

The fella on the right, Michael Collins topped the poll in Cork South West.
Look those four guys are blueshirts!

Loafing Oaf · 14-02-2020 12:19PM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Mary Lou McDonald has said her preference was a government led by Sinn Fein without the other two. I know the parties of the left are a bit scattered into groups but there if not a majority government there is a minority one there so let them get that if they can.

SF has now definitively accepted that this can't happen
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/fianna-f%C3%A1il-arrogant-and-reckless-for-snubbing-sinn-f%C3%A9in-says-%C3%B3-broin-1.4173581?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnews%2Fpolitics%2Ffianna-f%25C3%25A1il-arrogant-and-reckless-for-snubbing-sinn-f%25C3%25A9in-says-%25C3%25B3-broin-1.4173581

Probably recognising that in encouraging SF to go down this road, FF and FG were setting an elephant trap for Mary Lou

Plumbthedepths · 14-02-2020 12:20PM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

A veritable soccer team of parish-pump primers out there, just waiting for the call to ride their nation...

FYP. ;-)

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