GE Exit Poll 10 pm

Seathrun66

shenanagans wrote: »

Again. It wasn't the man's personal opinion. It was apparently concerns voiced by senior Gardai.

Uncorroborated and anonymous.

Therefore made up.

Plumbthedepths

shenanagans wrote: »

Again. It wasn't the man's personal opinion. It was apparently concerns voiced by senior Gardai.

If Eoghan Harris told me tomorrow was Valentine's day I would consult a calendar just to be sure.

LeinsterDub

average_runner wrote: »

Because people are struggling enough already

That's not because of taxes. It's because the cost of living is so high.

olestoepoke

average_runner wrote: »

Because people are struggling enough already

Statement after statement with zero evidence.

shenanagans

Eamon Dunphy and others doing more damage to SF on Tonight Show.

Outlining why SF can't serve in Cabinet.

Idbatterim

shenanagans wrote: »

Eamon Dunphy and others doing more damage to SF on Tonight Show.

Outlining why SF can't serve in Cabinet.

He is saying people behind the scenes possibly pull the strings for personal gain and this doesn’t happen with ffg ? Lol !

shenanagans

olestoepoke wrote: »

Statement after statement with zero evidence.

If there was enough support we'd have already had a referendum. There isn't currently enough support. I think Mary Lou even knows that.... She wants to start planning for a referendum in future.....I'd imagine 5-10 year frame??

shenanagans

olestoepoke wrote: »

Statement after statement with zero evidence.

If there was enough support we'd have already had a referendum. There isn't currently enough support. I think Mary Lou even knows that.... She wants to start planning for a referendum in future.....I'd imagine 5-10 year frame??

Sir Oxman

shenanagans wrote: »

Eamon Dunphy and others doing more damage to SF on Tonight Show.

Outlining why SF can't serve in Cabinet.

Dunphy's speech was amazing if you didn't know how addled the man's mouthings and thinking are:
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/eamon-dunphy-defends-gerry-adams-over-jean-mcconville-murder-by-ira-30339635.html

So, the wind is blowing this way today - there's Eamonn!
Tomorrow, another day another bluffed up speech of bullsh1te.

shenanagans

Idbatterim wrote: »

He is saying people behind the scenes possibly pull the strings for personal gain and this doesn’t happen with ffg ? Lol !

A lot more than that was said.....

limnam

shenanagans wrote: »

Eamon Dunphy and others doing more damage to SF on Tonight Show.

Outlining why SF can't serve in Cabinet.

He's also partial to situational "up the ra"

He's also came on to live television p|ssed out of his head

I'm not sure he has the credibility to do anyone any harm

limnam

shenanagans wrote: »

A lot more than that was said.....

A lot of good it did pre-election

shenanagans

Sir Oxman wrote: »

Dunphy's speech was amazing if you didn't know how addled the man's mouthings and thinking are:
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/eamon-dunphy-defends-gerry-adams-over-jean-mcconville-murder-by-ira-30339635.html

Dunphy is a supporter of SF.....he has great respect for them......but that doesn't mean they're suitable for Cabinet (according to Dunphy)....

Sir Oxman

shenanagans wrote: »

Dunphy is a supporter of SF.....he has great respect for them......but that doesn't mean they're suitable for Cabinet (according to Dunphy)....

No he's not.
But read his most inner thoughts juts 6 years ago in the link I gave you.

limnam

shenanagans wrote: »

Dunphy is a supporter of SF.....he has great respect for them......but that doesn't mean they're suitable for Cabinet (according to Dunphy)....

His first sentence was

"I didn't support SF"

dxhound2005

Idbatterim wrote: »

He is saying people behind the scenes possibly pull the strings for personal gain and this doesn’t happen with ffg ? Lol !

Mary Lou said on the BBC that those people have gone away. They served their purpose during the transition from military to politics. She told them that she is in charge now. I believe her.

Idbatterim

Ffg see the people as the enemy but a necessary evil to stay in power and at the trough. If they care so much , why is health a shambles , ripoff childcare, rip off housing. Call me a conspiracy theorist, but maybe they are looking to enrich some people at the expense of the masses. I don’t care what is thrust at sf. I’ve never voted for them before last weeks vote. But ffg are an epic piss take. Absolutely laughable listening to them about prudence, competence etc. laughter lounge stuff. Sf have one thing that ffg don’t with their leaders, someone with balls. What’s ffg response to everything? Fly a kite

Fred Cryton

SF are an unholy alliance of provo sympathisers, welfare heads from inner Dublin and now young millennials completely brainwashed by their propaganda machine into thinking they'd get a free gaf.

Plumbthedepths

shenanagans wrote: »

If there was enough support we'd have already had a referendum. There isn't currently enough support. I think Mary Lou even knows that.... She wants to start planning for a referendum in future.....I'd imagine 5-10 year frame??

Under the GFA do you know the criteria for a border poll?

Plumbthedepths

Fred Cryton wrote: »

SF are an unholy alliance of provo sympathisers, welfare heads from inner Dublin and now young millennials completely brainwashed by their propaganda machine into thinking they'd get a free gaf.

Still spouting shyte?

dxhound2005

I am going to get a trough and a pram. Useful things to have around.

Blaze420

Yeah not a UI though cos that can **** off, a fever dream.

UDAWINNER

Fred Cryton wrote: »

SF are an unholy alliance of provo sympathisers, welfare heads from inner Dublin and now young millennials completely brainwashed by their propaganda machine into thinking they'd get a free gaf.

lay off the drugs and the drink, now head to bed. Let me guess, you voted FFG, because your parents told you to.

Suckit

Fred Cryton wrote: »

SF are an unholy alliance of provo sympathisers, welfare heads from inner Dublin and now young millennials completely brainwashed by their propaganda machine into thinking they'd get a free gaf.

https://www.thejournal.ie/sinn-fein-most-popular-party-age-groups-4998864-Feb2020/

efanton

average_runner wrote: »

Has to be vote down south also.
To get a united Ireland we would need our debt to the EU written off and a big handout from the uk.
Massive Grant's for infrastructure also

No not at all.

Do the numbers yourself and prove to yourself it isn't possible. You would actually find out not only is it possible but it would not cost anywhere close to what scaremongers are saying and actually cost us very little indeed.

When you eliminate the costs that the UK currently have that would not be relevant in a Untied Ireland the British subvention of 9.5 billion ( that is the current subvention it is not the 12 billion touted by some) would drop to just above 5 billion.

Those costs include
* the running and maintenance of the Stormont building and Stormont Executive £430 million

* Northern Ireland’s share of the UK’s defence budget, the Foreign and Commonwealth Office, and similar items is around €1.5bn.

* Consumption of fixed capital 2 billion
To put that into plain language this is accountant speak for depreciation on government property and assets.

Already we are down to just over 5 Billion.

But then you have to factor in other thing like Stormont executive does not collect a single penny in taxation. Every single penny of taxation goes straight to Westminster. There's 2 or 3 billion right there. Unfortunately I could never get hold of accurate figure for that, but considering the Republic of Ireland collected 17.5 Billion in VAT return last year 2 or 3 billion would be a extremely conservative estimate. Its likely to be much higher than that.
We havent even account for income tax but again no accurate figure can be got.

Then the icing on the cake. The 9.5 billion subvention that the British government gives to Stormont each year includes 6 Billion for pension payments.
Now how thats going to work in a United Ireland is unclear because the British government currently holds the pension reserves for those pension.
It could either be that the British government continues to pay those pensions in which case that 6 billion a year can be subtracted as a cost or those pension reserves would be transferred to the Irish government. Currently that fund is in significant surplus, so again the cost of existing pension can be subtracted.

Obviously there are going to be significant additional costs with regard to a United Ireland, amalgamation of all nation services, government, road signage, currency etc etc

BUT the truth is if the Irish people (both North and South) wanted a United Ireland tomorrow morning we could easily afford it, in fact it comes out to costing us as a nation on a yearly basis close to nothing. The big costs would be the actual transition but I cant see the UK not contributing to that, nor could I see the EU not ensuring there was not sufficient funds if they were necessary just for transitional measures.

The numbers are all there if you don't believe me. Everything number I have posted is publicly available. The simple truth is the scaremongering about the cost of a United Ireland is simply that scaremongering.

It took me a lot of time and effort to go through that process of gathering all those figure a couple of months back. I myself was shocked at how little it would cost us in the event of a United Ireland. The truth is if we want a United Ireland it more or less pays for itself.

Idbatterim

To hell with a United ireland, we have way bigger issues now and that is potentially decades off. The unionists could blow up a bag of crisps down here and that’s all it would take to derail it. Ludicrous !

efanton

Idbatterim wrote: »

To hell with a United ireland, we have way bigger issues now and that is potentially decades off. The unionists could blow up a bag of crisps down here and that’s all it would take to derail it. Ludicrous !

Why would it be ludicrous. A united Ireland could only happen if the Unionist actually wanted it. So if they wanted it why would they try to derail it.

Surely you have a better argument than that.

charlie14

Idbatterim wrote: »

To hell with a United ireland, we have way bigger issues now and that is potentially decades off. The unionists could blow up a bag of crisps down here and that’s all it would take to derail it. Ludicrous !

You were hoping over and back between SF and FG up to a few days before the election.
From reading the above it sounds as if you are perhaps still ensure even after, as you have said, opting for SF
I have always been of the opinion that SF`s primary political aim was, and still is, a United Ireland.

Loafing Oaf

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Still spouting shyte?

That's his single transferable post. I reckon he's Lucinda's cousin who can't even spell his own name...

Idbatterim

charlie14 wrote: »

You were hoping over and back between SF and FG up to a few days before the election.
From reading the above it sounds as if you are perhaps still ensure even after, as you have said, opting for SF
I have always been of the opinion that SF`s primary political aim was, and still is, a United Ireland.

Yeah I got into the polling booth and I couldn’t bring myself to vote fg again. Whether sf bring about change or hopefully force ffg to do it. It’s win / win. However , I think it’s totally unacceptable that is things now change , just because ffg got a kicking, well then what’s their excuse for all the damage they have done over the last few decades ? “ oh sorry, we didn’t need to be arsed, we had a duopoly?”