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Plumbthedepths · 13-02-2020 11:55PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

SD's would be better off getting a spread of candidates around the country before risking going in with the piranha's.

I think there'd be plenty of votes out there for them.

I think they have legitimacy to occupy the space vacated by Labour. Two intelligent and emphatic ladies leading the party.

L1011 · 13-02-2020 11:55PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Eoghan Harris? Are you pulling the p*as? That idiot was on the Hard Shoulder with Ivan Yates claiming SF were more dangerous than Hitler and the Nazis. He also claimed M Martin wouldn't look you in the face and tell a lie.

Harris was a member of pre-split SF/OSF/SFWP/Workers Party for decades and was one of their main PR/propaganda pushers.

His conversion to FF in the late 90s/early 00s is particularly strange, but he retained the distaste for PSF (SF as we'd know them now) from the old SF days. But rather a lot of his "recent" (past decade or more) commentary would make you think he was never inside the tent.

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I think they have legitimacy to occupy the space vacated by Labour. Two intelligent and emphatic ladies leading the party.

They're both 65/66; which is not really viable for remaining as leader through an (unlikely) 5 year Dáil.

dxhound2005 · 13-02-2020 11:57PM

UDAWINNER wrote: »

it's the indo, more scare mongering and more anti SF bs. Would use it only as toilet paper.

It's not totally useless. SF MEP's used this story to question Phil Hogan, when he was being installed as Commissioner. Responsible for a multi billion Euro budget and major issues like EU sanctions on agricultural trade with Russia. Just a coincidence that they published it on that particular day, and SF thought that was the most important thing to question him about.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/hogan-request-to-council-not-to-house-traveller-family-ignored-28814075.html

Plumbthedepths · 13-02-2020 11:58PM

shenanagans wrote: »

If I remember correct..... The article said several of the top Gardai voiced concerns ......it wasn't the author personal opinion.

Unnamed top Gardai are concerned writes Eoghan Harris yeah totally credible considering the author. Sarcasm btw.

UDAWINNER · 13-02-2020 11:58PM

shenanagans wrote: »

If I remember correct..... The article said several of the top Gardai voiced concerns ......it wasn't the author personal opinion.

were these the same gardai that shafted Maurice McCabe or Drews MI5 Buddies, I wonder. TBH, I 'd like to see their files on the Dublin and Monaghan Bombing released as I believe they have not due to political reasons.

shenanagans · 13-02-2020 11:59PM

Mary Lou on BBC talking up a "United Ireland"..

shenanagans · 14-02-2020 12:00AM

UDAWINNER wrote: »

were these the same gardai that shafted Maurice McCabe or Drews MI5 Buddies, I wonder. TBH, I 'd like to see their files on the Dublin and Monaghan Bombing released as I believe they have not due to political reasons.

No. These are 'top level Gardai''......not fools going around nailing rats to doors.

Plumbthedepths · 14-02-2020 12:01AM

L1011 wrote: »

Harris was a member of pre-split SF/OSF/SFWP/Workers Party for decades and was one of their main PR/propaganda pushers.

His conversion to FF in the late 90s/early 00s is particularly strange, but he retained the distaste for PSF (SF as we'd know them now) from the old SF days. But rather a lot of his "recent" (past decade or more) commentary would make you think he was never inside the tent.

They're both 65/66; which is not really viable for remaining as leader through an (unlikely) 5 year Dáil.

Why is their age an issue? I'm sure they have the energy to drive their party forward. Looks like they struck a chord with younger people to join their ranks.

UDAWINNER · 14-02-2020 12:01AM

shenanagans wrote: »

Mary Lou on BBC talking up a "United Ireland"..

why wouldn't she, its a part of their policy so should she lie about this.

dxhound2005 · 14-02-2020 12:02AM

UDAWINNER wrote: »

were these the same gardai that shafted Maurice McCabe or Drews MI5 Buddies, I wonder. TBH, I 'd like to see their files on the Dublin and Monaghan Bombing released as I believe they have not due to political reasons.

The same ones that probably saved the life of the new SF TD in Cavan. Who has a connection you may know of to another McCabe who ended up dead.

olestoepoke · 14-02-2020 12:04AM

shenanagans wrote: »

Mary Lou on BBC talking up a "United Ireland"..

And whats so terrible about that?

average_runner · 14-02-2020 12:05AM

olestoepoke wrote: »

And whats so terrible about that?

Majority doesn't want it. North wouldn't give up their benefits and south cant afford it

shenanagans · 14-02-2020 12:06AM

average_runner wrote: »

Majority doesn't want it. North wouldn't give up their benefits and south cant afford it

Very true.

olestoepoke · 14-02-2020 12:06AM

average_runner wrote: »

Majority doesn't want it. North wouldn't give up their benefits and south cant afford it

How do we know the majority doesn't want it?

average_runner · 14-02-2020 12:07AM

olestoepoke wrote: »

How do we know the majority doesn't want it?

Because majority aren't willing to pay more taxes than we already do

limnam · 14-02-2020 12:07AM

shenanagans wrote: »

Mary Lou on BBC talking up a "United Ireland"..

You almost sound surprised.

Mantis Toboggan · 14-02-2020 12:07AM

average_runner wrote: »

Majority doesn't want it. North wouldn't give up their benefits and south cant afford it

Well then there should be no fear of a border poll up north.

shenanagans · 14-02-2020 12:08AM

olestoepoke wrote: »

And whats so terrible about that?

Nothing terrible. It would mean a big fall in peoples standard of living here.

I saw on a boards survey earlier that 3% of people who voted SF are interested in a United Ireland.... probably not accurate....it could be as high as 5%

olestoepoke · 14-02-2020 12:08AM

average_runner wrote: »

Because majority aren't willing to pay more taxes than we already do

Again how do you know this? Any evidence to support these statements?

efanton · 14-02-2020 12:09AM

shenanagans wrote: »

There was an article in one of papers last week which stated how concerning it would be if SF got access to the dept of justice...... Given their links to crime and IRA background.

Thats all you have to go on. Someone's opinion.

Whats worse is of all the opnions you could have chosen you picked the most delusional idiot that Irish politics has ever seen.

Eohan Harris is the man you are talking about.

He absolutely slated John Hume over Hume's decision to hold talks with Sinn Féin prior to an IRA ceasefire. Harris urged the Irish government, at the time led by his friend John Bruton, to end all support for Hume's peace efforts. He wrote, "If we persist with the peace process it will end with sectarian slaughter in the North, with bombs in Dublin, Cork and Galway, and with the ruthless reign by provisional gangs over the ghettos of Dublin. The only way to avoid this abyss is to cut the cord to John Hume"

Well he called that one right didnt he.:rolleyes:

Also did you know he himself was an IRA man. He spent many years in British prisons for IRA activities.
Kind of ironic that someone who abhors anything to do with the IRA would enlist his support in an argument.

Seriously. You really need to stop and think before posting. Use you brain, make a considered and educated argument, but don't be making a complete and utter fool of yourself.

average_runner · 14-02-2020 12:09AM

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

Well then there should be no fear of a border poll up north.

Has to be vote down south also.
To get a united Ireland we would need our debt to the EU written off and a big handout from the uk.
Massive Grant's for infrastructure also

Suckit · 14-02-2020 12:09AM

average_runner wrote: »

Majority doesn't want it. North wouldn't give up their benefits and south cant afford it

Rugby Fans sing about it.

average_runner · 14-02-2020 12:11AM

olestoepoke wrote: »

Again how do you know this? Any evidence to support these statements?

Because people are struggling enough already

shenanagans · 14-02-2020 12:12AM

efanton wrote: »

Thats all you have to go on. Someone's opinion.

Whats worse is of all the opnions you could have chosen you picked the most delusional idiot that Irish politics has ever seen.

Eohan Harris is the man you are talking about.

He absolutely slated John Hume over Hume's decision to hold talks with Sinn Féin prior to an IRA ceasefire. Harris urged the Irish government, at the time led by his friend John Bruton, to end all support for Hume's peace efforts. He wrote, "If we persist with the peace process it will end with sectarian slaughter in the North, with bombs in Dublin, Cork and Galway, and with the ruthless reign by provisional gangs over the ghettos of Dublin. The only way to avoid this abyss is to cut the cord to John Hume"

Well he called that one right didnt he.:rolleyes:

Also did you know he himself was an IRA man. He spent many years in British prisons for IRA activities.
Kind of ironic that someone who abhors anything to do with the IRA would enlist his support in an argument.

Seriously. You really need to stop and think before posting. Use you brain, make a considered and educated argument, but don't be making a complete and utter fool of yourself.

Again. It wasn't the man's personal opinion. It was apparently concerns voiced by senior Gardai.

average_runner · 14-02-2020 12:12AM

Suckit wrote: »

Rugby Fans sing about it.

We sing we are going to win the world cup also.

UDAWINNER · 14-02-2020 12:13AM

shenanagans wrote: »

Again. It wasn't the man's personal opinion. It was apparently concerns voiced by senior Gardai.

unamed ones, probably talking to himself

shenanagans · 14-02-2020 12:14AM

UDAWINNER wrote: »

unamed ones, probably talking to himself

Perhaps. And maybe not!!

efanton · 14-02-2020 12:17AM

shenanagans wrote: »

Again. It wasn't the man's personal opinion. It was apparently concerns voiced by senior Gardai.

You do understand what quotes are for. These things " "

A senior Garda did not say what I quoted. Eohan Harris did.
So it wasnt someone else's opinion it was his opinion.

thequarefellow · 14-02-2020 12:22AM

average_runner wrote: »

We sing we are going to win the world cup also.

...as well as "You`ll never beet the Irish"

Seathrun66 · 14-02-2020 12:22AM

average_runner wrote: »

Majority doesn't want it. North wouldn't give up their benefits and south cant afford it

Polling consistently says the opposite. The Republic is strongly in favour, on average 65-70% so.

The last major poll in NI, by Lord Ashcroft in Sept 2019 showed 51% in favour or reunification. It'll happen, just a matter of timing.

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