new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

4068ac1elhodqr · 13-02-2020 05:16PM

Also in Ldn, someone marched out of a block of flats in Paddington by the Hazmats this morning.

One of the staff was said to have told bystanders there was 'a confirmed case in the building' and asked if people could refrain from taking pictures.
Then again the press will always be 'creative' with stories and headlines for weeks and months to come.

Kermit.de.frog · 13-02-2020 05:26PM

theguzman wrote: »

Chilling reading, we don't know the origin of this virus, but the spectre of it being manmade is all too possible to discount.

https://reason.com/2006/04/03/to-save-the-planet-kill-90-per/

I'd go with not man made but possibly manipulated and accidentally released.

You have to look at the measures China has taken and how urgently and widespread they were...you don't take those sort of really draconian measures unless its serious.

Because of the nature of Chinese governance it's hard to take anything 'official' seriously which adds to apprehension abroad.

If they formally requested major international assistance it would do a lot to dampen concerns.

gozunda · 13-02-2020 05:35PM

Department of Health currently examining ‘forced isolation’ of coronavirus patients according to the Irish Times

13-02-2020 05:49PM

I think it is probably time for public education broadcasts to begin. Here I am am simply going from past experience of viral respiratory illness in my 59 years, a lifelong keen interest in biology, and what I have been taking in; I conjecture some sort of broadcast to help people to differentiate their illness from less harmful viruses when it comes to prioritising medical care and prevent people unnecessarily into contact with infection:

Hypothetical type of broadcast...

“Are you miserable with a runny nose, pressure in your sinuses, but it feels like the horrible cold you got last year? - then you probably do just have a cold. Stay away from medical facilities unless you develop further symptoms.

Do you have a sudden onset of fever, aches and pains, a sense of exhaustion, and a dry cough? - you may have the seasonal influenza or you may possibly have CoVid-19. It is time to keep in touch with the doctor and your relatives, but avoid unnecessary physical contact.

Are you also short of breath, elderly, pregnant, young or have a chronic illness? Please seek medical advice today. If you are very ill, contact the ambulance service and advise of your symptoms.

Helpline Xxxx xxxx. Or visit www.xxxxxxxx. .ie etc”

There are probably people in some boardroom formulating this alongside us

pc7 · 13-02-2020 05:50PM

Deleted User wrote: »

There are probably people in some boardroom formulating this alongside us

I really hope so Cat!

13-02-2020 05:54PM

pc7 wrote: »

I really hope so Cat!

I’ll offer my services. I do believe there would be somebody in charge of monitoring social media to get a sense of how people are reacting, and this is the type of suggestion they might take into consideration.

13-02-2020 06:00PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I think it is probably time for public education broadcasts to begin. Here I am am simply going from past experience of viral respiratory illness in my 59 years, a lifelong keen interest in biology, and what I have been taking in; I conjecture some sort of broadcast to help people to differentiate their illness from less harmful viruses when it comes to prioritising medical care and prevent people unnecessarily into contact with infection:

Hypothetical type of broadcast...

“Are you miserable with a runny nose, pressure in your sinuses, but it feels like the horrible cold you got last year? - then you probably do just have a cold. Stay away from medical facilities unless you develop further symptoms.

Do you have a sudden onset of fever, aches and pains, a sense of exhaustion, and a dry cough? - you may have the seasonal influenza or you may possibly have CoVid-19. It is time to keep in touch with the doctor and your relatives, but avoid unnecessary physical contact.

Are you also short of breath, elderly, pregnant, young or have a chronic illness? Please seek medical advice today. If you are very ill, contact the ambulance service and advise of your symptoms.

Helpline Xxxx xxxx. Or visit www.xxxxxxxx. .ie etc”

There are probably people in some boardroom formulating this alongside us

It's 2020, my spartphone is over a 1000 times faster than the first computer I owned, and the camera on it is more sensitive than the Nikon DSLR I bought a few years ago.

Why, for fecks sake, is there not a Covid-19 hotline manned by doctors who you can video chat with and describe symptoms you have, before you go to the doctor and infect everyone else in the waiting room? Even if their diagnosis is inconclusive, they could email your boss a sicknote, saying "Dave will be self quarantining for a week due to possible Corona".

Oh yeah, shortage of doctors, blah blah, no joined up thinking, zero aptitude for preparedness blah blah.

Somedaythefire · 13-02-2020 06:02PM

Deleted User wrote: »

It's 2020, my spartphone is over a 1000 times faster than the first computer I owned, and the camera on it is more sensitive than the Nikon DSLR I bought a few years ago.

Why, for fecks sake, is there not a Covid-19 hotline manned by doctors who you can video chat with and describe symptoms you have, before you go to the doctor and infect everyone else in the waiting room? Even if their diagnosis is inconclusive, they could email your boss a sicknote, saying "Dave will be self quarantining for a week due to possible Corona".

Oh yeah, shortage of doctors, blah blah, no joined up thinking, zero aptitude for preparedness blah blah.

Laya have care on call, which is exactly this. Every time I get sick I use that rather than going to the doctors.

Kermit.de.frog · 13-02-2020 06:04PM

gozunda wrote: »

Department of Health currently examining ‘forced isolation’ of coronavirus patients according to the Irish Times

Why do they need legal changes!?

We don't have a government too.

gozunda · 13-02-2020 06:05PM

I see lots of people commenting on handwashing in the thread. Always good to remember that frequent hand washing (a very good idea btw) and the use of alcohol based handwashes can dry the skin excessively. This carries a risk of dry skin and chapped hands which may allow bacteria etc to get through the skin barrier.

Good idea to use a decent hand moisturiser regularly to prevent the skin from excessive drying.

gozunda · 13-02-2020 06:07PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Why do they need legal changes!?

We don't have a government too.

Dont know! Maybe for when Billy down the road refuses to play nicely and refuses to self quarantine?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Whichever government gets in are probably going to wish they hadn't - if this thing kicks off here ...

seamus · 13-02-2020 06:12PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Why do they need legal changes!?

Because forced isolation generally isn't a thing here.

You cannot force someone to attend hospital or stay there.

The hospital can attempt to go to court to try and save you from yourself, but in general if you are of remotely sound mind and can leave the hospital building, there's fvck all that hospital staff, Gardai or HSE can do about it, no matter what the consequences.

Kermit.de.frog · 13-02-2020 06:20PM

seamus wrote: »

Because forced isolation generally isn't a thing here.

You cannot force someone to attend hospital or stay there.

The hospital can attempt to go to court to try and save you from yourself, but in general if you are of remotely sound mind and can leave the hospital building, there's fvck all that hospital staff, Gardai or HSE can do about it, no matter what the consequences.

This is all a bit Irish isn't it? So we have no mechanism like every other country to deal with this?

So if it arrives tomorrow we cant forcibly quarantine?

lol, good luck folks.

13-02-2020 06:27PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It's 2020, my spartphone is over a 1000 times faster than the first computer I owned, and the camera on it is more sensitive than the Nikon DSLR I bought a few years ago.

Why, for fecks sake, is there not a Covid-19 hotline manned by doctors who you can video chat with and describe symptoms you have, before you go to the doctor and infect everyone else in the waiting room? Even if their diagnosis is inconclusive, they could email your boss a sicknote, saying "Dave will be self quarantining for a week due to possible Corona".

Oh yeah, shortage of doctors, blah blah, no joined up thinking, zero aptitude for preparedness blah blah.

An infectious diseases nurse specialist could do some of this stuff if we had enough of them. There needs to be a Dep of Health/HSE Twitter account giving sporadic helpful advice on symptoms. Would be quite comforting for somebody ill with a bad cold to feel reassured they probably don’t have CoVid-19. They couldn’t hope to respond to all queries, but monitoring would be very nice if you are horribly ill in bed and trying to keep out of physical contact with others. Maybe an official thread will be started on Talk To in Boards and other sites. This is the place for people in IT, communications and public health to get together.

MadYaker · 13-02-2020 06:30PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

This is all a bit Irish isn't it? So we have no mechanism like every other country to deal with this?

So if it arrives tomorrow we cant forcibly quarantine?

lol, good luck folks.

The Gardai are the only people who can forcibly detain anyone as far as I know? Thats the way it is in every country unless you live in a police state like China. It has barely spread through europe as things stand so I don't think such crazy measures are really needed. This is thread is full of alarmist nonsense. The world must be a very scary place for some of the people posting here.

13-02-2020 06:30PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

This is all a bit Irish isn't it? So we have no mechanism like every other country to deal with this?

So if it arrives tomorrow we cant forcibly quarantine?

lol, good luck folks.

Let them all out of Mountjoy and use it as a quarantine centre. The folks in there are used to enforcing things with keys and the lime

13-02-2020 06:31PM

MadYaker wrote: »

The Gardai are the only people who can forcibly detain anyone as far as I know? Thats the way it is in every country unless you live in a police state like China. It has barely spread through europe as things stand so I don't think such crazy measures are really needed. This is thread is full of alarmist nonsense. The world must be a very scary place for some of the people posting here.

Maybe, but it’s of enough interest for you to take a sniff at the thread

13-02-2020 06:34PM

gozunda wrote: »

I see lots of people commenting on handwashing in the thread. Always good to remember that frequent hand washing (a very good idea btw) and the use of alcohol based handwashes can dry the skin excessively. This carries a risk of dry skin and chapped hands which may allow bacteria etc to get through the skin barrier.

Good idea to use a decent hand moisturiser regularly to prevent the skin from excessive drying.

Some hand held incorporate a moisturiser. I had one beside me from Marks & Spencer.

gozunda · 13-02-2020 06:35PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

This is all a bit Irish isn't it? So we have no mechanism like every other country to deal with this?

So if it arrives tomorrow we cant forcibly quarantine?

lol, good luck folks.

The UK has just brought this in afaik ...

https://www.metro.news/coronavirus-threat-people-to-face-forced-isolation-in-uk/1906157/

Sierra Oscar · 13-02-2020 06:41PM

Top story on Bloomberg currently.

Coronavirus Could Infect Two-Thirds of Globe, Research Shows

BloodBath · 13-02-2020 06:42PM

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

Top story on Bloomberg currently.

Coronavirus Could Infect Two-Thirds of Globe, Research Shows

That should be a good enough headline to stop reading anything on bloomberg tbh. Scaremongering claptrap.

Maybe time to learn how a lot of the media operates. Fear over facts sells more than anything.

bodhrandude · 13-02-2020 06:44PM

BloodBath wrote: »

That should be a good enough headline to stop reading anything on bloomberg tbh. Scaremongering claptrap.

Its a paywall anyways.

Mic 1972 · 13-02-2020 06:48PM

So far the number of infected people has doubled on a weekly basis, it will interesting to see the count 1 week from now

bodhrandude · 13-02-2020 06:51PM

MadYaker wrote: »

The Gardai are the only people who can forcibly detain anyone as far as I know? Thats the way it is in every country unless you live in a police state like China. It has barely spread through europe as things stand so I don't think such crazy measures are really needed. This is thread is full of alarmist nonsense. The world must be a very scary place for some of the people posting here.

Just curious, what would it take for you to accept it as a grave situation, Glastonbury cancelled perhaps.

fritzelly · 13-02-2020 06:55PM

bodhrandude wrote: »

Its a paywall anyways.

http://archive.ph/SIqTI

To paraphrase it might or it might not

13-02-2020 06:58PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I’ll offer my services. I do believe there would be somebody in charge of monitoring social media to get a sense of how people are reacting, and this is the type of suggestion they might take into consideration.

I’ll take that social media monitoring job thank you very much.

London Underground this morning

cnocbui · 13-02-2020 07:00PM

gozunda wrote: »

I see lots of people commenting on handwashing in the thread. Always good to remember that frequent hand washing (a very good idea btw) and the use of alcohol based handwashes can dry the skin excessively. This carries a risk of dry skin and chapped hands which may allow bacteria etc to get through the skin barrier.

Good idea to use a decent hand moisturiser regularly to prevent the skin from excessive drying.

The stuff I got from Lidl has Aloe Vera in it along with the 73.5% Ethanol.

ThePopehimself · 13-02-2020 07:04PM

MadYaker wrote: »

The Gardai are the only people who can forcibly detain anyone as far as I know? Thats the way it is in every country unless you live in a police state like China. It has barely spread through europe as things stand so I don't think such crazy measures are really needed. This is thread is full of alarmist nonsense. The world must be a very scary place for some of the people posting here.

No.
They changed the law in the UK 3 days ago in order to force Quarantine where necessary.
Police in the UK will be able to HANDCUFF suspected coronavirus patients and force them back into or into quarantine where necessary.
The UK Health Secretary Matt Hancock sanctioned the new law as he felt Covid 19 is a 'serious and imminent threat' to the British public.
The announcement has given the government powers to forcibly quarantine victims.

The UK seem happy with the 'Crazy measures'.

cameramonkey · 13-02-2020 07:06PM

MadYaker wrote: »

The Gardai are the only people who can forcibly detain anyone as far as I know?

What about mental hospitals?

fritzelly · 13-02-2020 07:08PM

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

I’ll take that social media monitoring job thank you very much.

London Underground this morning

The look from your man

new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

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