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Plumbthedepths · 13-02-2020 11:58AM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

FF also have a responsibility to try and form a government with SF. The State doesn’t have time for this bullshït. This is big boy stuff, lads. The armchair punditry isn’t going to cut it anymore.

As does FG, never heard of any party canvassing to go into opposition Johnny. Spin it how you like lad but sure as night follows day if another GE is called your crew along with others that left the pitch will suffer.

Idbatterim · 13-02-2020 11:59AM

given what threat SF are to the sterling work FFG have done here over the last decades, given that they obviously put country above all else, why hasnt this FFG C&S or coalition already been sorted?

seamus · 13-02-2020 11:59AM

Cat's going to be among the pigeons when FF & FG sit down to talk with SF.

All the shinners here seem to think it's a dead cert that Leo and Martin will hang up on Mary-Lou when she calls.

Martin has already said that he's open to it. Leo has said he'll do a "wait and see".

Will the SF panic go up a notch when it looks like SF in government is an actual possibility?

LeinsterDub · 13-02-2020 12:00PM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

FF also have a responsibility to try and form a government with SF. The State doesn’t have time for this bullshït. This is big boy stuff, lads. The armchair punditry isn’t going to cut it anymore.

So all the times you said SF you clearly meant FF? Gotcha !

Sweet.Science · 13-02-2020 12:01PM

Lets get ready to vote again
Its over to you Sinn Fein
Run more candidates and get the big gig

Stevieluvsye · 13-02-2020 12:02PM

McMurphy wrote: »

You just repeated what I've been saying since before the election now:D

So SF might be going in as the opposition party while FFG tear themselves apart, or actually work together and implement change and reform in housing and health as they've been promising - forced to, by SF.

Or its back to the polls where the shinners could further erode their vote share.

SF would be raging at that scenario why exactly?

It's a win win for them no matter what.

It's their bullsh!t manifesto is what is the problem. Best thing for them is another vote, field more candidates and adjust manifesto accordingly

LeinsterDub · 13-02-2020 12:02PM

seamus wrote: »

Cat's going to be among the pigeons when FF & FG sit down to talk with SF.

All the shinners here seem to think it's a dead cert that Leo and Martin will hang up on Mary-Lou when she calls.

Martin has already said that he's open to it. Leo has said he'll do a "wait and see".

Will the SF panic go up a notch when it looks like SF in government is an actual possibility?

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/mary-lou-mcdonald-contacts-micheal-martin-for-government-formation-talks-981474.html
https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2020/0213/1114963-sinn-fein-talks/

Current state of play SF have contacted FF. FF are still sitting on the fence

Loafing Oaf · 13-02-2020 12:04PM

Idbatterim wrote: »

why hasnt this FFG C&S or coalition already been sorted?

Massive resistance to it within FF ranks. The blockers will have to be faced with a stark choice between such a deal and another GE before it happens.

Stevieluvsye · 13-02-2020 12:05PM

Martin is on thin ice here. Wouldn't be shocked if he is next to go

Idbatterim · 13-02-2020 12:06PM

seamus wrote: »

Cat's going to be among the pigeons when FF & FG sit down to talk with SF.

All the shinners here seem to think it's a dead cert that Leo and Martin will hang up on Mary-Lou when she calls.

Martin has already said that he's open to it. Leo has said he'll do a "wait and see".

Will the SF panic go up a notch when it looks like SF in government is an actual possibility?

no, because sticking with the other two fools wasnt an option. I think many want to see now, what will happen. Because nothing being delivered by the other two, is why we are here. Even if it was FFG again, try another few years of doing nothing. Honestly this SF is good news for all!

Loafing Oaf · 13-02-2020 12:06PM

seamus wrote: »

FG sit down to talk with SF.

:rolleyes:

Yes that's very much in prospect

McMurphy · 13-02-2020 12:07PM

seamus wrote: »

Cat's going to be among the pigeons when FF & FG sit down to talk with SF.

All the shinners here seem to think it's a dead cert that Leo and Martin will hang up on Mary-Lou when she calls.

Martin has already said that he's open to it. Leo has said he'll do a "wait and see".

Will the SF panic go up a notch when it looks like SF in government is an actual possibility?

Did he?

Micheál Martin will not reverse stance on ruling out Sinn Féin

Rock and hard place for MM and Leo, it was monumentally stupid for both of them to categorically rule out talking to anyone before the election imo, they have engineered their own position in the corner.

JohnnyFlash · 13-02-2020 12:08PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

As does FG, never heard of any party canvassing to go into opposition Johnny. Spin it how you like lad but sure as night follows day if another GE is called your crew along with others that left the pitch will suffer.

You want FG in power as you’re terrified of the idea of SF being in coalition. Love how ye lads are suddenly so keen on the blueshirts being back in Government.

Deep down most of you don’t want a SF majority or leading a coalition either.

That’s not going to wash now though. Hundreds of thousands of people voted for SF. They didn’t do that so SF could sit around scratching their collective hole and giving out about everything.

They always tell us they are republicans. Now they need to stand up and do right by the Republic (or Free State bastards if you get a few jars into them).

McMurphy · 13-02-2020 12:17PM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

You want FG in power as you’re terrified of the idea of SF being in coalition. Love how ye lads are suddenly so keen on the blueshirts being back in Government.

Deep down most of you don’t want a SF majority or leading a coalition either.

That’s not going to wash now though. Hundreds of thousands of people voted for SF. They didn’t do that so SF could sit around scratching their collective hole and giving out about everything.

They always tell us they are republicans. Now they need to stand up and do right by the Republic (or Free State bastards if you get a few jars into them).

https://twitter.com/GerryAdamsSF/status/1227913343689560064?s=19

Edgware · 13-02-2020 12:18PM

Stevieluvsye wrote: »

They are raging they did so well. They know if they fcuk up any government they could/will be in, that's them done for the next 20 years!

How could they possibly fcuk up?
You do realise that those magic beans did a great job for Jack in the Beanstalk?

rolling boh · 13-02-2020 12:19PM

Think either of Ff or Fg would be mad to go in with Sf policies to far apart would probably leave them with about 20 seats next time .Even if one of them got involved with a dolly mixture set up the other would be delighted as they would have a free run in opposition.

LeinsterDub · 13-02-2020 12:19PM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

You want FG in power as you’re terrified of the idea of SF being in coalition. Love how ye lads are suddenly so keen on the blueshirts being back in Government.

Deep down most of you don’t want a SF majority or leading a coalition either.

That’s not going to wash now though. Hundreds of thousands of people voted for SF. They didn’t do that so SF could sit around scratching their collective hole and giving out about everything.

They always tell us they are republicans. Now they need to stand up and do right by the Republic (or Free State bastards if you get a few jars into them).

When the names in your post are interchangeable your post is pure nonsense.

Example A :
You want SF in power as you’re terrified of the idea of FF/FG being in coalition. Love how ye lads are suddenly so keen on the provos being in Government.

Deep down most of you don’t want a FF/FG a coalition either.

That’s not going to wash now though. Hundreds of thousands of people voted for FF/FG . They didn’t do that so FF/FG could sit around scratching their collective hole and giving out about everything.

dxhound2005 · 13-02-2020 12:25PM

SF are the experts at waiting around for other parties to lose, so they can get in at the top. That's why they refused to be part of any negotiations in 2016. And it is how they and the DUP wore down the middle ground in the North.

When they got power there, they simply carried on with the policies which they raged against when the SDLP and UUP had the reins. I expect they will try to force another election now. Whether they have any more worthwhile candidates remains to be seen.

Plumbthedepths · 13-02-2020 12:34PM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

You want FG in power as you’re terrified of the idea of SF being in coalition. Love how ye lads are suddenly so keen on the blueshirts being back in Government.

Deep down most of you don’t want a SF majority or leading a coalition either.

That’s not going to wash now though. Hundreds of thousands of people voted for SF. They didn’t do that so SF could sit around scratching their collective hole and giving out about everything.

They always tell us they are republicans. Now they need to stand up and do right by the Republic (or Free State bastards if you get a few jars into them).

Johnny you even quoted my post, where did I say I want FG in power? What I did allude to is they have a responsibility.

Suckit · 13-02-2020 12:38PM

FG keep spouting the exact same line, from Leo, Helen McEntee, Coveney and the lot on here. But when questioned about it, they all alter their stance. Funny to watch, but shows incompetence (which is nothing new for them).
That is, the people voted them out, and clearly didn't want them in. The onus is on SF to form a government etc. (If they want to keep that line, they'll have to change it to FF for obvious reasons).
"Clearly"? There was no clear majority here. FG only lost the majority of votes, even less if you count that they were only up in the first place because many were just voting against FF. FG showing no respect for the almost half a million people that voted for them by pretty much refusing to enter government with anyone, and to only enter as opposition.

Before the election, Varadkar said that he was open to confidence and supply agreement - even if the shoe was on the other foot.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/varadkar-open-to-confidence-and-supply-agreement-with-ff-even-if-the-shoe-was-on-the-other-foot-950529.html
Yet seems that was just another line for the voters.

I wouldn't like to see them in, even if it means it would be a forced change, but it is good to let their voters see their flip flopping.

McMurphy · 13-02-2020 12:41PM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

SF are the experts at waiting around for other parties to lose, so they can get in at the top. .

What political geniuses, truly in a field of their own in that regards.

FG are the default opposition party in this state however, and you just described their M.O so am unsure if you're saying the shinners are emulating their electioneering strategy or what?

Idbatterim · 13-02-2020 12:43PM

HANG ON! FG only had nine years, they say everything takes time, why arent they back in there then, to finish the job? :rolleyes:

Loafing Oaf · 13-02-2020 12:45PM

Suckit wrote: »

FG keep spouting the exact same line, from Leo, Helen McEntee, Coveney and the lot on here. But when questioned about it, they all alter their stance. Funny to watch, but shows incompetence (which is nothing new for them).
That is, the people voted them out, and clearly didn't want them in. The onus is on SF to form a government etc. (If they want to keep that line, they'll have to change it to FF for obvious reasons).
"Clearly"? There was no clear majority here. FG only lost the majority of votes, even less if you count that they were only up in the first place because many were just voting against FF. FG showing no respect for the almost half a million people that voted for them by pretty much refusing to enter government with anyone, and to only enter as opposition.

Before the election, Varadkar said that he was open to confidence and supply agreement - even if the shoe was on the other foot.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/varadkar-open-to-confidence-and-supply-agreement-with-ff-even-if-the-shoe-was-on-the-other-foot-950529.html
Yet seems that was just another line for the voters.

I wouldn't like to see them in, even if it means it would be a forced change, but it is good to let their voters see their flip flopping.

As I and others have said, a lot of posturing going on by FG at the moment. If a scenario arises where FF have definitively ruled out any deal with SF and approach FG with a serious offer that becomes the only game in town, are your seriously telling me FG would turn that down and trigger another election?

rob316 · 13-02-2020 12:52PM

I can only see another election to be honest and its a huge risk for all 3 parties.

Plumbthedepths · 13-02-2020 12:53PM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

As I and others have said, a lot of posturing going on by FG at the moment. If a scenario arises where FF have definitively ruled out any deal with SF and approach FG with a serious offer that becomes the only game in town, are your seriously telling me FG would turn that down and trigger another election?

Seem to be ruling it out.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/miche%C3%A1l-martin-will-not-reverse-stance-on-ruling-out-sinn-f%C3%A9in-1.4171836?mode=amp

Suckit · 13-02-2020 12:55PM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

As I and others have said, a lot of posturing going on by FG at the moment. If a scenario arises where FF have definitively ruled out any deal with SF and approach FG with a serious offer that becomes the only game in town, are your seriously telling me FG would turn that down and trigger another election?

I'm not telling you anything other than FG keep repeating the same line.

"The people voted against us, The people clearly voted SF in"
Of the actual turnout (62.9%), only 3.66% more voted for SF over FG. That's a lot less than 100,000 voters.

FG need to get over it, and stop crying into their cornflakes.
Their voters are watching them, as is everybody else. Anyone that may have been deciding to vote for them in the future, would surely be convinced not to with this performance.
They'll want to keep those voters when Leo gets the boot for delivering their 2nd worst performance in an election ever.
If they alienate those too, it may be a long haul to get back to the dizzying heights of leading a c&s.

McMurphy · 13-02-2020 12:56PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Seem to be ruling it out.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/miche%C3%A1l-martin-will-not-reverse-stance-on-ruling-out-sinn-f%C3%A9in-1.4171836?mode=amp

Back to the polls so?

I don't think Leo/Michaél will exactly relish that prospect, but looks like the most likely outcome.

In saying that FF due to meet up this afternoon, will Some of their lot have the knives out for Michaél?

rafatoni · 13-02-2020 12:58PM

McMurphy wrote: »

Back to the polls so?

I don't think Leo/Michaél will exactly relish that prospect, but looks like the most likely outcome.

In saying that FF due to meet up this afternoon, will Some of their lot have the knives out for Michaél?

Last chance saloon for him now is a FF/FG grand coalition.

Yurt2 · 13-02-2020 12:58PM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

As I and others have said, a lot of posturing going on by FG at the moment. If a scenario arises where FF have definitively ruled out any deal with SF and approach FG with a serious offer that becomes the only game in town, are your seriously telling me FG would turn that down and trigger another election?

My instinct is they don't know themselves, there's enough in the party that would baulk at it (and we know this from the media) that it will surely cause an unholy and very public row within the party.

In their hubris, I don't think they ever built into their post-election planning that the only option that they possibly were leaving themselves was to anoint Martin Taoiseach and play Dougal to Fianna Fáil's Ted.

It is so unpalatable to many of them that the ditch looks like a pretty good spot and they're enthusiastically planning what to do with all their extra free time.

Remember folks, Fine Gael are the party of responsibility and competence. It's not exactly true, but they're hoping if they repeat it enough times, they'll get people to believe it.

rob316 · 13-02-2020 12:59PM

rafatoni wrote: »

Last chance saloon for him now is a FF/FG grand coalition.

Word from most of FG is they are off to opposition benches and will rebuild as actual rivals of FF.

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