new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Is it though? If only china had started the quarantine after only 5 cases. Seems like theres more chance of countries getting it under control sooner when measures like that are implemented quickly.

It would have been considered brash and premature. Only when it was serious was quaratine implemented and by then it was too late. Its nothing unique to China it is how it will work in every other country too where this happens. The case in Vietnam happened only because the town is small. If it was 5 cases in a big city it would not be quaratined

Hubei Ncov figures are late

Wibbs wrote: »

To be fair to the Chinese on the ground, they're in the middle of winter and see mostly older, already health compromised patients coming down with pneumonia, it wouldn't register something new was afoot for a while. Probably only when they noticed a definite upswing in new patients presenting with same. Whatever about the porkies the Chinese government tend to weave, I doubt other nations would have been any quicker and very few could shut down a city of ten million when they did spot it.

No, I agree with you.

The Chinese took the hit so the rest of us didn't have to.

GooglePlus wrote: »

They only had to adopt such measures because they ignored early warnings and let it spread like wildfire.

It's being contained relatively well in western countries.

Relatively well doesn't cut.

GooglePlus wrote: »

No, I agree with you.

The Chinese took the hit so the rest of us didn't have to.

They might have took the hit...but in fairness it did originate there...like SARS did as well (I think?)

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

Not supressed the information? Not have the police tell doctors not to do their job?

The first weeks are the most important, those are the weeks you don't let everybody in giant city walk around obliviously spreading it until it gets to the point where you have to lock the whole country in their homes?

Btw while locking everyone in their homes may or may not help us, it is a potential disaster in itself and I believe there will be a lot of horror revealed when the dust settles.

So it's not just 'good for them, thankfully they have total power and can order anything they want', ye wouldn't see that kind of organisation in ireland! And under a cloud of darkness, and haven't even let the WHO in yet? What more could you ask for?

Serious whitewash over the last few days.

He was referring to the Western response.

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

Not supressed the information? Not have the police tell doctors not to do their job?

The first weeks are the most important, those are the weeks you don't let everybody in giant city walk around obliviously spreading it until it gets to the point where you have to lock the whole country in their homes?

Btw while locking everyone in their homes may or may not help us, it is a potential disaster in itself and I believe there will be a lot of horror revealed when the dust settles.

So it's not just 'good for them, thankfully they have total power and can order anything they want, ye wouldn't see that kind of organisation in ireland! And under a cloud of complete darkness, haven't even let the WHO in yet. What more could you ask for?'

Serious whitewash over the last few days.

Google said

It's being contained relatively well in western countries.

You replied "Relatively well doesn't cut it"

What should western countries have done better?

I agree it was handled badly by the Chinese bit I believe they are doing their best now to get a hold of it and stop it's spread.

GooglePlus wrote: »

They only had to adopt such measures because they ignored early warnings and let it spread like wildfire.

It's being contained relatively well in western countries.

Is it though? Even with the early warning it's a tough virus to detect and stop spreading. We won't know how well it's being 'contained' for another month.

fritzelly wrote: »

Slightly off topic...while waiting for the Doomsday figurese
Does anyone think this may make countries less reliant on China as a supply chain?

I doubt it. We'll hopefully be back to normal in 6 months time. I think/hope it's been caught in time. Cases in the West are only popping up in single figures without a building escalation and authorities do seem to appreciate the potential seriousness and are taking action. They may look a bit like a collection of ducks, gliding along, but beneath the waterline I am sure there is furious paddling going on we don't see.

I have to hand it to the Chinese, they have come down on this like a ton of bricks. The figures may be utterly fictitious, but I can't see what more they could have done. If their robust efforts do manage to contain the spread, we owe them a huge debt of gratitude for saving our bacon.

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Google said



You replied "Relatively well doesn't cut it"

What should western countries have done better?

I agree it was handled badly by the Chinese bit I believe they are doing their best now to get a hold of it and stop it's spread.

Yea no I got it mixed up. Someone else had recently mentioned it likely not being much different in any other country with a new disease like this which was in my head as well.

That's a solid woopsie from me. But I stand by my point

So tonight I had a long and serious discussion with both my parents who are both recently retired within the last 12-24 months. Both are late-60's.

My mother in particular is extremely high risk in the event of contracting 2019-nCov, she suffers from COPD and is a former smoker. Almost 10 years ago she quit smoking after one month in hospital including several days in ICU on Oxygen. My father has good lungs but suffers from high-Blood pressure but is in far better health than my mother despite being older.

I am extremely concerned and it is almost 100% certain if my mother was to contract this virus it will kill her.

My mother and father thankfully have agreed to go into voluntary isolation quarantine as soon as the first confirmed case arrives in Ireland, this is a matter of when and not if in my own opinion.

We are lucky in that we own an extremely remote property, my mothers homeplace and the house itself in in liveable condition with power, heating etc. Our plan is both my parents will go to that house for as long as is absolutely necessary, avoiding contact with others is the only way to survive.

This absolute isolation is my mothers only hope should it come into Ireland. Tomorrow we will start preparing there with supplies, 3 months worth of medicine, luckily the lpg tank was recently filled with gas as it has gas heating. This house is over 0.75km from the public road and 3kms from the nearest occupied house. It gives brilliant isolation.

If an outbreak comes I will print off and laminate signs warning people to keep back that those living there are infected, and we will lock the gates. We will stock up with things like flour, potatoes, powdered milk, and remove food from their normal house to this location. The lists here have been very helpful thus far. The house is located on the family farm where my father goes daily anyway to and has its own water from the farm. In an apocalypse type situation we will assume no electricity, so freezer's wont be any good.

Both my parents were into their late teens and twenties before power arrived so they know life without electricity. I will fill a few 5 gallon drums of Diesel which can be stored to run the car for news reports or to charge a mobile phone from the cigar lighter in the very worst case scenario.

Basically planning for the worst and hoping for the best, if the SHTF both my parents will hopefully have 3 months before they'd resort to having to butcher any of the animals.

Even if it came into Ireland it could takes weeks before we'd see a Wuhan style situation so early isolation is key. My mother and father are comparing it already to stories from their respective parents of World War 2 with rationing etc.

By getting my parents into isolation, I can also self-isolate in their new house if required, it is in a far less secure location from the point of view of looting. I have a holiday to South America booked for myself and a friend so if Ireland got infected we could wait it out over there or else stay home and not travel to begin with.

My points thus far.

Don't panic, educate yourself, make informed choices
Do prepare, do buy essential items, these might increase in price anyway in a less serious situation e.g. a winter flu type situation, you'd have just paid it ahead and might save money in the long run. Think of a full larder of food as money in the bank. Don't buy stuff you don't normally eat anyway.
We are lucky that we are facing this as spring is arriving as the days get longer and temps increase.