new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

ardinn · 12-02-2020 05:44PM

car_radio19834 wrote: »

Markets in US still hitting all time highs. They seem unfazed by this.

If the U.S. can keep cases low, industry should boom, china is pretty much fúcked for the next 3 to 5 years already.

ObiTwoKenobi · 12-02-2020 05:47PM

Outrageous. It's that sort of ignorance that will spread this thing far and wide. Does anyone else here feel that the HSE and other authorities are asleep at the wheel? What screening is there at airports? Sure we have no direct flight to/from China, but it is just one connection away.

ObiTwoKenobi · 12-02-2020 05:49PM

Apologies previous post was re the classroom - should have quoted it

givyjoe · 12-02-2020 05:49PM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Yeah talking about foods to keep them going, fortifying homes, spices and vitamins that will save them (lol) etc. In a country with zero confirmed cases. Bit premature dont you think? Yeah it's useful alright, at spreading anxiety and fear. More useful would be discussing hygiene methods to help prevent it spreading.

Prepping lists of things to buy if you are unable to get to the shop/shouldn't because you are infections, is useful at spreading anxiety or fear? Are you that nervous a person or what? Not considering what to do in such a situation (food, cleaning, whatever), considering the virus is incredibly infectious and running rampant in China, is really shortsighted to be honest. Why wouldn't you consider such preparation? We don't have a case yet, we will at some point. Its absolutely inevitable based upon on what we know of the virus already, i.e. incredibly infectious, asymptomatic carriers etc.

Your logic is more than a bit flawed to be honest, if we dont have any cases here and shouldn't consider foods to eat if we're stuck at home, why would we bother considering hygiene methods to stop its spread, seen as we dont have any cases here

ceadaoin. · 12-02-2020 05:50PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

I don't think it's panic to have 2 weeks' worth of supplies in the house, should you self quarantine.
The stuff isn't going to end up in the bin, it has long shelf life and will be cycled through.

Hand gels etc are good to have regardless to stop you picking up coronavirus or just run of the mill stuff.

Yeah I've done that myself, bought some extra food and hand sanitisers/bleach just in case I dont want to go out too often in the event of widespread infection where I am. I live in a country that has had cases so I feel that's more cautious preparation than panic. In the meantime, life goes on as usual.

I was more talking about the slightly hysterical posts about securing your home in the event of a walking dead style society collapse, getting months worth of supplies and crackpot theories about turmeric and vitamin c etc.

ObiTwoKenobi · 12-02-2020 05:51PM

Seems like a lot of pharmaceuticals come from China, not to mention the manufacture of just about everything else, so the effects will not be isolated to China.

auspicious · 12-02-2020 05:51PM

Meanwhile Russia is putting penitentiary inmates to making grade quality masks and Putin has suggested stripping licences off pharmacies if they increase price of masks.
They are checking flight passengers temperatures e.g. flights from Prague to Moscow.
India are checking 29 airports and have checked over 1100 flights so far.

A Dublin based company has developed a test which can confirm infection in patients in 60 mins. It's being fast-tracked to China for clinical evaluation.

ceadaoin. · 12-02-2020 05:54PM

givyjoe wrote: »

Prepping lists of things to buy if you are unable to get to the shop/shouldn't because you are infections, is useful at spreading anxiety or fear? Are you that nervous a person or what? Not considering what to do in such a situation (food, cleaning, whatever), considering the virus is incredibly infectious and running rampant in China, is really shortsighted to be honest. Why wouldn't you consider such preparation? We don't have a case yet, we will at some point. Its absolutely inevitable based upon on what we know of the virus already, i.e. incredibly infectious, asymptomatic carriers etc.

Your logic is more than a bit flawed to be honest, if we dont have any cases here and shouldn't consider foods to eat if we're stuck at home, why would we bother considering hygiene methods to stop its spread, seen as we dont have any cases here

See my post above. I dont see anything wrong with getting a few extra supplies of food cleaning products. I've done it myself. I'm just seeing a slightly hysterical edge to some posts is all, and people just refusing the accept that this may not be that bad at all.

Also you'd be amazed at the amount of people who seemingly dont know basic hygiene practices. If everyone did then any virus or illness would have a harder time spreading. It's still the best way to not get coronavirus, or any virus . No amount of vitamin c will protect you if you dont wash your hands

ardinn · 12-02-2020 05:57PM

auspicious wrote: »

Meanwhile Russia is putting penitentiary inmates to making grade quality masks and Putin has suggested stripping licences off pharmacies if they increase price of masks.
They are checking flight passengers temperatures e.g. flights from Prague to Moscow.
India are checking 29 airports and have checked over 1100 flights so far.

A Dublin based company has developed a test which can confirm infection in patients in 60 mins. It's being fast-tracked to China for clinical evaluation.

All good things

s7ryf3925pivug · 12-02-2020 05:58PM

ardinn wrote: »

And also also

To completely reduce inflammation in the body - go on a carnivore diet. Green veg and meat - stay below 10g of carbs a day - Something I do sporadically, the trick is to go keto.

You would be amazed the difference in your joints when you reintroduce bread or spuds or pasta - similar to what getting hit by a truck feels like.

Almost any diet where you
- strictly eliminate junk,
- eat loads of vegetables
- and aren't deficient in anything
is going to make you feel better.
A quick Google suggests some possible brain protecting effects with ketosis, which is interesting, but otherwise there doesn't seem to be any particular benefit in eliminating whole grains and other healthy carb foods.

That said I would be interested in any evidence for any foods that reduce inflammation.

One surprising thing I learnt recently was that carbonated water is high in carbonic acid. I had acid reflux every night for months. Discontinued drinking carbonated water - and made no other dietary change - and it stopped. I know it's not really related; just saying you can find out surprising things about food.

ObiTwoKenobi · 12-02-2020 06:00PM

I'm trying to find a halfway house between the insane and the ignorant. I have been casually watching YouTube videos about the next pandemic for years now and always had it at the back of my mind.

When this event in wuhan hit the news, I sat up and took notice immediately. Right now I have two weeks of supplies for the whole family plus pets. It's all non-perishable so none will go to waste if this blows over. As soon as there is a development re Irish cases I will then assess the situation and stock up accordingly with a view to staying in for a while.

I believe that by the end of this month we will have a much better picture of where this is going because there are enough people affected now outside Europe to give us a real indication of case outcomes by that time re death or recovery.

I don't advocate panic, but some quite preparation is warranted I feel until we know more.

ThePopehimself · 12-02-2020 06:11PM

lolanacho wrote: »

A student from my child’s classroom has just came back to school today after spending the last two months in China with his grandparents.

Apparently the teacher was talking to all the kids yesterday regarding this pupil but never mentioned he’d be in today. The teacher was reassuring the kids that this pupil was ok because he was in Central China and were virus free over there!

The school haven’t informed the parents about our children sharing a classroom with someone who has just came back from China, following the advice from the HSE the child doesn’t have to stay at home for 14 days.

Now, this child has a younger brother who attends the same school but who didn’t go to China, he stayed in Ireland with his parents.
I’ve just found out that the parents are keeping the brothers separated from each other for a couple of weeks so they are not sharing the same house, car etc at the moment. The child that came back from China is at the moment living with his grandparents, if virus free he’ll go back to his parents in two weeks.

I understand they are concerned about him passing something onto his younger brother...... but they don’t give a crap about sending him to school and sharing a classroom with another 26 children!

I’m thinking about talking to the Principal tomorrow and keep my child at home for two weeks.

Any advise? Thanks

Can I ask how old the child is?
I'm wondering why they didn't send him/her to the grandparents too - perhaps to also protect the grandparents from catching it?

I would ask the principal if both parents work. If not, why not keep the child at home. If yes, I would be angry that they put an entire school at risk in order to continue their lives as usual.

megatron989 · 12-02-2020 06:11PM

ObiTwoKenobi wrote: »

I'm trying to find a halfway house between the insane and the ignorant. I have been casually watching YouTube videos about the next pandemic for years now and always had it at the back of my mind.

When this event in wuhan hit the news, I sat up and took notice immediately. Right now I have two weeks of supplies for the whole family plus pets. It's all non-perishable so none will go to waste if this blows over. As soon as there is a development re Irish cases I will then assess the situation and stock up accordingly with a view to staying in for a while.

I believe that by the end of this month we will have a much better picture of where this is going because there are enough people affected now outside Europe to give us a real indication of case outcomes by that time re death or recovery.

I don't advocate panic, but some quite preparation is warranted I feel until we know more.

Careful, that kind of talk will enrage the head buried in sand brigade who seem hell bent in defending their position and justifying their lack of preparation.
I can't think of any other reason why theirs so many comments regarding being prepared. It's kind of funny looking at the arguments they try to make, sure it'll be grand kinda stuff, kind of people who would expect the state to protect them from something like this. Completely ignoring the fact that our health system is hilariously unprepared for any large influx of needy patients. 50 cases would crash a hospital here and see an emergency being declared in that hospital. We could be looking at thousands if this goes south.

Mic 1972 · 12-02-2020 06:22PM

wakka12 wrote: »

Not to scare monger but being as infectious as it is it has the potential to infect several billion people easily, and has an estimated mortality rate of 2%. Swine flu is less infectious and infected up to more than 20% of the worlds population. So taking that figure of 20%, 1.6 billion people, 2% of that is 34 million deaths. Spanish flu killed 50 million. This is simply because the worlds population is so much larger than it was at the time of Spanish flu, but still, its a lot of deaths.

It may not be the Spanish flu but it could very easily be the worst pandemic since the Spanish flu, by a very wide margin. I dont feel any panic really, but I dont understand the insistence by many that it is the flu, when most signs would imply its a more serious issue.

On a positive note, millions or even billions of people are probably genetically immune to this and will survive no probs or with mild symptoms
Unfortunately for the rest of them that 2% looks very unrealistic

12-02-2020 06:30PM

Kaya Prehistoric Landlord wrote: »

Almost any diet where you
- strictly eliminate junk,
- eat loads of vegetables
- and aren't deficient in anything
is going to make you feel better.
A quick Google suggests some possible brain protecting effects with ketosis, which is interesting, but otherwise there doesn't seem to be any particular benefit in eliminating whole grains and other healthy carb foods.

That said I would be interested in any evidence for any foods that reduce inflammation.

One surprising thing I learnt recently was that carbonated water is high in carbonic acid. I had acid reflux every night for months. Discontinued drinking carbonated water - and made no other dietary change - and it stopped. I know it's not really related; just saying you can find out surprising things about food.

Think about another way. Carbonated anything cause gas bubbles, gets to your stomach, the carbonated bubbles rise pushing stomach acid towards your oesophagus which causes the acid reflux. It's more physics of the bubbles rising than anything chemical the carbonic acid is doing.

ardinn · 12-02-2020 06:34PM

Something I hadnt thought about.

Prisoner in uk

Had come from thailand - presumable in custody over there - so huge possible transmission.

Would have had to be Flown over - accompanying officers plus 300 odd passengers

Prison - 1100 inmates, i presume a few hundred employees + visitors etc.

This guy could have infected about 2000 people!!!!!

Doctor John

ObiTwoKenobi · 12-02-2020 06:35PM

wakka12 wrote: »

Not to scare monger but being as infectious as it is it has the potential to infect several billion people easily, and has an estimated mortality rate of 2%. Swine flu is less infectious and infected up to more than 20% of the worlds population. So taking that figure of 20%, 1.6 billion people, 2% of that is 34 million deaths. Spanish flu killed 50 million. This is simply because the worlds population is so much larger than it was at the time of Spanish flu, but still, its a lot of deaths.

It may not be the Spanish flu but it could very easily be the worst pandemic since the Spanish flu, by a very wide margin. I dont feel any panic really, but I dont understand the insistence by many that it is the flu, when most signs would imply its a more serious issue.

I agree 100%. I think successive epidemics of SARS, MERS, Swine Flu and Bird Flu etc. have left the public desensitised to the potential threat of a virus like the current one. Records show there was a single case of SARS in Ireland, which recovered thankfully, but because none of the above list disrupted daily life here people are inclined to dismiss this as just another non-event.

As has been mentioned before, if the serious complication rate is even 16% and 10,000 people in Ireland contract the virus, then 1,600 people will need hospital care, with a further fraction requiring ICU care. Just thinking about this should illustrate the potential problem. Our inability to respond appropriately may be more deadly than the virus itself.

You can tell yourself that the Spanish Flu was 100 years ago and things have moved on so much since then, but the basic problem is the same. If the numbers of infected get high enough, deaths will surely follow. Hopefully this will not come to pass, and if so I'll never be so glad to be wrong.

12-02-2020 06:39PM

Here is an article I broadly agree with regarding turmeric.
In my opinion, whilst it may do no real harm, the evidence isn't out there that would convince me of it's benefits. Realistically, I can't see it having an effect on reducing severity of flu cases.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2019/10/16/style/self-care/turmeric-benefits.amp.html%3f0p19G=3248

lolanacho · 12-02-2020 06:46PM

ThePopehimself wrote: »

Can I ask how old the child is?
I'm wondering why they didn't send him/her to the grandparents too - perhaps to also protect the grandparents from catching it?

I would ask the principal if both parents work. If not, why not keep the child at home. If yes, I would be angry that they put an entire school at risk in order to continue their lives as usual.

The child is 10, they are not trying to protect the grandparents, in fact the child is now living with the grandparents, the three of then went to China for two months while the younger brother who’s 7 stayed in Ireland with his parents.
They are trying to protect themselves and the younger brother by not sharing the same house and car as they did before the other three travelled to China.

Both parents work, they run a Chinese take away.

I’ll talk to the principal, see what happens.

12-02-2020 06:47PM

ObiTwoKenobi wrote: »

I agree 100%. I think successive epidemics of SARS, MERS, Swine Flu and Bird Flu etc. have left the public desensitised to the potential threat of a virus like the current one. Records show there was a single case of SARS in Ireland, which recovered thankfully, but because none of the above list disrupted daily life here people are inclined to dismiss this as just another non-event.

As has been mentioned before, if the serious complication rate is even 16% and 10,000 people in Ireland contract the virus, then 1,600 people will need hospital care, with a further fraction requiring ICU care. Just thinking about this should illustrate the potential problem. Our inability to respond appropriately may be more deadly than the virus itself.

You can tell yourself that the Spanish Flu was 100 years ago and things have moved on so much since then, but the basic problem is the same. If the numbers of infected get high enough, deaths will surely follow. Hopefully this will not come to pass, and if so I'll never be so glad to be wrong.

Epidemiologically, the main wave of the Spanish flu that killed people was the second wave. This corresponded to massive trench warfare going on in WW1 at the time. The whole world was concentrated on WW1. A lot of doctors/nurses were taken out of normal hospitals to work in field hospitals for the soldiers. This led normal hospitals to be quickly overwhelmed. There was less supportive measures for people back then as well. No worldwide co-operation to combat the flu. The circumstances are totally different this time.

dominatinMC · 12-02-2020 06:48PM

lolanacho wrote: »

The child is 10, they are not trying to protect the grandparents, in fact the child is now living with the grandparents, the three of then went to China for two months while the younger brother who’s 7 stayed in Ireland with his parents.
They are trying to protect themselves and the younger brother by not sharing the same house and car as they did before the other three travelled to China.

Both parents work, they run a Chinese take away.

I’ll talk to the principal, see what happens.

Definitely do. Incredibly selfish, or at the very least irresponsible, of those parents. As they are just back from China, they are probably more aware of the situation there than most.

Goldengirl · 12-02-2020 06:48PM

megatron989 wrote: »

Careful, that kind of talk will enrage the head buried in sand brigade who seem hell bent in defending their position and justifying their lack of preparation.
I can't think of any other reason why theirs so many comments regarding being prepared. It's kind of funny looking at the arguments they try to make, sure it'll be grand kinda stuff, kind of people who would expect the state to protect them from something like this. Completely ignoring the fact that our health system is hilariously unprepared for any large influx of needy patients. 50 cases would crash a hospital here and see an emergency being declared in that hospital. We could be looking at thousands if this goes south.

The Winter vomiting bug or seasonal flu epidemic is enough to generate a bed / trolley crisis here , but we are somehow " prepared" according to HSE ?

Mic 1972 · 12-02-2020 06:51PM

Can people flight back from China and just walk out of the airport like that in Dublin??

ObiTwoKenobi · 12-02-2020 06:51PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Epidemiologically, the main wave of the Spanish flu that killed people was the second wave. This corresponded to massive trench warfare going on in WW1 at the time. The whole world was concentrated on WW1. A lot of doctors/nurses were taken out of normal hospitals to work in field hospitals for the soldiers. This led normal hospitals to be quickly overwhelmed. There was less supportive measures for people back then as well. No worldwide co-operation to combat the flu. The circumstances are totally different this time.

Yes you are correct about the situation in 1918, but does that really matter if the infected numbers start up stack up? Hospitals will still be overrun. Just look at the trolley crisis we have now under "normal" circumstances, then add this.

PopePalpatine · 12-02-2020 06:52PM

bodhrandude wrote: »

Did anyone see this doing the rounds on Facebook, some company taking advantage of our paranoia and probably making a killing from the sales. The OxyBreathPro mask, apparently retailing at 49 Euro. Nuts.

Nobody cared who I was until I put on the mask.

ardinn · 12-02-2020 06:52PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Here is an article I broadly agree with regarding turmeric.
In my opinion, whilst it may do no real harm, the evidence isn't out there that would convince me of it's benefits. Realistically, I can't see it having an effect on reducing severity of flu cases.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2019/10/16/style/self-care/turmeric-benefits.amp.html%3f0p19G=3248

Nothing to do with flu - its the inflammatory response cause by pneumonia in the lungs that tumeric will help with.

Not getting into a long winded dialogue about it tho. I'll chance it if I cant breathe at some point!

laurah591 · 12-02-2020 06:54PM

lolanacho wrote: »

A student from my child’s classroom has just came back to school today after spending the last two months in China with his grandparents.

Apparently the teacher was talking to all the kids yesterday regarding this pupil but never mentioned he’d be in today. The teacher was reassuring the kids that this pupil was ok because he was in Central China and were virus free over there!

The school haven’t informed the parents about our children sharing a classroom with someone who has just came back from China, following the advice from the HSE the child doesn’t have to stay at home for 14 days.

Now, this child has a younger brother who attends the same school but who didn’t go to China, he stayed in Ireland with his parents.
I’ve just found out that the parents are keeping the brothers separated from each other for a couple of weeks so they are not sharing the same house, car etc at the moment. The child that came back from China is at the moment living with his grandparents, if virus free he’ll go back to his parents in two weeks.

I understand they are concerned about him passing something onto his younger brother...... but they don’t give a crap about sending him to school and sharing a classroom with another 26 children!

I’m thinking about talking to the Principal tomorrow and keep my child at home for two weeks.

Any advise? Thanks

This is mental. Is your source of information reliable 're the parents separating the 2 kids yet sending eldest to school. I would most definitely be contacting school principal to discuss.

ardinn · 12-02-2020 06:55PM

lolanacho wrote: »

The child is 10, they are not trying to protect the grandparents, in fact the child is now living with the grandparents, the three of then went to China for two months while the younger brother who’s 7 stayed in Ireland with his parents.
They are trying to protect themselves and the younger brother by not sharing the same house and car as they did before the other three travelled to China.

Both parents work, they run a Chinese take away.

I’ll talk to the principal, see what happens.

Id also alert the hse tbh - if the parents sent the child to the grandparents house thats a fair indictment something is up!

Mr.Wemmick · 12-02-2020 06:55PM

So how do you know if you have a normal flu or the corona virus?

Is there a marked difference? I have read that the symptoms can present as mild in some people.

ObiTwoKenobi · 12-02-2020 06:57PM

Mr.Wemmick wrote: »

So how do you know if you have a normal flu or the corona virus?

Is there a marked difference? I have read that the symptoms can present as mild in some people.

The advice seems to be to go home, self isolate, and wait to see what develops. I imagine if you contact the HSE they will say "call back when you can't breathe".:eek:

new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

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