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wakka12 · 09-02-2020 02:54PM

Increasing number in Singapore. 3 more now, with no travel history to China, total 43.
Two more patients have become critical, 6 total now
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/wuhan-coronavirus-singapore-new-confirmed-cases-feb-9-12412622
That is almost 15% severe complication rate in a country with extremely good healthcare and a relatively small number of patients and follows a more similar trend that has been observed in China.
But the outcome of the huge sample on the Japanese ship will really help to accurately determine how dangerous the disease is, especially because any mortality or morbidity rate cannot be artificially inflated by mild cases going unnoticed in this instance

BanditLuke · 09-02-2020 03:06PM

wakka12 wrote: »

Increasing number in Singapore. 3 more now, with no travel history to China, total 43.
Two more patients have become critical, 6 total now

That is almost 15% severe complication rate in a country with extremely good healthcare and a relatively small number of patients and follows a more similar trend that has been observed in China.
But the outcome of the huge sample on the Japanese ship will really help to accurately determine how dangerous the disease is, especially because any mortality or morbidity rate cannot be artificially inflated by mild cases going unnoticed in this instance

If it takes off in Singapore or god forbid Beijing all bets are off for the world economy.

cnocbui · 09-02-2020 03:12PM

I hope the testing kits in the West are better than those being used in China. There were reports that 30-40% were false negatives on initial testing.

VinLieger · 09-02-2020 03:20PM

cnocbui wrote: »

I hope the testing kits in the West are better than those being used in China. There were reports that 30-40% were false negatives on initial testing.

Thats due to the virus and not the test kits, theres reports of the same happening in Germany and the US

bodhrandude · 09-02-2020 03:24PM

VinLieger wrote: »

Thats due to the virus and not the test kits, theres reports of the same happening in Germany and the US

That's what worries me about the unconfirmed Irish cases that it takes a few tests to establish a positive result sometimes.

wakka12 · 09-02-2020 03:28PM

Heard some tests in China showed negative until the 4th and 5th tests

odyssey06 · 09-02-2020 03:39PM

bodhrandude wrote: »

That's what worries me about the unconfirmed Irish cases that it takes a few tests to establish a positive result sometimes.

I think (open to correction) that's because it doesn't test for the presence of the virus so can't detect incubation phase. It can only detect antibodies produced by the bodies when the immune system responds to its presence.

Kermit.de.frog · 09-02-2020 03:43PM

wakka12 wrote: »

I saw a reddit thread that showed a heat map of Chinese cities and Wuhan was producing very significantly more Co2 emissions than all other cities. It was theorised that it was because of burning so many bodies. But I think it sounds pretty far fetched. Does anyone have any other theories?

Look,

Do you believe what the CCP says?

We all know the figures are bull****.

It is what it is.

What the world is trying to get a grip of is the source. Everything gets so much easier when you know where it came from.

Governments around the world know exactly where this virus came from.

It's not batsoup, and there are not 800 deaths..stick two zeros on and you may be somewhat closer to the truth.

Look at what China has done. Think about what it takes for a country to act like China has. It's not enough. They are fighting a war to protect their two principle coastal cities. They are literally in a "last stand" mentality now.

It's futile. I think it's a matter of days before Beijing falls to the virus. Shanghai maybe a little longer - but the fatal damage is already done.

Even if you rule out an accident, the way China has dealt with this has been appalling. Absolutely appalling and it should revolt the conscience of the world.

auspicious · 09-02-2020 03:52PM

wakka12 wrote: »

I saw a reddit thread that showed a heat map of Chinese cities and Wuhan was producing very significantly more Co2 emissions than all other cities. It was theorised that it was because of burning so many bodies. But I think it sounds pretty far fetched. Does anyone have any other theories?

There's been a h5n1 outbreak in chickens in Hunan. Also the wet markets' produce under temporary ban has to be disposed of. It should be a permanent ban else we'll continue to see outbreaks threaten lives and social order.

Graces7 · 09-02-2020 04:46PM

wakka12 wrote: »

I saw a reddit thread that showed a heat map of Chinese cities and Wuhan was producing very significantly more Co2 emissions than all other cities. It was theorised that it was because of burning so many bodies. But I think it sounds pretty far fetched. Does anyone have any other theories?

Why " far fetched"? We know they are cremating those who die so this is more than likely.

wakka12 · 09-02-2020 04:50PM

Graces7 wrote: »

Why " far fetched"? We know they are cremating those who die so this is more than likely.

Just the stench in the city would be overwhelming and I would find it hard to believe nobody from there an expat even would have mentioned anything about it

Anyway it seems as though it has been debunked that heat map is actually a forecast not real time and so would not be affected by this new man made intervention, theres a thread on reddit now about it

VinLieger · 09-02-2020 04:54PM

wakka12 wrote: »

Just the stench in the city would be overwhelming and I would find it hard to believe nobody from there an expat even would have mentioned anything about it

Anyway it seems as though it has been debunked that heat map is actually a forecast not real time and so would not be affected by this new man made intervention, theres a thread on reddit now about it

Yup the "heatmap" people are spreading is from a forecasting site

https://www.reddit.com/r/China_Flu/comments/f19uc8/debunking_the_burning_bodies_sulphur_sulfur

sdanseo · 09-02-2020 05:11PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Look,

Do you believe what the CCP says?

We all know the figures are bull****.

It is what it is.

What the world is trying to get a grip of is the source. Everything gets so much easier when you know where it came from.

Governments around the world know exactly where this virus came from.

It's not batsoup, and there are not 800 deaths..stick two zeros on and you may be somewhat closer to the truth.

Look at what China has done. Think about what it takes for a country to act like China has. It's not enough. They are fighting a war to protect their two principle coastal cities. They are literally in a "last stand" mentality now.

It's futile. I think it's a matter of days before Beijing falls to the virus. Shanghai maybe a little longer - but the fatal damage is already done.

Even if you rule out an accident, the way China has dealt with this has been appalling. Absolutely appalling and it should revolt the conscience of the world.

You seem to be talking as if the problem, if it's as serious as you say, will stay in China. The rest of the world may well thank China for it's draconian quarantine measures if by some chance the worst is contained therein.

What exactly do you think this is? A bioweapon aimed only at the Chinese by themselves?
A bioweapon by the west aimed at China?
Something that will only effect China or potentially the rest of the world as well?

Your conspiracy theory has parts that hold water but it's hard to tell exactl what your theory is. Just snippets of veiled sensationalism - please put the bricks together for me and explain because I do genuinely want the full story.

YFlyer · 09-02-2020 05:15PM

Somebody on Twitter says the heat signature is from a steel plant.

Prominent_Dawg · 09-02-2020 05:22PM

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7980883/Video-shows-officials-protective-suits-dragging-suspected-coronavirus-carriers-homes.html Why are people running away from help?

creditcarder · 09-02-2020 05:25PM

biko wrote: »

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-51409800

Just the flu, officials grabbing citizens for transport away.
https://t.co/3fPU5ta6AM

|Seems like it's not that infectious imo. :P

cnocbui · 09-02-2020 05:33PM

Graces7 wrote: »

Why " far fetched"? We know they are cremating those who die so this is more than likely.

Someone claimed that it would take incineration of over a million bodies to produce that much SO2, given the amount of sulfer in a human body. No idea if the claim is sound, but if so, one would hope it's ' far -fetched'.

silverharp · 09-02-2020 05:34PM

looks like a sneaky bugger of a virus

https://twitter.com/CoronaVirusInt/status/1226537721037905921

GooglePlus · 09-02-2020 05:37PM

cnocbui wrote: »

Someone claimed that it would take incineration of over a million bodies to produce that much SO2, given the amount of sulfer in a human body. No idea if the claim is sound, but if so, one would hope it's ' far -fetched'.

A million people haven't died and even if that happened in such a small space of time, the hit to the work force will send the global economy right down the ****ter.

A million people have not died, however.

theguzman · 09-02-2020 06:06PM

wakka12 wrote: »

I saw a reddit thread that showed a heat map of Chinese cities and Wuhan was producing very significantly more Co2 emissions than all other cities. It was theorised that it was because of burning so many bodies. But I think it sounds pretty far fetched. Does anyone have any other theories?

All the people quarantined in their homes with central heating on during winter? It is very clear that things are far worse than is being reported but hopefully not as serious as we are seeing leaking out.

cnocbui · 09-02-2020 06:19PM

GooglePlus wrote: »

A million people haven't died and even if that happened in such a small space of time, the hit to the work force will send the global economy right down the ****ter.

A million people have not died, however.

Agreed, thats why I was trying to convey why it was far-fetched.

Snow Garden · 09-02-2020 06:24PM

Someone should do a thesis on this thread when the crisis is over.

dwayneshintzy · 09-02-2020 06:44PM

Snow Garden wrote: »

Someone should do a thesis on this thread when the crisis is over.

Some of it is bordering on hysterical.

I'm living somewhere (HK) that is ostensibly affected by coronavirus (certainly the precautions being taken), and it's an odd one to see people back in Ireland freaking the **** out over it.

saabsaab · 09-02-2020 06:54PM

I don't think irish people are freaking out about this. It is still low key especially with the elections on.

If anything it's not being taken seriously enough here. We need to keep it out of this Island for as long as possible, whatever that takes.

PokeHerKing · 09-02-2020 06:55PM

dwayneshintzy wrote: »

Some of it is bordering on hysterical.

I'm living somewhere (HK) that is ostensibly affected by coronavirus (certainly the precautions being taken), and it's an odd one to see people back in Ireland freaking the **** out over it.

Its probably because its either a non event or a pandemic. So if you view it like that the odds are a coin toss. So why wouldn't you be worried/take an interest?

s7ryf3925pivug · 09-02-2020 07:01PM

dwayneshintzy wrote: »

Some of it is bordering on hysterical.

I'm living somewhere (HK) that is ostensibly affected by coronavirus (certainly the precautions being taken), and it's an odd one to see people back in Ireland freaking the **** out over it.

I got worried when they started assuring us how our healthcare system could handle an extra 5k people suddenly needing hospitalisation. I don't see that, they've been sweeping problems with the healthcare system under the carpet as it is.

cnocbui · 09-02-2020 07:15PM

dwayneshintzy wrote: »

Some of it is bordering on hysterical.

I'm living somewhere (HK) that is ostensibly affected by coronavirus (certainly the precautions being taken), and it's an odd one to see people back in Ireland freaking the **** out over it.

Hong Kong is quarantining all travellers from China for 14 days.

There is panic buying and hoarding:

Almost everyone is wearing a surgical mask in the city now. Some have even resorted to donning respirator masks once used to counter the effects of police teargas.

Even Hong Kong's Chief Executive Carrie Lam wears a facial mask during her news conferences.

https://news.sky.com/story/panic-buying-in-hong-kong-amid-alarming-spread-of-coronavirus-11924399

3,600 people were quarantined on a cruise ship for days.

But your just kicking back and chillin, unlike the the rest of HK, telling us 'we're' over-reacting. Sure you are in the same Hong Kong?

Hego Damask · 09-02-2020 07:47PM

dwayneshintzy wrote: »

Some of it is bordering on hysterical.

I'm living somewhere (HK) that is ostensibly affected by coronavirus (certainly the precautions being taken), and it's an odd one to see people back in Ireland freaking the **** out over it.

Power of the media ...

09-02-2020 07:50PM

cnocbui wrote: »

But your just kicking back and chillin, unlike the the rest of HK, telling us 'we're' over-reacting. Sure you are in the same Hong Kong?

Yes, actually. He probably is.

Where I am, there are a good few confirmed cases, most people are in masks, there has been some panic buying, over a thousand people have been automatically quarantined because they came back from China, there are field hospitals being built that can hold thousands of patients, schools and universities are shut
and...
life feels completely normal. I went for beers last night in a packed bar. Before that, I cooked food with meat and veg I bought in a fully-stocked shop.

This thread does not represent reality. Just like any politics thread, or a soccer thread, or a music thread. The tweets don't represent reality. The people following them are like the people in this thread who are hitting F5 every 30 seconds. If you really think Hong Kong is so bad right now that that poster is somehow wrong, you are of these people.

Stark · 09-02-2020 07:52PM

dwayneshintzy wrote: »

Some of it is bordering on hysterical.

I'm living somewhere (HK) that is ostensibly affected by coronavirus (certainly the precautions being taken), and it's an odd one to see people back in Ireland freaking the **** out over it.

I think it's more disaster porn than hysteria tbh.

new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

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