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new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)
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China is run by an authoritarian regime. They are not accountable to voters. They don't give two hoots about social media panic.
They quarantined a province of 11 million people because they know the real number of people dying, they know the medical facilities in that province are overwhelmed and their stock of essential PPEs are exhausted.
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Deleted User wrote: »FFS. I swear people online have some weird ideas about China.
IF the numbers of people infected/dying were as high as you people seem to want, then the news wouldn't be able to be contained. The Chinese firewall is easily bypassed. Chinese Social media apps are accessible outside of China, and often aren't monitored by government agencies, except for certain high profile sites.
I'm on Chinese social media, and I've been following the posts put up by colleagues, friends and students. If the virus, and it's effects were as common as you want it to be, then there would be far more videos from people I know (since Chinese students video & share almost everything).. but there aren't. Plenty of reports of government negligence, and complaints about their behavior in general, but not the mass panic that would arise from such an outbreak.
Is the Chinese government fudging numbers? Definitely. I have no idea by how much... and I'm not going to go around shouting random numbers just to sensationalise it. Which I find many on this thread seem to want to do.
The lancet report estimates on the 25th Jan, 150,000 infected doubling time 6 days. That study was updated accordingly, we are probably in the region of 1.2m infected and close to 40k dead.
The report is based on their own models, and they are not doomsdayers or to be taken with a grain of salt.
Burying your head in the sand is not making things any better - your chinese friends have also been told they would face the death penalty for posting video "intended to cause panic" or in other words showing what is going on. so I can auume accordingly, not many will be posted.
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creditcarder wrote: »
They are accountable to 1/6 billion people and a locally run police force/government.
Tell that to people run over by tanks in Tiananmen Square and more recently the citizens of Hong Kong.0 -
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Dunno if posted yet.
Johns videos have really changed in tone
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Pointless video, referring to a different virus and speculating about the new one - not bothering with his videos anymore - repetition and supposition after saying "only deal in facts"
He has been "speculating" for all his videos using mers and sars as standards to work off of.
You do know this virus has just started about a month ago??
His Videos have been an excellent source of information for nearly 2 weeks.
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He is not adding anything - just speculating and reciting what others have said
Using big words does not make him an expert - just another youtuber looking for views
Your obviously not listening to him or dont understand the way he is trying to educate people.
Anyway Ill just agree to disagree with you.
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I presume Beijing and hong kong, shanghai etc have all been preparing for this - they have had 3 weeks at least to get things in place.
I havnt heard what they are doing however. Have they been building hospitals similar to wuhan, stockpiling and producing PPE - wuhan is one thing - but if this goes off in one of those cities.........
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPDMW6X5UfE![[Deleted User]](/applications/dashboard/design/images/defaulticon.png)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcF6CZ8f8j8
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