new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

tuxy · 08-02-2020 10:19PM

ardinn wrote: »

That was the case - now people who have symptoms are being dragged (literally) out of their homes and put into what can only be called concentration camps with no medical facilities.

Wuhan was told to "round up" anyone with symptoms, people are now terrified of the "healthcare" there and are accepting they are better off dying at home.

What if the people in those video know they probably have it and have not self isolated and are responsible for infecting more and would continue to do so.
I know that the CPC are capable of some horrific human rights violations but we do not know the back story of those videos.

ardinn · 08-02-2020 10:19PM

If I post this in an economic forum they wont understand the virus, So ill post it here and hope someone with a international business interest will be watching, or anyone with more knowledge than I on the matter really (not a huge ask to be fair)

If this does hit home, and its fairly bad. What will happen to people who cant go to work, whose businesses cant function, whos mortgages need to be paid?

Would the government freeze the collection of loans until such a time the pandemic is over.

What happens after a few weeks when people start to run out of money for food and heating oil and gas, and most of the services we rely on internationally dry up?

This is all very end of days but it would be interesting to hear peoples views.

I read somewhere years ago, Ireland have appaling levels of most things - like after 4 days we start to run out of things, fuel etc

s7ryf3925pivug · 08-02-2020 10:20PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

Yep, to further your point:
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/coronavirus-singapore-doing-it-right-with-measures-says-expert-who-led-whos-fight

How severe the illness in a person is depends both on the person's own immune system, as well as how large the viral load is when the person is infected. If someone who is very sick sneezes or coughs in the person's face, the viral load could be high.
(according to Professor David Heymann, who headed the WHO response to SARS)

So can we get really small amounts of the virus to get mild forms of the illness and then have immunity for a few months? (Logistically challenging even if it might be conceptually viable.)

Actually that's what a live vaccine is. Don't suppose any immunologists are browsing who want to evaluate this concept?

cnocbui · 08-02-2020 10:20PM

MadYaker wrote: »

But that is a low transmission rate, he infected the people he lived with and nobody else. He was on a skiing holiday, out on the slopes and in bars, restraunts shops etc for days while carrying the virus yet he only infected the people he was living with. Nice to see the French taking proper precautions though.

You think the transmission rate is low? The figures out of China are bogus and as massaged and manipulated as their GDP figures.

Coronavirus cases on Diamond Princess cruise ship rise to 63, including 9 from US
Julia Thompson and Morgan Hines USA TODAY
Published 2:29 PM EST Feb 8, 2020

Two more passengers, including another American, have fallen ill on the Diamond Princess cruise ship that is quarantined off the coast of Japan, bringing the ship's total to 63 passengers who have been diagnosed with coronavirus.

The cruise ship is one of of several affected by the deadly coronavirus outbreak, which has prompted cruise lines to issue quarantines and perform testings and screenings. Meanwhile, some ports are denying cruise ships entry for fear of the virus spreading.

https://eu.jsonline.com/story/travel/news/2020/02/08/coronavirus-cruise-ships-diamond-princess-cases-rise-japan-coast/4693112002/

If a single carrier lead to 63 cases, I wouldn't call that a low infection rate, personally. A disease where a carrier is infectious for days before exhibiting symptoms, is a cause for concern.

drunkmonkey · 08-02-2020 10:22PM

There flat out burning

https://twitter.com/htommy998/status/1226210668400930816?s=20

s7ryf3925pivug · 08-02-2020 10:23PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

There flat out burning

https://twitter.com/htommy998/status/1226210668400930816?s=20

The situation there is so ****ing horrific. Wartime conditions is right.

saabsaab · 08-02-2020 10:23PM

ardinn wrote: »

If I post this in an economic forum they wont understand the virus, So ill post it here and hope someone with a international business interest will be watching, or anyone with more knowledge than I on the matter really (not a huge ask to be fair)

If this does hit home, and its fairly bad. What will happen to people who cant go to work, whose businesses cant function, whos mortgages need to be paid?

Would the government freeze the collection of loans until such a time the pandemic is over.

What happens after a few weeks when people start to run out of money for food and heating oil and gas, and most of the services we rely on internationally dry up?

This is all very end of days but it would be interesting to hear peoples views.

I read somewhere years ago, Ireland have appaling levels of most things - like after 4 days we start to run out of things, fuel etc

All good questions and would apply to a war or disaster too. The answers would depend on the government at the time, hopefully they would do the best for the people overall.

s7ryf3925pivug · 08-02-2020 10:25PM

saabsaab wrote: »

All good questions and would apply to a war or disaster too. The answers would depend on the government at the time, hopefully they would do the best for the people overall.

So in other words, FFG voters you might reap what you have sown.

08-02-2020 10:25PM

creditcarder wrote: »

Take that with a grain of salt :P

endemic human coronaviruses (HCoV) can persist on inanimate surfaces like metal, glass or plastic for up to 9 days, but can be efficiently inactivated by surface disinfection procedures with 62-71% ethanol, 0.5% hydrogen peroxide or 0.1% sodium hypochlorite within 1 minute. Other biocidal agents such as 0.05-0.2% benzalkonium chloride or 0.02% chlorhexidine digluconate are less effective

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0195670120300463

At 4°C, infectious virus persisted for as long as 28 days, and the lowest level of inactivation occurred at 20% RH. Inactivation was more rapid at 20°C than at 4°C at all humidity levels; the viruses persisted for 5 to 28 days, and the slowest inactivation occurred at low RH. Both viruses were inactivated more rapidly at 40°C than at 20°C. The relationship between inactivation and RH was not monotonic, and there was greater survival or a greater protective effect at low RH (20%) and high RH (80%) than at moderate RH (50%).
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2863430/

An ancient virus has "come back to life" after lying dormant for at least 30,000 years, scientists say.

It was found frozen in a deep layer of the Siberian permafrost, but after it thawed it became infectious once again.

The French scientists say the contagion poses no danger to humans or animals, but other viruses could be unleashed as the ground becomes exposed.

The study is published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (PNAS)
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-26387276

https://www.pnas.org/content/111/11/4274

Use hand sanitizer after you touch something that maybe 100 other people touched today etc, lift buttons, door handles, shared work kettles etc etc etc

drunkmonkey · 08-02-2020 10:31PM

Kaya Prehistoric Landlord wrote: »

The situation there is so ****ing horrific. Wartime conditions is right.

There definitely lying about what's going on. People are being dragged from their houses, it's like watching the SS in action..

odyssey06 · 08-02-2020 10:33PM

ardinn wrote: »

If this does hit home, and its fairly bad. What will happen to people who cant go to work, whose businesses cant function, whos mortgages need to be paid?
Would the government freeze the collection of loans until such a time the pandemic is over.
What happens after a few weeks when people start to run out of money for food and heating oil and gas, and most of the services we rely on internationally dry up?
This is all very end of days but it would be interesting to hear peoples views.
I read somewhere years ago, Ireland have appaling levels of most things - like after 4 days we start to run out of things, fuel etc

I'm not going to pretend that I have the answers to those thought provoking questions.
But... is there any chance all the stockpiling for Brexit no-deal might help us to weather a temporary crisis?
Or maybe all those reserves have already been used up

morebabies · 08-02-2020 10:33PM

Is it likely that this may subside in the summer, but like swine flu which eventually went global, be one of the flu viruses going round by next winter and impossible to contain with quarantine measures at that stage?
If so, then the HSE will be under severe pressure if it is widespread along with our normal flu and winter viruses.

tuxy · 08-02-2020 10:34PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

There definitely lying about what's going on. People are being dragged from their houses, it's like watching the SS in action..

What is the actual reason for them doing that?
Are they doing it to infected that are self isolating correctly?

leavingirl · 08-02-2020 10:35PM

Kaya Prehistoric Landlord wrote: »

The situation there is so ****ing horrific. Wartime conditions is right.

The pollution is very bad in Wuhan.

lolanacho · 08-02-2020 10:37PM

MadYaker wrote: »

But that is a low transmission rate, he infected the people he lived with and nobody else. He was on a skiing holiday, out on the slopes and in bars, restraunts shops etc for days while carrying the virus yet he only infected the people he was living with. Nice to see the French taking proper precautions though.

We don’t really know if he has infected anyone else though....... we’ll have to wait.

There’s a British family in isolation in a hospital in Mallorca at the moment, the father was with a British friend in France who tested positive a few days ago, so he presented himself in hospital....... straight away the hospital initiated the protocol and his wife and their two daughters were also isolated there.
As of now, him, his wife and their 7 year old seem to be ok, their 10 year old is becoming ill with “flu symptoms and a fever”

All of this taken from the Spanish papers and tv channels, they are reporting every “suspected” case. Some may think it’s not right, but personally I’m finding their transparency much healthier than the secrecy Ireland is imposing.

s7ryf3925pivug · 08-02-2020 10:37PM

endemic human coronaviruses (HCoV) can persist on inanimate surfaces like metal, glass or plastic for up to 9 days, but can be efficiently inactivated by surface disinfection procedures with 62-71% ethanol

That is consistent with the advice to use alcohol based handrub that is at least 60% alcohol. I looked at the ingredients of the different types I have and some of them did not have this much (some had water as the primary ingredient even). These still advertised killing 99.9% of germs. Don't know if they had other germicidal ingredients but I wouldn't assume it.

The little ones in Aldi - one of them has more alcohol than the other. The higher one is above 60%. Don't remember if the lower one is too.

odyssey06 · 08-02-2020 10:37PM

Kaya Prehistoric Landlord wrote: »

So can we get really small amounts of the virus to get mild forms of the illness and then have immunity for a few months? (Logistically challenging even if it might be conceptually viable.)
Actually that's what a live vaccine is. Don't suppose any immunologists are browsing who want to evaluate this concept?

The flu vaccine is a big step towards 'herd immunity' because it means that even if vaccinated people encounter the same flu strain, they are not contagious during the period where their "pre-armed" immune system is tackling it.
In terms of what you've proposed, I think that would be a key question.

* Disclaimer: I'm not an immunologist.

cnocbui · 08-02-2020 10:38PM

tuxy wrote: »

What is the actual reason for them doing that?
Are they doing it to infected that are self isolating correctly?

Supposedly they weren't complying with the self-isolation edict.

wakka12 · 08-02-2020 10:38PM

leavingirl wrote: »

I hear the spread of the coronavirus is slowing down. In a few weeks everyone will have forgotten about it. What a total fake!

This is silly,'a fake', hundreds of people are dead and thousands of others fighting for their life in hospital
Fake because it didnt affect you in Ireland?

odyssey06 · 08-02-2020 10:40PM

leavingirl wrote: »

The pollution is very bad in Wuhan.

Actually that's a very good point. If this virus is hitting people whose respiratory systems have been damaged in some way (smoking, pollution, pre-existing conditions) then that could be a significant factor in explaining why it might hit high-pollution locations hard.

drunkmonkey · 08-02-2020 10:41PM

tuxy wrote: »

What is the actual reason for them doing that?
Are they doing it to infected that are self isolating correctly?

I dunno...this isn't the flu..there going door to door...

https://twitter.com/NatShupe/status/1225887958873464832?s=20

https://twitter.com/howroute/status/1225962215691497472?s=20

drunkmonkey · 08-02-2020 10:43PM

Nuts

https://twitter.com/Garuda_The_Ace/status/1226242697133879296?s=20

wellwhynot · 08-02-2020 10:48PM

tuxy wrote: »

Let's say you were young and healthy and your body was responding well to fighting the virus.
How long would recovery time be expected to be?
I see the recovery numbers are not climbing fast, so it would be a few weeks recovery time for most?

It seems in most cases three weeks

leavingirl · 08-02-2020 10:49PM

wakka12 wrote: »

This is silly,'a fake', hundreds of people are dead and thousands of others fighting for their life in hospital
Fake because it didnt affect you in Ireland?

I wouldn't believe much of what the CDC tells me or many if the other official bodies given their track record of lies.

What's the percentage of the Chinese population that has allegedly died from the coronavirus?

drunkmonkey · 08-02-2020 10:54PM

Is this normal for a flu, it can travel through water pipes..??

Another video, these people are cut off from food and fresh water now (because the virus can travel through pipelines, or so chinese officials claim)

https://twitter.com/IsChinar/status/1226239785045577729?s=20

08-02-2020 10:57PM

2,500 die in road accident every day in China. Just for perspective.

Social media panic, is my feeling.

Fr_Dougal · 08-02-2020 10:57PM

The welding of doors, quarantining of 400M people. There’s no way the official numbers are true. No government would do all that for 35k infections and 725 deaths.

08-02-2020 10:58PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Nuts

https://twitter.com/Garuda_The_Ace/status/1226242697133879296?s=20

Who has doors that can be welded?

s7ryf3925pivug · 08-02-2020 10:58PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Is this normal for a flu, it can travel through water pipes..??

Another video, these people are cut off from food and fresh water now (because the virus can travel through pipelines, or so chinese officials claim)

https://twitter.com/IsChinar/status/1226239785045577729?s=20

The only way it would travel through water pipes is if the source was infected. Maybe it is. Don't see it happening here either way.

MadYaker · 08-02-2020 10:58PM

Get off twitter for your own sake ffs. You have no idea what those videos actually show, or where they are. I would say its certain that the chinese aren't being straight with numbers though.

new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

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