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new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

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  • #4022
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,777 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    tom1ie wrote: »
    Yeah it can infect otherwise healthy people, I understand that, in that way it’s much the same as a cold or the flu, but what I’m asking is if ur fit and healthy what’s the chances of you ending up brown bread, going on the stats outside of China so far.

    The overall cfr seems to be around 2%, but I've had no luck in getting a breakdown of that figure.

    I'd like to know the cfr in the >65 group.


  • #4023
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,980 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    Let's say you were young and healthy and your body was responding well to fighting the virus.
    How long would recovery time be expected to be?
    I see the recovery numbers are not climbing fast, so it would be a few weeks recovery time for most?


  • #4024
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,105 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    tom1ie wrote: »
    Yeah it can infect otherwise healthy people, I understand that, in that way it’s much the same as a cold or the flu, but what I’m asking is if ur fit and healthy what’s the chances of you ending up brown bread, going on the stats outside of China so far.

    You probably have a very high chance of survival if (a) you receive hospital treatment such as ventilation and (b) you are not exposed to a high dose of the virus.

    In China, it looks like people are dying because the medical facilities are overloaded and it looks like medical staff are dying because they are being exposed to so much of the virus.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #4025
    hurikane
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 690 ✭✭✭hurikane


    odyssey06 wrote: »
    You probably have a very high chance of survival if (a) you receive hospital treatment such as ventilation and (b) you are not exposed to a high dose of the virus.

    In China, it looks like people are dying because the medical facilities are overloaded and it looks like medical staff are dying because they are being exposed to so much of the virus.


    A high dose of the virus? Is it like radiation exposure or what?


  • #4026
    saabsaab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,795 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Worrying details in link below. In the outbreak scenario front line staff will be at great risk.


    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/08/world/asia/coronavirus-china.html


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  • #4027
    Fr_Dougal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,166 ✭✭✭Fr_Dougal


    Irish experts are saying it’s a matter of days before we have a case here.


  • #4028
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,777 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    hurikane wrote: »
    A high dose of the virus? Is it like radiation exposure or what?

    Yes. Initial exposure to a greater amount of virus influences the outcome.


  • #4029
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,980 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    Have the HSE made it clear that you should not show up at a busy A&E if you suspect you may have been exposed and are starting to show symptoms?
    It looks like the NHS have done a good job getting this message out and have a number to call for advice.


  • #4030
    tom1ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,377 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    odyssey06 wrote: »
    You probably have a very high chance of survival if (a) you receive hospital treatment such as ventilation and (b) you are not exposed to a high dose of the virus.

    In China, it looks like people are dying because the medical facilities are overloaded and it looks like medical staff are dying because they are being exposed to so much of the virus.

    All due respect but that’s just your opinion.
    We need concrete, globally agreed stats on how infectious this disease is, the mortality rate and what demographics are most at risk.
    Otherwise we are just guessing.
    Tbh I’m erring on the side of caution and getting extra supplies in so I don’t have to que up with the public if panic buying does set in like it has in Singapore.
    Might be something to consider.


  • #4031
    saabsaab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,795 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    hurikane wrote: »
    A high dose of the virus? Is it like radiation exposure or what?


    I guess they mean if say you were in the same room as an infected person for a minute you may have only received a small number of viruses but say you were in close contact for a few hours with an infected person you would have received a very large number of viruses and your system would find it hard to deal with it.


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  • #4032
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,218 ✭✭✭khalessi


    Just on Virgin Media News 8pm that it will be in Ireland within days.


  • #4033
    saabsaab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,795 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    tom1ie wrote: »
    All due respect but that’s just your opinion.
    We need concrete, globally agreed stats on how infectious this disease is, the mortality rate and what demographics are most at risk.
    Otherwise we are just guessing.
    Tbh I’m erring on the side of caution and getting extra supplies in so I don’t have to que up with the public if panic buying does set in like it has in Singapore.
    Might be something to consider.


    As of now that is not available so the best is informed guessing. These accurate stats will be available when it is all over.


  • #4034
    kowloon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,856 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    Kaya Prehistoric Landlord wrote: »
    Statistically the following people are most at risk, according to the latest info I've read: Males over 40 (and especially over 60) with an existing health condition (eg diabetes).

    Yeah, diabetes and other immune diseases (Type 2 Diabetes aswell?). You don't fight off flu very well. I got Swine Flu twice the year that was the big bad.


  • #4035
    MadYaker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,340 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    odyssey06 wrote: »
    You probably have a very high chance of survival if (a) you receive hospital treatment such as ventilation and (b) you are not exposed to a high dose of the virus.

    In China, it looks like people are dying because the medical facilities are overloaded and it looks like medical staff are dying because they are being exposed to so much of the virus.

    You likely won't even need hospital treatment. Most of the people who get the virus don't end up in hospital, they have symptoms for a few days and they get better. This is the most likely outcome if you're not an at risk person (old, new born, sick etc)

    In China people who think they have the virus are are panicking, presenting at hospital and overloading the infrastructure. Most of these people have some other sickness like a common cold or some other virus as the symptoms are similar.


  • #4036
    Martina1991
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,548 ✭✭✭Martina1991


    jackboy wrote:
    So radio silence from the HSE. Yet members of the HSE are on a message board discussing the issue and the procedures for dealing with it.
    I haven't provided any information here that isn't already available to the public.

    The HSE haven't remained silent. They have all relevant information for the public on their website.

    You can also read about the relevant testing performed by the NVRL on their website, which another person here also posted.


  • #4037
    tom1ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,377 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    saabsaab wrote: »
    As of now that is not available so the best is informed guessing. These accurate stats will be available when it is all over.

    So what’s the best course of action?
    Prepare for the worst and hope for the best?


  • #4038
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,980 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    khalessi wrote: »
    Just on Virgin Media News 8pm that it will be in Ireland within days.

    What's the shipping time? Is there a tracking number I can follow?


  • #4039
    MadYaker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,340 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    tom1ie wrote: »
    So what’s the best course of action?
    Prepare for the worst and hope for the best?

    The best course of action is just get on with your life and stop worrying about this. We'll probably have a case or two here at some stage but it's not the end of the world ffs. If you want info get it from the HSE or the WHO, not social media or anywhere else.


  • #4040
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,958 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    khalessi wrote: »
    Just on Virgin Media News 8pm that it will be in Ireland within days.

    Yet the slippers I ordered 3 weeks ago are still in a sorting facility in Beijing:mad:


  • #4041
    saabsaab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,795 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    tom1ie wrote: »
    So what’s the best course of action?
    Prepare for the worst and hope for the best?


    I guess at this point is to limit exposure to the public especially in cities. If you have to i.e. face to face then get hand gels and stay back or wear a mask.


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  • #4042
    tom1ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,377 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    MadYaker wrote: »
    The best course of action is just get on with your life and stop worrying about this. We'll probably have a case or two here at some stage but it's not the end of the world ffs. If you want info get it from the HSE or the WHO, not social media or anywhere else.

    Jaysus chill the fcuk out! I’m not worried about it I’m merely taking it into consideration and taking a possible course of action.
    Hope I’m not upsetting you too much by asking a couple of questions!! Ha!


  • #4043
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,734 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    MadYaker wrote: »
    You likely won't even need hospital treatment. Most of the people who get the virus don't end up in hospital, they have symptoms for a few days and they get better. This is the most likely outcome if you're not an at risk person (old, new born, sick etc)

    In China people who think they have the virus are are panicking, presenting at hospital and overloading the infrastructure. Most of these people have some other sickness like a common cold or some other virus as the symptoms are similar.

    The longer this goes on without a sudden increase in cases or an increase in people presenting to hospitals with pneumonia all around the world, the more likely this scenario seems to be.


  • #4044
    leavingirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 551 ✭✭✭leavingirl


    I hear the spread of the coronavirus is slowing down. In a few weeks everyone will have forgotten about it. What a total fake!


  • #4045
    MadYaker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,340 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    cnocbui wrote: »
    It would seem so:

    One of the most worrying things to pop today was a German researcher saying Coronaviruses can last up to 9 days on surfaces. That might have relevance to people ordering stuff online.

    The other worry is that one infected person on a cruise ship in Japan has lead to 62 people being infected so far. Japanese health officials say that an infected person can be infectious for days before exhibiting symptoms.

    Maybe in pitch darkness and perfect conditions a virus could maybe survive for that long (in that german mans lab no doubt). UV radiation (sunlight) breaks down the viruses genetic material and kills them pretty quick. Most transmissions are through direct physical contant or someone coughing / sneezing on you and you breath that in etc. You'd be unlucky to get it off a door handle or whatever but it is possible.


  • #4046
    s7ryf3925pivug
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,999 ✭✭✭s7ryf3925pivug


    khalessi wrote: »
    Just on Virgin Media News 8pm that it will be in Ireland within days.
    It was reported that there were 15 suspected cases before Friday. On Friday three suspected cases were identified at UHL. So it looks like we have at least 18 suspected cases. I reckon at least some of them will be confirmed. I think it is already here.

    My wife is doing the count tomorrow. Probably best if I lock her in the shed for two weeks when she comes home. Probably illegal though.


  • #4047
    saabsaab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,795 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    leavingirl wrote: »
    I hear the spread of the coronavirus is slowing down. In a few weeks everyone will have forgotten about it. What a total fake!


    I hope you are right but another site says 65M dead before this ends!


  • #4048
    leavingirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 551 ✭✭✭leavingirl


    Kaya Prehistoric Landlord wrote: »
    It was reported that there were 15 suspected cases before Friday. On Friday three suspected cases were identified at UHL. So it looks like we have at least 18 suspected cases. I reckon at least some of them will be confirmed. I think it is already here.

    My wife is doing the count tomorrow. Probably best if I lock her in the shed for two weeks when she comes home. Probably illegal though.
    You have absolutely to worry about. This is a non story.


  • #4049
    lolanacho
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17 ✭lolanacho


    So the HSE is implying every person in Ireland should rely on the internet while the main TV Channel in the country keeps quiet about Coronavirus in Ireland until virtually one day before the elections.
    Tell that to a huge generation of old people who haven’t a clue how to use a computer.
    Brilliant!


  • #4050
    saabsaab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,795 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Kaya Prehistoric Landlord wrote: »
    It was reported that there were 15 suspected cases before Friday. On Friday three suspected cases were identified at UHL. So it looks like we have at least 18 suspected cases. I reckon at least some of them will be confirmed. I think it is already here.

    My wife is doing the count tomorrow. Probably best if I lock her in the shed for two weeks when she comes home. Probably illegal though.


    The count?


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  • #4051
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,158 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    saabsaab wrote: »
    The count?

    Election?


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