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new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

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  • #3932
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,592 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Scrabbles38 wrote: »
    SARS mortality rate is 10% that does not change from country to country

    That's not true.

    Canada had a 17% mortality rate, The USA had 0%.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Severe_acute_respiratory_syndrome


  • #3933
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,364 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Look at the infected numbers around where they had the big dinner



  • #3934
    4068ac1elhodqr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,577 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    A bio-med engineer says a salt coated mask might be better than N95's
    https://www.insider.com/mask-coated-in-salt-neutralizes-viruses-like-coronavirus-2020-2

    Regular table salt is the key as it's crystalline and its hard, sharp corners can pierce viruses, rendering them unviable, within minuites.
    Inactive with 5mins, destroyed with 30mins.

    I always keep sea salt, vinegar and garlic at the door to keep the dark entities away (political vote canvasers, and tarmac-service providers), works very well.


  • #3935
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,179 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Boggles wrote: »
    That's not true.

    Canada had a 17% mortality rate, The USA had 0%.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Severe_acute_respiratory_syndrome

    Canada had 251 cases the US had 27 so not comparable when one had ten times the infections, also what were the demograohics of either group? Theres no point in trying to break these down by region as theres far too many variables.


  • #3936
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,105 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    gozunda wrote: »
    The other reported issue is where authorities reportedly told doctors not to declare Coronavirus on death certificates. The Doctor who died Dr Li was forced to apologise for 'spreading rumours' when it was later shown that he was one of the first to correctly dentify the dangers of the outbreak. Again it is unlikely reports on such deaths can be verified.

    Similar reports have come from people within Wuhan whose relations died of 'pneumonia' but doctors verbally told them the pneumonia was due to a novel type of virus e.g. see Wall Street journal article earlier in thread.

    In the middle of a novel respiratory virus outbreak, while you may not be 100% sure that the pneumonia was caused by coronavirus, if you are seeing a massive surge in such cases and such deaths, you should be disclosing the deaths due to confirmed coronavirus and suspected coronavirus trigger of secondary condition.

    Anything else is concealment at this stage.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • #3937
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,992 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Three suspected cases UH Limerick still awaiting confirmation

    https://www.newstalk.com/news/three-people-isolation-limerick-hospital-awaiting-test-results-coronavirus-964037


  • #3938
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 7,967 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    gozunda wrote: »
    One of the significant issues with diagnosis is that there appears to be a serious shortage of test kits - leading to people not being diagnosed correctly.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/wuhan-coronavirus-china-shortage-test-kits-lottery-2020-1

    Right, that's why I said "The patient would need to have tested positive and we know they don't have the capacity to test everyone."

    gozunda wrote: »
    The other reported issue is where authorities reportedly told doctors not to declare Coronavirus on death certificates. The Doctor who died Dr Li was forced to apologise for 'spreading rumours' when it was later shown that he was one of the first to correctly dentify the dangers of the outbreak. Again it is unlikely reports on such deaths can be verified.

    I'm not sure why you quoted me. As in I'm not sure if you're agreeing or disagreeing with me but I'm not disputing any of the above. As I said

    I don't think a doctor can infer cause of death on official documents, even if they're quite sure the pneumonia stemmed from coronavirus unless they tested positive.

    Ok I think I should have added 'all' in this sentence.

    No doubt the cause of death in many cases are misleading but that doesn't mean they are ALL deliberately misleading.


    Hope thats clearer.


  • #3939
    cameramonkey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,220 ✭✭✭cameramonkey


    gozunda wrote: »
    Three suspected cases UH Limerick still awaiting confirmation

    https://www.newstalk.com/news/three-people-isolation-limerick-hospital-awaiting-test-results-coronavirus-964037


    Three suspected cases UH Limerick still awaiting all clear.


  • #3940
    wellwhynot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 280 ✭✭wellwhynot


    gozunda wrote: »
    Three suspected cases UH Limerick still awaiting confirmation

    https://www.newstalk.com/news/three-people-isolation-limerick-hospital-awaiting-test-results-coronavirus-964037

    Are these separate to the Kerry family?


  • #3941
    s7ryf3925pivug
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,999 ✭✭✭s7ryf3925pivug


    Three cases awaiting test results.

    I guess I'm more of a "the glass is at 50% of its capacity" type of guy.


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  • #3942
    thecretinhop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,699 ✭✭✭thecretinhop


    White House Asks Scientists To Investigate Whether 2019-nCoV Was Bio-Engineered | Zero Hedge
    https://www.zerohedge.com/health/white-house-asks-scientists-investigate-whether-2019-ncov-was-bio-engineered


  • #3943
    ThePopehimself
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 336 ✭✭ThePopehimself


    gozunda wrote: »
    Three suspected cases UH Limerick still awaiting confirmation
    Does anybody here know what the testing timeline is?

    These cases have been in Isolation at UHL since yesterday afternoon - my understanding was that testing takes between 6 to 8 hours with the new Test Kits.

    However, this news broke over 24 hours ago; can anyone shed light on what the delay might be? Much appreciated.


  • #3944
    ThePopehimself
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 336 ✭✭ThePopehimself


    wellwhynot wrote: »
    Are these separate to the Kerry family?
    Yes.


  • #3945
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,992 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Right, that's why I said "The patient would need to have tested positive and we know they don't have the capacity to test everyone."I'm not sure why you quoted me. As in I'm not sure if you're agreeing or disagreeing with me but I'm not disputing any of the above. As I said I don't think a doctor can infer cause of death on official documents, even if they're quite sure the pneumonia stemmed from coronavirus unless they tested positive. Ok I think I should have added 'all' in this sentence. No doubt the cause of death in many cases are misleading but that doesn't mean they are ALL deliberately misleading.Hope thats clearer.

    A doctor can make a determination of death even without using 'test kits" based on patient, symptoms, medical diagnosis etc. However there are reports which suggest that Doctors were being told not to report the death as Coronavirus. Not the doctors being misleading in such cases - deliberately or otherwise imo.

    Someone posted this previously


  • #3946
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,270 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Do you think there's any truth to the underreporting by China?

    Tencent briefly lists 154,023 infections and 24,589 deaths from Wuhan coronavirus
    https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3871594


  • #3947
    tara73
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,406 ✭✭✭tara73


    Legacy Better Explosion wrote: »
    I always keep sea salt, vinegar and garlic at the door to keep the dark entities away (political vote canvasers, and tarmac-service providers), works very well.

    you are very funny. It's a tough thing this virus, and I'm shocked what's going on in China and it is pure horror for the people. really feel for them..but humour keeps you going and I like this humour...same with the '4 horsemen coach' in the uk..I can actually imagine it wasn't picked by accident, the british have a wicked humour too...:D


  • #3948
    s7ryf3925pivug
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,999 ✭✭✭s7ryf3925pivug


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    Do you think there's any truth to the underreporting by China?

    Tencent briefly lists 154,023 infections and 24,589 deaths from Wuhan coronavirus
    https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3871594
    The doctor who went public about the virus was arrested for rumour. So yes I think there is underreporting.

    That doctor died of the virus. There is a lot of anger about it in China. I think they must suspect that his death was deliberate, to prevent him exposing failures on the part of the state when the virus emerged.


  • #3949
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 7,967 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    gozunda wrote: »
    A doctor can make a determination of death even without using 'test kits" based on patient, symptoms and treatment However there are reports which suggest that Doctors were being told not to report the death as Coronavirus. Not the doctors being misleading in such cases - deliberately or otherwise imo.

    Someone posted this previously

    Fair enough. I thought cause of death had to be recorded as what actually caused the death unless proven otherwise. I'm busy and can't think of a decent example but something along the lines of recording a death as suffocation rather than anaphylaxis, if for some reason it was not tested for before or after the death. Obviously I'm wrong in that regard. Apologies.

    Anyway, as I said I'm not disputing that in some cases they are being deliberately untruthful or fudging the numbers.


  • #3950
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,179 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Right, that's why I said "The patient would need to have tested positive and we know they don't have the capacity to test everyone."




    I'm not sure why you quoted me. As in I'm not sure if you're agreeing or disagreeing with me but I'm not disputing any of the above. As I said

    I don't think a doctor can infer cause of death on official documents, even if they're quite sure the pneumonia stemmed from coronavirus unless they tested positive.

    Ok I think I should have added 'all' in this sentence.

    No doubt the cause of death in many cases are misleading but that doesn't mean they are ALL deliberately misleading.


    Hope thats clearer.

    No this is not whats happening, China do not record deaths in the way the rest of the world does, they list only one cause.

    An example is say a patient had coronavirus which caused pneumonia and then organ failure, its likely only organ failure or pneumonia would be listed as cause of death.

    Every other country in the world would have the cause be organ failure or pneumonia and then list everything else wrong that in some way contributed to the death.

    Its for this reason china has an impossibly low seasonal flu mortality rate because they dont record flu as the cause of death.


  • #3951
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,179 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    thecretinhop wrote: »
    White House Asks Scientists To Investigate Whether 2019-nCoV Was Bio-Engineered | Zero Hedge
    https://www.zerohedge.com/health/white-house-asks-scientists-investigate-whether-2019-ncov-was-bio-engineered

    Take anything posted by zerohedge with a grain of salt, its an alt right blog run anonymously who doxxed a chinese doctor a few weeks back because they thought he engineered and released the coronavirus as a weapon, fyi he didnt, he was actually one of the original whistleblowers


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  • #3952
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,159 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    gozunda wrote: »
    Three suspected cases UH Limerick still awaiting confirmation

    https://www.newstalk.com/news/three-people-isolation-limerick-hospital-awaiting-test-results-coronavirus-964037

    Geez, that link - The Irish Health care system is so depressing.

    Spot the Irish hospital:

    Limerick-hospital-vs-Perth-Childrens.jpg

    Sorry for the OT post ... got triggered.


  • #3953
    Martina1991
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,548 ✭✭✭Martina1991


    ThePopehimself wrote:
    However, this news broke over 24 hours ago; can anyone shed light on what the delay might be? Much appreciated.
    The turnaround time for testing is 12-24 hours.

    If samples were taken from the patients in the afternoon, they likely only reached the NVRL the following day via the hospital courier service.

    Weekend testing is only performed by prior arrangement with the NVRL in emergency circumstances. The lab is not open for routine service at weekends.


  • #3954
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,123 ✭✭✭jackboy


    ThePopehimself wrote: »
    Does anybody here know what the testing timeline is?

    These cases have been in Isolation at UHL since yesterday afternoon - my understanding was that testing takes between 6 to 8 hours with the new Test Kits.

    However, this news broke over 24 hours ago; can anyone shed light on what the delay might be? Much appreciated.

    They need to keep updating the public on this. Rumors are rampant in the locality that corona virus has been confirmed and staff have been told to cover up. 99% chance that rumors are nonsense but a small bit of communication is essential in these situations.


  • #3955
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,159 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Martina1991 wrote: »
    The turnaround time for testing is 12-24 hours.

    If samples were taken from the patients in the afternoon, they likely only reached the NVRL the following day via the hospital courier service.

    Weekend testing is only performed by prior arrangement with the NVRL in emergency circumstances. The lab is not open for routine service at weekends.

    If this doesn't class as an emergency, it ought to.


  • #3956
    wellwhynot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 280 ✭✭wellwhynot


    ThePopehimself wrote: »
    Does anybody here know what the testing timeline is?

    These cases have been in Isolation at UHL since yesterday afternoon - my understanding was that testing takes between 6 to 8 hours with the new Test Kits.

    However, this news broke over 24 hours ago; can anyone shed light on what the delay might be? Much appreciated.

    The election?


  • #3957
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,980 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    ThePopehimself wrote: »
    Does anybody here know what the testing timeline is?

    These cases have been in Isolation at UHL since yesterday afternoon - my understanding was that testing takes between 6 to 8 hours with the new Test Kits.

    However, this news broke over 24 hours ago; can anyone shed light on what the delay might be? Much appreciated.

    There have been people in China with early symptoms showing up and being tested with it coming back negative. As they got worse they went back a few more days in a row and eventually showed as positive.

    I would hope the delay in Ireland is because they are being extra careful and testing people in quarantine several times.

    No idea if that's what the delay is, there really should be more info, too much info or premature statements could also lead to panic. It's a difficult balance.


  • #3958
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,980 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    cnocbui wrote: »
    Geez, that link - The Irish Health care system is so depressing.


    Sorry for the OT post ... got triggered.

    Doesn't matter what it looks like on the outside once there are good facilities and enough beds on the inside, unfortunately that is not the case :(


  • #3959
    bodhrandude
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,002 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    jackboy wrote: »
    They need to keep updating the public on this. Rumors are rampant in the locality that corona virus has been confirmed and staff have been told to cover up. 99% chance that rumors are nonsense but a small bit of communication is essential in these situations.

    Yeah even if they just made an announcement that said cases have been given the all clear to reassure the general public instead of the policy of only 'confirmed cases.' Otherwise Ireland is going to be tagged a country full of paranoid hypochondriacs that think they have cov.

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



  • #3960
    ThePopehimself
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 336 ✭✭ThePopehimself


    cnocbui wrote: »
    If this doesn't class as an emergency, it ought to.

    Absolutely.

    The two female patients were admitted to the hospital on Friday morning with flu-like symptoms after they had together travelled to Ireland from China in recent days...

    The third, a male patient, who also traveled to Ireland from China recently, presented at the hospital on Friday afternoon with similar symptoms.

    That is well over 24 hours from the time of reporting.

    Any update from the authorities would be welcome - perhaps they are double checking a false-Negative.

    I would be concerned too that all three 'presented at the hospital'.

    The HSE Guidelines Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) State "If you have been in mainland China in the past 14 days and feel unwell ‘Do not go to your GP’s surgery, ED or healthcare centre. Phone them first. This is so you do not accidentally put other people at risk.'


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  • #3961
    saabsaab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,797 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    jackboy wrote: »
    They need to keep updating the public on this. Rumors are rampant in the locality that corona virus has been confirmed and staff have been told to cover up. 99% chance that rumors are nonsense but a small bit of communication is essential in these situations.


    Even if a positive result is found here there will probably be several agencies/Departments to be notified first. Perhaps a re-test of the samples to be sure too.


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