When will men get liberated from gender roles?

ArchXStanton wrote: »

When men abandon them

One of the bonuses of feminism was liberating men from chains they didn't know they had

I had to laugh at that one...Feminism is fighting mother nature...nobody has ever won that battle.

They tried all this when the Jews established the Kibbutz over 100 years ago...removing gender roles and expectations...women were free to work the same jobs as men, nobody got married, kids were raised in separate dwellings so as not to contaminate them...

Guess what happened...it took a generation or two but women wanted to get married and live with their husbands and kids and work different jobs to men, today, men in the kibbutz do the majority of farm and tech work, women look after everything else....

Look around you, does anyone actually believe we are emotionally healthier than we were....what do people think is driving the epidemic of narcissism, anxiety, loneliness...we will start to see this reflected in marriage and birth rates...there will be a huge increase in the amount of women who will never experience motherhood at a time when we all get to live well into our 80s and 90s....that is a long long life to be on your own without family.

Maybe there was a reason societies built themselves on what gender roles best suited the genders....

My brother is a male nurse and trust me it's not for the faint of heart by times.

Male nurses has been a thing for years now.

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

The only people keeping men oppressed in a way that has anything to do with gender is MEN.

The legal system oppresses men too.

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

The only people keeping men oppressed in a way that has anything to do with gender is MEN.

Wow...victim blaming...

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Because men in women’s clothing look ridiculous, and people aren’t afraid to show their disdain for such nonsense. Men are ridiculed for taking low-paying ****e jobs because they’re expected to be capable of more. Men don’t have a “feminine side”, they’re men - masculine. Men are expected to behave like men and not behave like women. Why should men who want to behave like women expect people to accept that sort of behaviour?

I don’t think anyone is “afraid” to show their feminine side or their masculine side. I think they’re fully conscious that there are social standards expected of them and nobody in society can simply be who they want and expect other people should just accept that. Society has no time for selfish individuals.

Jaysus you sound like you're living in the 1950s. I bet you abuse lads for wearing fashionable clothes too?

spurious wrote: »

I agree. That is feminism, when you take away the cartoon version so many in AH are attached to.

historically femanism was about freeing women , getting the right to vote, not be raped or attacked in their own homes, right to get a job etc. all great causes

now its twisted into a big mess that is caused by all the crazies out there creating issues out of nothing and brainwashing people into believeing this crap.

The first time I heard the term "gender fluid" was when the lad in RTE announced that he was going to be wearing a frock and wanted to be called Rachel two days a week. He had a handbag and everything. I haven't heard anything about him (her?) since. I wonder how he / she's getting on? I'd heard of brake fluid, transmission fluid, Jeye's Fluid etc but never gender fluid. Every day's a school day I suppose.

About the gender roles in work, I agree it is unfair to always ask the men to do the literal heavy lifting. We should definitely change that!

But for other things, it can be that it's the women always getting asked to do stuff.

For example in my office we have a cake fund (everyone contributes about a tenner a year) and then we use it to get a cake for people on their birthday. In all my 4 years of working there, it has never been a man's job to look after the money, buy the cakes etc.

I've anecdotally (so probably nonsense) heard of women always being asked to take notes, get coffee and such for meetings, but I've never seen it myself

Silentcorner wrote: »

See...the problem with all that is...no one knows what feminism is anymore...how can any reasoned individual can (often proudly) identify themselves as a feminist is beyond me...the feminism we see in media is all unbalanced gibberish from mainly women who are completely ill informed when it comes to anything that doesn't involve themselves with a cult like loyalty to a rather infantile theory/ideology of "patriarchial oppression".

I have to say, maybe with one or two exceptions, on boards, feminists are even more ignorant of issues facing men than most men are and that is saying something.

What you have identified are real issues and certainly men and women need to educate themselves properly on how our society treats one another but what doesn't help is a clearly divisive movement that is well funded and afforded way more influence than it should receive, the movement itself abuses that power repeatedly...often to the detriment of women I might add...selling useless Gender Studies degrees to women is immoral but what do I know!!!

No that " nobody knows what feminism is any more" is not the problem.with what I said. You're entire post referred to feminism. What men's issues needs is a push to address men's issues. If the solution to men's issues was to whinge, piss and moan about feminism. then men's issues would have been solved in no time.

But the way to actually solve men issues is to campaign to change those men's issues.

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Almost all the opposition to men’s tights issues comes from men though which is a shame.

They’re not designed for men though, of course men are going to have issues wearing them

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

I do ponder the lack of acceptance for men wearing skirts and other feminine items. It should be more accepted. And at the extreme end, little boys who decide they want to wear a skirt shouldn’t be thought of as wanting to change their gender. No, maybe they just want to wear a skirt. A lot of the current gender identity thinking actually reinforces old-fashioned notions of gender roles.

The style and type of clothes people wear is the least important part of gender roles in my opinion. But some people will see clothes as a massive step too far.

For me, the clothes other people wear comes under “other people’s business” and is absolutely nothing for me to worry about.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

I do ponder the lack of acceptance for men wearing skirts and other feminine items. It should be more accepted. And at the extreme end, little boys who decide they want to wear a skirt shouldn’t be thought of as wanting to change their gender. No, maybe they just want to wear a skirt. A lot of the current gender identity thinking actually reinforces old-fashioned notions of gender roles.

It’s not taken seriously because men look ridiculous in skirts. They know it too, but that doesn’t stop them from campaigning to be taken seriously. But that’s why there’s a lack of acceptance for men who choose to wear women’s clothing. It’s not something that one can change as easily as they can choose their wardrobe, as much as designers in the fashion industry have tried to make it a thing for years now.

mr_fegelien wrote: »

Why does it disgust you more than a woman wearing masculine clothing?

Women don’t generally wear masculine clothing though. That’s the mistake you’re making. Women’s trousers even, are designed for women. There are a small minority of women who wear men’s clothing, but they’re usually wearing it for performance purposes, and then they can take off the clothes and put on their normal clothes, the very same as David Williams performing in Little Britain - men wearing women’s clothing is done for comedic effect or performance, no different than any performance which is open to interpretation and subjective opinions of it’s merits.