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new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

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  • #3692
    creditcarder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 494 ✭✭creditcarder


    cloudatlas wrote: »
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/07/ive-been-walking-stairs-for-exercise-life-under-coronavirus-quarantine

    A couple of things annoyed me about the quarantine in the uk at the Wirral. The guy who wrote this sounds like a bit of an idiot but the people ordering take away and especially the guy hoarding the booze sound like ungrateful dicks taking the piss out of the kindness shown them.

    Also they should be confined to their rooms if someone was sick they would have transferred it to handles and counters, tables by now. Makes little sense.

    Does anybody else find it funny that the author took the credit? :P

    Edit: I'm reading it and I have to say...typical English teachers :D


  • #3693
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,202 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    Big new study of 138 patients, showing transmission within hospitals, R0 of 2.2, about 5 days on average for symptoms to show,
    https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2761044

    The Chinese are taking a different strategy now of simply quarantining patients with minor symptoms together until they are no longer infected, as sending them home is just spreading the virus to close contacts.


  • #3694
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,366 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    creditcarder wrote: »
    Does anybody else find it funny that the author took the credit? :P

    Huh?


  • #3695
    babybuilder
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,105 ✭✭✭babybuilder


    hmmm wrote: »
    Big new study of 138 patients, showing transmission within hospitals, R0 of 2.2, about 5 days on average for symptoms to show,
    https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2761044

    The Chinese are taking a different strategy now of simply quarantining patients with minor symptoms together until they are no longer infected, as sending them home is just spreading the virus to close contacts.
    Can't find your assertion from the report that they are just sending them home to infect close contacts. I would be grateful if you could quote the relevant text. Thanks


  • #3696
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,202 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    babybuilder wrote: »
    Can't find your assertion from the report that they are just sending them home to infect close contacts. I would be grateful if you could quote the relevant text. Thanks
    That was my comment, it's not in the text.


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  • #3697
    sondagefaux
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,443 ✭✭✭sondagefaux


    This week's email newsletter from my wholesaler regarding his Chinese wife, who's back home in China, in her parents' village, for Chinese New Year.
    I just spoke to her and all is OK, or as OK as it can be when you are in a locked down village. Normally for Chinese New Year I am also in that village, (it was only because of starting our new Spain company that I didn't go). I know the village and its people very well. The residents are mostly old folks, at CNY the younger relatives come home and I think about 200 people will be there. It's literally a one road town, houses each side of the road, one or two behind and surrounded by rice fields as far as you can see. There are no restaurants, only two shops, one a small supermarket and agricultural supplies store that belongs to Coco's brother and his wife...

    The road in and out has been blocked with access only for police and health officials. Every few hours a police car drives through with a loud speaker telling residents to stay in-doors at all time. Only one designated person is allowed out to shop every two days and they must wear a mask. A government health official stands guard at the shop to police this policy...there are no new deliveries coming along the road so all the meat ran out a week ago, eggs are gone, now they only have veg and rice. They have been told to expect the lock down for at least another week, but could be end of February. The good news is that no-one in the village has any symptoms, everyone is healthy, but rumours abound that cases have been found in just the next village. The nearest city about 30 minutes away has a lot of cases, it's a big worry.


  • #3698
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,302 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Yurt! wrote: »
    In case the slightly Orwellian 'unity is strength' line and her robotic rehearsed demenour didn't give it away, China Plus is part of China Radio International: a soft-power propaganda arm of the CCP.


    I was half expecting her to say 'drink more warm water, good for healthy' (anyone who has spent any degree of time in China will recognise this).
    Jaysus, they're so out of touch and old fashioned where it comes to propaganda. The West does it so much better(which is worse in some ways). Then again they don't need to be up to date for many of their population.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #3699
    creditcarder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 494 ✭✭creditcarder


    fritzelly wrote: »
    Huh?


    Dude's diary under her name. Imo, they should have published it under his name.



    But, irregardless, I do love the odd behaviour of English teachers in Asia. They are unique and I have a strange fondness for htem.


  • #3700
    creditcarder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 494 ✭✭creditcarder


    sondagefaux wrote: »
    This week's email newsletter from my wholesaler regarding his Chinese wife, who's back home in China, in her parents' village, for Chinese New Year.


    Honestly, conspiracy theory aside, this honestly reads like keeping social order/control rather than fear of virus.

    Edit: I think the new city also had protest becuase of a furnace?


  • #3701
    Carol25
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 731 ✭✭✭Carol25


    hmmm wrote: »
    You don't have to track everyone, just enough to reduce the spread. If someone has been in contact with 50 people, it's not going to spread to 50 people - maybe 2 or 3 might have been infected. If you can track down 40 of those people and ask them to keep an eye on any symptoms, you stand a good chance of reducing future spread.

    Have you a source for this information? I've read articles today saying the British are looking for people from the 5 star Singapore Hotel that spent as little as 15 minutes with the infected. I'm also looking at the behaviour of China in Wuhan and other areas...their behaviour does not give me confidence that this virus would only spread to 2 or 3 out of 50 the infected are in contact with. I really hope I'm wrong in this case.


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  • #3702
    Graces7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    Carol25 wrote: »
    Just watching RTE Six One news and a number of concerning points have been raised:
    1. Why are we relying on people to ‘self declare’ re the virus, and not doing any screening at airports at all...seems extremely reckless.
    2. How on earth do you track everyone that had been in contact with a person who potentially carried the virus from Asia to Ireland.
    3. Has Ireland identified any areas/places to open in the event of an outbreak in an specific area.
    4. Should there be a public awareness campaign made available to schools, companies, etc, and precautionary measures taken to try and limit any potential spread.
    5. When a person suspects they might have the virus, what is the procedure. What number do you ring, what is the plan?! At least in England they’ve been given a number to dial...

    If you read the online rte and breaking news.ie website news you will find the answers to all these questions and more. Cannot post links but easy enough to find.


  • #3703
    Rvsmmnps
    Closed Accounts Posts: 151 ✭✭Rvsmmnps


    Call Me Jimmy wrote: »
    Yup, 1/6th of the world has shut down with many predictable near-catastrophic effects and yet it seems there are only small pockets of conversation about it.

    Two days ago,air france/klm seen a share price increase upon news that no flight would enter China from either airline...very odd almost like governments are trying their best to prevent panic..


  • #3704
    givyjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,286 ✭✭✭givyjoe


    hmmm wrote: »
    There's must be something about the environment of a cruise ship which is causing the spread to be more severe, and while they might not like being guinea pigs it's giving researchers a great opportunity.

    We're not seeing much in the way of spreads in airports or railways etc. Even on airplanes, we're not seeing cases caused by people sitting directly beside infected people.
    I'm sorry, but how on earth are you coming to that conclusion re: planes and railways?


  • #3705
    tom1ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,384 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Carol25 wrote: »
    Just watching RTE Six One news and a number of concerning points have been raised:
    1. Why are we relying on people to ‘self declare’ re the virus, and not doing any screening at airports at all...seems extremely reckless.
    2. How on earth do you track everyone that had been in contact with a person who potentially carried the virus from Asia to Ireland.
    3. Has Ireland identified any areas/places to open in the event of an outbreak in an specific area.
    4. Should there be a public awareness campaign made available to schools, companies, etc, and precautionary measures taken to try and limit any potential spread.
    5. When a person suspects they might have the virus, what is the procedure. What number do you ring, what is the plan?! At least in England they’ve been given a number to dial...

    Isn’t the number on the hse website?
    Agree though piss poor protocols in place in Ireland.


  • #3706
    PokeHerKing
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,085 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    Carol25 wrote: »
    Have you a source for this information? I've read articles today saying the British are looking for people from the 5 star Singapore Hotel that spent as little as 15 minutes with the infected. I'm also looking at the behaviour of China in Wuhan and other areas...their behaviour does not give me confidence that this virus would only spread to 2 or 3 out of 50 the infected are in contact with. I really hope I'm wrong in this case.

    Seasonal flu is 1 to 1.3 infection rate. Ncov is 1 to 3.5 apparently.


  • #3707
    babybuilder
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,105 ✭✭✭babybuilder


    PokeHerKing wrote: »
    Seasonal flu is 1 to 1.3 infection rate. Ncov is 1 to 3.5 apparently.

    "According to a review article published in BMC Medicine, the R0 value of the 1918 pandemic was estimated to be between 1.4 and 2.8."

    the Ro value is an average. It doesn't mean that only 2 or 3 people out of the 50 exposed will be infected. One has to assume everyone has equal chance to be infected.


  • #3708
    Smiles35
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,749 ✭✭✭Smiles35


    babybuilder wrote: »
    Can't find your assertion from the report that they are just sending them home to infect close contacts. I would be grateful if you could quote the relevant text. Thanks


    No. You misread his post. It's about the new hospitals being built. They will be sending peeps with sniffles direct to them as Granny and Grandad at home would be most at risk and will need snifflers sent away pronto..


  • #3709
    babybuilder
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,105 ✭✭✭babybuilder


    Smiles35 wrote: »
    No. You misread his post. It's about the new hospitals being built. They will be sending peeps with sniffles direct to them as Granny and Grandad at home would be most at risk and will need snifflers sent away pronto..

    ok


  • #3710
    MadYaker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,340 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    saabsaab wrote: »
    All good points 'self declare' is daft policy. The number they indicate is the local HSE contact on their website. We should have closed potential flights days ago.

    There are no direct flights from china to ireland.


  • #3711
    babybuilder
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,105 ✭✭✭babybuilder


    MadYaker wrote: »
    There are no direct flights from china to ireland.

    what about indirect flights?


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  • #3712
    MadYaker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,340 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    babybuilder wrote: »
    what about indirect flights?

    Most go through London, Paris and Berlin but we can't simply suspend all flights from those places. At least not as things currently stand. If the situation were to get more serious maybe, but it won't get that serious.


  • #3713
    PokeHerKing
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,085 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    babybuilder wrote: »
    "According to a review article published in BMC Medicine, the R0 value of the 1918 pandemic was estimated to be between 1.4 and 2.8."

    the Ro value is an average. It doesn't mean that only 2 or 3 people out of the 50 exposed will be infected. One has to assume everyone has equal chance to be infected.


    Agreed, it would be more like 7 people infected.


  • #3714
    babybuilder
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,105 ✭✭✭babybuilder


    MadYaker wrote: »
    Most go through London, Paris and Berlin but we can't simply suspend all flights from those places. At least not as things currently stand. If the situation were to get more serious maybe, but it won't get that serious.

    Point being that passengers from likely high infectious areas need to be tracked and monitored. Even tested at our airports, north and south, for clinical symptoms.


  • #3715
    cloudatlas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,713 ✭✭✭cloudatlas


    Screening at the airports wouldn’t completely work as folks may develop symptoms days after arrival.


  • #3716
    babybuilder
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,105 ✭✭✭babybuilder


    cloudatlas wrote: »
    Screening at the airports wouldn’t completely work as folks may develop symptoms days after arrival.

    agreed "wouldn't completely work" - quarantine those from infected areas.


  • #3717
    Stark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,250 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    sure is. but the HSE recognise self declaration when it comes to gender...off topic i know

    :rolleyes:


  • #3718
    Fr_Dougal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,166 ✭✭✭Fr_Dougal


    Global shortage of PPE gear according to WHO.


  • #3719
    circadian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,775 ✭✭✭circadian


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    sure is. but the HSE recognise self declaration when it comes to gender...off topic i know but when you allow the abandonment of science and common sense in one sphere, dont be surprised if you see it crop up elsewhere.

    Wanker.


  • #3720
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,366 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Fr_Dougal wrote: »
    Global shortage of PPE gear according to WHO.

    sic "we need more money"


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  • #3721
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,801 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    circadian wrote: »
    Wanker.
    its a tenuous point i grant you but it made sense in my head


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