new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

creditcarder · 04-02-2020 06:34PM

bb12 wrote: »

I think if you're in a fight to potentially save your life you're not gonna worry about credit card debt or mortgage payments. It's not like the bailiffs are gonna come looking for their stuff

Could be wrong, but I think debt in China is passed to the family.

VinLieger · 04-02-2020 06:38PM

fritzelly wrote: »

This guy might be worth following for his prediction models - was pretty much spot on for todays figures - see how it pans out for tomorrow

https://twitter.com/evdefender/status/1224722267361464321

edit to say these figures should not match - viruses don't follow an algorithm ergo the CCP are using something similar to use for reporting.

Yup theres more and more confirmations that the chinese numbers are complete bollox.

The infected is way higher along with the deaths mainly due to three factors, firstly the people who either are staying at home or are being sent home and die without officially being recored, secondly the arse ways system they use to classify deaths and thirdly the chinese government are quite simply messing with the numbers and it looks like this guy has nailed the false model they are using.

Yurt2 · 04-02-2020 06:47PM

From what I'm hearing from people on the ground in China (albeit not in Hubei) and putting the pieces together online, I've accepted this is much larger and much more severe than the Chinese government are letting on. Both in absolute number of infections and deaths.

Oranage2 · 04-02-2020 06:47PM

pc7 wrote: »

Are the Chinese government paying everyone who is quarantined at home? Some can work from home, but what about those not in industries who can’t?

It's was a national holiday in China when it happened. So people would be off anyway. I think there will be relief like rent free for these months etc.

Oranage2 · 04-02-2020 06:48PM

Yurt! wrote: »

From what I'm hearing from people on the ground in China (albeit not in Hubei) and putting the pieces together online, I've accepted this is much larger and much more severe than the Chinese government are letting on. Both in absolute number of infections and deaths.

When people have nothing but free time they'll come up with some spectacular theories

SeaBreezes · 04-02-2020 06:49PM

From the WHO update, what was the question on those who have recovered that they couldn't answer?

fritzelly · 04-02-2020 06:50PM

There was an apparent leak of the real figures - lets say the infected/death numbers are very sobering if true and match other models for where it should be

Yurt2 · 04-02-2020 06:51PM

Oranage2 wrote: »

When people have nothing but free time they'll come up with some spectacular theories

Eh, this is from Chinese people living in three different provinces I checked-in on. All are of the opinion it's larger than official reports.

Yurt2 · 04-02-2020 06:55PM

Also, the WHO deserve a kick in the pants if they are found to be knowingly playing along with fake Chinese figures.

SeaBreezes · 04-02-2020 06:57PM

fritzelly wrote: »

There was an apparent leak of the real figures - lets say the infected/death numbers are very sobering if true and match other models for where it should be

Really? What were they?

Call Me Jimmy · 04-02-2020 06:57PM

Did the WHO even ask for access on the ground or did they give up?

givyjoe · 04-02-2020 06:58PM

fritzelly wrote: »

There was an apparent leak of the real figures - lets say the infected/death numbers are very sobering if true and match other models for where it should be

I saw the same. Crazy numbers.

wakka12 · 04-02-2020 06:59PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Why is the race thing even an issue to talk about? Black people and Asian people get lupus more than other races. Caucasian the least. Races are different.

Yeh theres really big biological differences between races that are not appreciated. Alcohol for example is poisonous to 40% of asian people, alzheimers is twice as common in hispanics as asians, native americans are way more susceptible to alcoholism, most non white people are allergic to dairy

fritzelly · 04-02-2020 07:04PM

Yurt! wrote: »

Also, the WHO deserve a kick in the pants if they are found to be knowingly playing along with fake Chinese figures.

Incompetent and disorganised
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-29668603

wakka12 · 04-02-2020 07:10PM

When you think things cant get crazier!
Chinese citizens may face capital punishment for being dishonest about being ill or being in contact with an ill person
https://www.n-tv.de/panorama/Coronavirus-China-droht-mit-Todesstrafen-article21553951.html

fritzelly · 04-02-2020 07:11PM

givyjoe wrote: »

I saw the same. Crazy numbers.

Not really into posting unsubstantiated reports but (this is the QQ site which maintains the official figures)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EP0fXhQUwAAjR-L?format=jpg&name=small

Figures are in order Confirmed/Suspected/Cured/Dead

Widdershins · 04-02-2020 07:14PM

wakka12 wrote: »

Yeh theres really big biological differences between races that are not appreciated. Alcohol for example is poisonous to 40% of asian people, alzheimers is twice as common in hispanics as asians, native americans are way more susceptible to alcoholism, most non white people are allergic to dairy

I was listening to a radio interview with an African-Irish woman who had been very ill with sickle cell disease. She wanted to raise awareness that African people can be predisposed to sickle cell anaemia.

I didn't realise this was a contentious subject until I read this thread.

VinLieger · 04-02-2020 07:23PM

fritzelly wrote: »

Not really into posting unsubstantiated reports but (this is the QQ site which maintains the official figures)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EP0fXhQUwAAjR-L?format=jpg&name=small

Figures are in order Confirmed/Suspected/Cured/Dead

The confirmed and suspected are pretty much in line with what has been said by the lancet and HK scientists but that cured and death total Is frightening if true

Kermit.de.frog · 04-02-2020 07:27PM

Chinese official figures are totally mistrusted.

They need to allow foreign observers and officials in.

They can't handle this alone Imo.

Sad to see the country being isolated. The economic consequences are potentially enormous.

04-02-2020 07:29PM

F12 people. And why the low pixel photo of a screen?

If the mortality rate was over 10%, I'm pretty sure we'd know.

wakka12 · 04-02-2020 07:42PM

Interesting diagram. CDC say that only those in the two rows ahead and behind an infected person would be in danger of infection, But this image shows how dispersed the 18 passengers and 2 crew infected by a SARS patient were on a flight back in 2002
EHm5imGJ4pXlFWuznEdSOxjKlL18Cu2lKDn_qETQIQk.png?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&53823204

EHm5imGJ4pXlFWuznEdSOxjKlL18Cu2lKDn_qETQIQk.png?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&53823204

https://www.reddit.com/r/China_Flu/comments/eyu8vs/cdcs_plane_seating_diagram_versus_reality_sars/
Makes you think whether we might have an epidemic occuring right now in Ireland had that man tested positive and all passengers let travel freely afterward

Yurt2 · 04-02-2020 07:45PM

The death figures can't be right. Far too high you'd think.

pc7 · 04-02-2020 07:49PM

Yurt! wrote: »

The death figures can't be right. Far too high you'd think.

You’d hope!

tom1ie · 04-02-2020 07:52PM

fritzelly wrote: »

Not really into posting unsubstantiated reports but (this is the QQ site which maintains the official figures)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EP0fXhQUwAAjR-L?format=jpg&name=small

Figures are in order Confirmed/Suspected/Cured/Dead

So let’s play devils advocate and take these figures as the actual figures for a moment.
Surely we would be getting to such a high level of deaths as to rule out the idea that these people who died had underlying health conditions, as in this virus kills otherwise healthy people.......

wakka12 · 04-02-2020 07:52PM

Theres not really any reason to believe that those numbers are real. Like is there any proof at all? I dont think China could get away with hiding 25k+ bodies from the CDC, WHO, expats, Chinese people with internet

fritzelly · 04-02-2020 07:57PM

wakka12 wrote: »

Theres not really any reason to believe that those numbers are real. Like is there any proof at all? I dont think China could get away with hiding 25k+ bodies from the CDC, WHO, expats, Chinese people with internet

You could if you told everyone to stay in your house and stay off the streets...oh wait...:eek:

Gynoid · 04-02-2020 07:59PM

If those figures are actual figures - big IF - perhaps it is dead - cured instead of cured - dead on the reading order?

ceadaoin. · 04-02-2020 08:01PM

wakka12 wrote: »

Theres not really any reason to believe that those numbers are real. Like is there any proof at all? I dont think China could get away with hiding 25k+ bodies from the CDC, WHO, expats, Chinese people with internet

There are people who relish in creating more fear and panic in situations like this. I'm surprised we haven't had the "fema death camp" thing come up again. Give it time and we'll have posts about how someone's cousins friends aunt works in a walmart that they've closed down to lock up sick people.

fritzelly · 04-02-2020 08:01PM

Gynoid wrote: »

If those figures are actual figures - big IF - perhaps it is dead - cured instead of cured - dead on the reading order?

The order is correct - cant see them doing deaths in green lol
https://news.qq.com//zt2020/page/feiyan.htm?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf#rumor

Gynoid · 04-02-2020 08:10PM

fritzelly wrote: »

The order is correct - cant see them doing deaths in green lol
https://news.qq.com//zt2020/page/feiyan.htm?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf#rumor

The last 2 figures on that site are different from the previously linked image

new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

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