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new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

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  • #2822
    Ulysses Gaze
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,570 ✭✭✭Ulysses Gaze


    Fr_Dougal wrote: »
    I’d be expecting an upgrade of the warning from the WHO at this rate.

    After this crisis is over, the WHO needs to be disbanded.

    It is worse than useless.


  • #2823
    pc7
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,287 Mod ✭✭✭✭pc7


    fritzelly wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/Market_Overview/status/1223746185283813377


    Fair play to booking.com


  • #2824
    imfml
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 459 ✭✭imfml


    Dubh Geannain wrote: »
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51364382

    Translation of this letter
    _110757353_wuhandocletter2.jpg

    This is concerning, he was coughing since the 7th, hospitalised on the 10th and after several negative tests was diagnosed on the 30th


  • #2825
    Yurt2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    OMM 0000 wrote: »
    Have you seen any of their conferences? They're a mouthpiece for China now, so don't hold your breath.

    Like all international multilateral orgs, China has stepped up their funding as the US retreats. I would expect nothing less that the WHO would say nothing but nice things about the PRC


  • #2826
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,188 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Taiwan and Thailand are not looking great - more confirmed cases


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  • #2827
    Duke of Url
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,662 ✭✭✭Duke of Url


    Coronavirus is currently not a pandemic, but a "mask alone is not enough," says WHO official
    he coronavirus outbreak is not being considered a pandemic by World Health Organization (WHO) officials who are hopeful that transmission of the virus can be contained.

    The agency acknowledged that it is challenging to contain the virus because of global mass movement, but trust that the control measures in place will stop transmission.

    "We believe it can be done with containment measures currently in place," Sylvie Briand, director of the Infectious Hazards Management Department at the WHO, said on Tuesday.

    "We are not in a pandemic," she said, explaining that the virus is currently considered to be an epidemic with multiple locations. "We will try to extinguish the transmission in each of these," she said.

    To help reduce continued spread of the coronavirus, Briand highlighted that masks alone are "not enough" and urged people to also wash their hands regularly.


  • #2828
    Call Me Jimmy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,449 ✭✭✭Call Me Jimmy


    Yurt! wrote: »
    The Chinese economy is under huge pressure on several fronts. This could be a watershed year for the country.

    I've been traveling to and from the country for about a decade now, and the amount of dumb-luck new wealth that has been created is off the charts. People that were living in urban squalor in Shenzhen / Shanghai / Beijing 15 years ago became millionaires via property handouts from the government when things were privatized.

    You see kids of 19/20 driving around in Lambos and their parents buying them places in American universities even though they're as thick as two planks.

    I think the music will stop this year, just as it did in Japan in the early 90s.

    The economic numbers, funny money, bank bailouts to beat the band etc. People essentially took their word for everything as long as it helped them. But nobody will accept their currency because it's trash, how's that makes sense?

    It's catching up with them big time. But what happens when there's an evolving crisis and the guiding beliefs of a billion+ people just fall away and the government loses their authority.

    Time to prepare lads. South America and Africa don't have cases? Right...


  • #2829
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    A report in the New York Times claims the situation in China is much worse than is being revealed
    https://www.newsweek.com/coronavirus-china-outbreak-epidemic-wuhan-1485354
    Long Jian, 32, told The New York Times his father had to wait a week and visit half a dozen hospitals before he could even get a coronavirus test.

    "The situation that we've seen is much worse than what has been officially reported," he told the paper.

    "Those who can get diagnosed and treated are the lucky ones. In our neighborhood, many who weren't able to get diagnosed ended up dying at home."


  • #2830
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Site with updated stats and information on the Coronavirus

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
    Wuhan (the city where the virus originated) is the largest city in Central China, with a population of over 11 million people. The city, on January 23, shut down transport links. Following Wuhan lockdown, the city of Huanggang was also placed in quarantine, and the city of Ezhou closed its train stations. This means than 18 million people have been placed in isolation. The World Health Organization (WHO) said cutting off a city as large as Wuhan is "unprecedented in public health history."...


  • #2831
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSCcknjlqKQ&feature=youtu.be
    Real or fake? Several videos circulating of body bags being left throughout hospitals in Wuhan. Crazy if true, but at the same time, one of the shots shows bodies being laid across waiting area chairs? Could they really have so little space left that theyd leave them there, of all places, where potentially non sick people will later be sitting?

    If they are legitimate videos though then it would be extremely difficult to believe the current official death toll


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  • #2832
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,188 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    wakka12 wrote: »
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSCcknjlqKQ&feature=youtu.be
    Real or fake? Several videos circulating of body bags being left throughout hospitals in Wuhan. Crazy if true, but at the same time, one of the shots shows bodies being laid across waiting area chairs? Could they really have so little space left that theyd leave them there, of all places, where potentially non sick people will later be sitting?

    Seen a different video showing the same situation. Also another purporting the place is covered in smoke due to the constant cremations
    They should add proof like a newspaper front page


  • #2833
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    fritzelly wrote: »
    Seen a different video showing the same situation. Also another purporting the place is covered in smoke due to the constant cremations
    They should add proof like a newspaper front page

    Well that sounds super fake about the smoke. I'm sure any crematorium design worth it's salt has a smoke ventilation system that doesnt funnel smoke indoors..fs


  • #2834
    givyjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,286 ✭✭✭givyjoe


    fritzelly wrote: »
    Seen a different video showing the same situation. Also another purporting the place is covered in smoke due to the constant cremations
    They should add proof like a newspaper front page

    Just go on twitter and look for the # Coronavirus. Seriously worrying video after video after video. Christ I hope they're all fake.

    It looks an awful like this lockdown has come too late, and the damage was already done in the first few weeks of the outbreak.


  • #2835
    givyjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,286 ✭✭✭givyjoe


    wakka12 wrote: »
    Well that sounds super fake about the smoke. I'm sure any crematorium design worth it's salt has a smoke ventilation system that doesnt funnel smoke indoors..fs

    Im sure he meant the air outside.


  • #2836
    bb12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 888 ✭✭✭bb12


    We're a few weeks into this now and there are still a lot of unanswered questions. They managed to map this virus already but still no real advice on how to stay safe apart from wash your hands

    I wanna know how long it survives on surfaces, how close do you have to be to an infected person to be contaminated...what is the course of the illness...what is the recovery.... What are the after effects.... how long does it take to run its course in the body...We were waiting for cases outside China to get the truthful information.... But theres nearly 200 cases now and I for one am none the wiser...I would have expected more from western authorities


  • #2837
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    bb12 wrote: »
    We're a few weeks into this now and there are still a lot of unanswered questions. They managed to map this virus already but still no real advice on how to stay safe apart from wash your hands

    I wanna know how long it survives on surfaces, how close do you have to be to an infected person to be contaminated...what is the course of the illness...what is the recovery.... What are the after effects.... how long does it take to run its course in the body...We were waiting for cases outside China to get the truthful information.... But theres nearly 200 cases now and I for one am none the wiser...I would have expected more from western authorities

    Maybe it's difficult to the coordinate the information because while 200 is quite a lot most countries only have a handful of cases each?


  • #2838
    bodhrandude
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,907 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    No reports from North Korea at all, I wonder if that's the safest Asian country or is it basically no one can get in or its media even more secretive than China's.

    Edit: Actually there's a report from four days ago about NK beefing up their security at the border. https://thediplomat.com/2020/02/north-korea-beefs-up-measures-to-prevent-coronavirus-outbreak/

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



  • #2839
    jam_mac_jam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,733 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    bb12 wrote: »
    We're a few weeks into this now and there are still a lot of unanswered questions. They managed to map this virus already but still no real advice on how to stay safe apart from wash your hands

    I wanna know how long it survives on surfaces, how close do you have to be to an infected person to be contaminated...what is the course of the illness...what is the recovery.... What are the after effects.... how long does it take to run its course in the body...We were waiting for cases outside China to get the truthful information.... But theres nearly 200 cases now and I for one am none the wiser...I would have expected more from western authorities

    They don't know yet. Its only been a few weeks. Scientists and doctors are not magicians and they cannot yet give out definitive information.


  • #2840
    Graces7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    givyjoe wrote: »
    Im sure he meant the air outside.

    Of course he did. If it were inside it would not be visible...


  • #2841
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,953 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    bodhrandude wrote: »
    No reports from North Korea at all, I wonder if that's the safest Asian country or is it basically no one can get in or its media even more secretive than China's.

    Edit: Actually there's a report from four days ago about NK beefing up their security at the border. https://thediplomat.com/2020/02/north-korea-beefs-up-measures-to-prevent-coronavirus-outbreak/

    Maybe Kim Jong-un got the population there to pull all their teeth out.


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  • #2842
    Yurt2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    bodhrandude wrote: »
    No reports from North Korea at all, I wonder if that's the safest Asian country or is it basically no one can get in or its media even more secretive than China's.

    Edit: Actually there's a report from four days ago about NK beefing up their security at the border. https://thediplomat.com/2020/02/north-korea-beefs-up-measures-to-prevent-coronavirus-outbreak/

    They've banned foreigners going to China? Holy hell, as far as I'm aware, China is the only exit point (via air or rail) out of NK.

    You wouldn't want to have been on your hollybobs in Pyeongyang hearing that news.


  • #2843
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    https://news-yahoo-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/news.yahoo.com/amphtml/brazil-draws-plan-evacuate-nationals-121616840.html?usqp=mq331AQCKAE%3D&amp_js_v=0.1#aoh=15808301635916&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=Fonte%3A%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fnews.yahoo.com%2Fbrazil-draws-plan-evacuate-nationals-121616840.html
    Brazil declares state of emergency over growing threat of coronavirus, crazy that the world is like this at the moment, you wouldnt even think anything was happening in Ireland if you didnt follow this thread or the reddit thread

    China is also forecast to go into economic recession in the first quarter of 2020, due ot the coronavirus quaratine


  • #2844
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    http://www.chinanews.com/sh/2020/02-04/9078187.shtml
    28 year old doctor in Wuhan dies of exhaustion. How absolutely awful, RIP.


  • #2845
    laurah591
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 326 ✭✭laurah591


    wakka12 wrote: »
    http://www.chinanews.com/sh/2020/02-04/9078187.shtml
    28 year old doctor in Wuhan dies of exhaustion. How absolutely awful, RIP.

    That's so sad, article said he died of cardiac arrest; was he possibly infected with virus? as opposed to exhaustion.


  • #2846
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    Perhaps but severe stress probably combined with no sleep for days on end can trigger a cardiac arrest especially in somebody who might be susceptible to it, with a genetic heart condition, which is surprisingly common


  • #2847
    creditcarder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 494 ✭✭creditcarder


    Dubh Geannain wrote: »
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51364382

    Translation of this letter
    _110757353_wuhandocletter2.jpg




    Serpentza? I think I first saw that in his youtube channell :)


    imfml wrote: »
    This is concerning, he was coughing since the 7th, hospitalised on the 10th and after several negative tests was diagnosed on the 30th


    Most probably infected during the hospitalisation tbh. Man, this virus situation does have some scary possibilities for an authoritarian country. This man is causing troubles/has american affiliations/is a head honcho of his community that has protested against china, I guess he'll have a fever from a device that will not be verified due to crissi and be isolated with people with a virus. I guess the balls in his court if he wants to change, or perhaps succumb to a virus. None of the people involved killed him, they just had other people to help :P



    It sounds strange, but imagine if Stalin was in the same situation. Again, just a possibility rather than a CT :P


  • #2848
    Duke of Url
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,662 ✭✭✭Duke of Url


    wakka12 wrote: »
    https://news-yahoo-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/news.yahoo.com/amphtml/brazil-draws-plan-evacuate-nationals-121616840.html?usqp=mq331AQCKAE%3D&amp_js_v=0.1#aoh=15808301635916&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=Fonte%3A%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fnews.yahoo.com%2Fbrazil-draws-plan-evacuate-nationals-121616840.html
    Brazil declares state of emergency over growing threat of coronavirus, crazy that the world is like this at the moment, you wouldnt even think anything was happening in Ireland if you didnt follow this thread or the reddit thread

    China is also forecast to go into economic recession in the first quarter of 2020, due ot the coronavirus quaratine

    Unfortunately Ireland is reactive rather than proactive.

    Mark my words, The following headline is on the way when we start getting positive cases

    " Government Departments lay blame on each other for Irelands coronavirus epidemic "


  • #2849
    creditcarder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 494 ✭✭creditcarder


    bb12 wrote: »
    We're a few weeks into this now and there are still a lot of unanswered questions. They managed to map this virus already but still no real advice on how to stay safe apart from wash your hands

    I wanna know how long it survives on surfaces, how close do you have to be to an infected person to be contaminated...what is the course of the illness...what is the recovery.... What are the after effects.... how long does it take to run its course in the body...We were waiting for cases outside China to get the truthful information.... But theres nearly 200 cases now and I for one am none the wiser...I would have expected more from western authorities


    I think they don't want people to be bying all the masks leading to a shortage imo.


  • #2850
    car_radio19834
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 247 ✭✭car_radio19834


    wakka12 wrote: »
    http://www.chinanews.com/sh/2020/02-04/9078187.shtml
    28 year old doctor in Wuhan dies of exhaustion. How absolutely awful, RIP.

    That mans name? Pat Mustard.


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  • #2851
    Nijmegen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,086 ✭✭✭Nijmegen


    Repatriation flights where people are let go afterwards are not a great idea. Belgian woman on a French flights where they let them all go home if non-symptomatic tested negative and then developed symptoms and tested positive for the virus. From The Guardian:
    A Belgian woman who has just tested positive for coronavirus was on the same French repatriation flight that brought back 11 UK evacuees from Wuhan.

    The woman was one of nine Belgians on board the flight, Belgium’s health agency said.

    It was a French chartered flight evacuated more than 250 people from 30 countries including the UK. The French plane first landed at a military airbase in Istres, southern France. The non-French evacuees were then flown to their respective countries.

    Twenty evacuees presented some coronavirus symptoms and stayed at the military airbase to allow test to be carried out.

    The Belgian woman who has tested positive showed no signs symptoms of the virus.


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