new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

creditcarder · 03-02-2020 05:59PM

OMM 0000 wrote: »

SCMP is an odd one. Some of it's articles are pro-China, some are pro-Hong Kong.

It's blocked in China.

I imagine they're Chinese at the moment because of the virus. :P

I'm curious why it wants Hong Kong, the English speaking world, to know that the virus is this bad? I wonder is there a bit of house cleaning going on? As in, infecting dissidents with the virus and letting them die, or just locking down cities to stop the spread of dissedence.

Not a conspiracy theory in my defense, more like looking at figure skating tbh.

tuxy · 03-02-2020 06:02PM

laurah591 wrote: »

Bizarre - how did the HSE confirm this.... based on travel history only?

Based on a lack of respiratory symptoms perhaps?

03-02-2020 06:05PM

SeaBreezes wrote: »

On twitter it seems this virus affects Asian males more, but early days yet. Nobody really knows.

I have heard it suggested that East Asians have more ACE2-expressing cells than other groups (eg 5x more than Europeans), and 2019-nCov is believed to use ACE2 as it's host receptor. Not my area of expertise so it could be total nonsense.

fritzelly · 03-02-2020 06:14PM

creditcarder wrote: »

Didn't that happen days ago?

Edit: Very interesting newspaper. It is a hong kong stationed newspaper owned by Alibaba (Government owned pretty much) for the English speaking people.

Why is China pushing the virus being so dangerous?

I posted it a few days ago with the proviso it could have been a translation error but it seems not

PhantomHat · 03-02-2020 06:14PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I have heard it suggested that East Asians have more ACE2-expressing cells than other groups (eg 5x more than Europeans), and 2019-nCov is believed to use ACE2 as it's host receptor. Not my area of expertise so it could be total nonsense.

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.26.919985v1

The document in question.

03-02-2020 06:14PM

creditcarder wrote: »

I imagine they're Chinese at the moment because of the virus. :P

I'm curious why it wants Hong Kong, the English speaking world, to know that the virus is this bad? I wonder is there a bit of house cleaning going on? As in, infecting dissidents with the virus and letting them die, or just locking down cities to stop the spread of dissedence.

Not a conspiracy theory in my defense, more like looking at figure skating tbh.

Perhaps there is no particular spin on things at this stage.

timmyntc · 03-02-2020 06:17PM

PhantomHat wrote: »

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.26.919985v1

The document in question.

Not peer reviewed, and has a criminally low sample size (8 people, 1 of which was Asian).

creditcarder · 03-02-2020 06:22PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Perhaps there is no particular spin on things at this stage.

True.

PhantomHat · 03-02-2020 06:26PM

timmyntc wrote: »

Not peer reviewed, and has a criminally low sample size (8 people, 1 of which was Asian).

Agreed. Its purely hypothesized. Interesting nonetheless.

saabsaab · 03-02-2020 06:32PM

Thank God that the Moscow flight case came back negative.

It still shows how poor our response is. If it had been positive we would have a planeload of potential carriers moving through our population!

With that type of response it is only a matter of time before it happens for real, probably within days now.

Duke of Url · 03-02-2020 06:41PM

Legacy Better Explosion wrote: »

So if you're not Chinese, this virus won't affect you, is that what is being implied, by your good self?

Sound like you've got a great sci-fi movie script there somewhere, maybe send it to Marvel Comics they're always looking for ideas for comics, although add in some zombie stuff, that's all the rage.

I’m asking you why you think one person is carted off into isolation with Coronavirus symptoms ( Chinese) and Another person with “ Flu Symptoms “ from the UAE who have confirmed cases is allowed to Jog on....

Why do you think this was the case?

HSE were concerned enough to show up to both requests by the Airlines.

To me it shows the inconsistencies within the HSE

circadian · 03-02-2020 06:56PM

Duke of Url wrote: »

I’m asking you why you think one person is carted off into isolation with Coronavirus symptoms ( Chinese) and Another person with “ Flu Symptoms “ from the UAE who have confirmed cases is allowed to Jog on....

Why do you think this was the case?

HSE were concerned enough to show up to both requests by the Airlines.

To me it shows the inconsistencies within the HSE

With the lax behaviour and inconsistencies I'd expect to see our first cases within the next 3 days, I really wouldn't be surprised if the government isn't taking this as seriously as it appears to be.

Duke of Url · 03-02-2020 07:20PM

circadian wrote: »

With the lax behaviour and inconsistencies I'd expect to see our first cases within the next 3 days, I really wouldn't be surprised if the government isn't taking this as seriously as it appears to be.

I just hope that Ireland’s plan is not to use racial profiling to decide who gets tested or not.

During this time, consistency is key in checking everyone with any symptoms where both flu and this new coronavirus overlap.

4068ac1elhodqr · 03-02-2020 07:36PM

Duke of Url wrote: »

I’m asking you why you think one person is carted off into isolation with Coronavirus symptoms ( Chinese) and Another person with “ Flu Symptoms “ from the UAE who have confirmed cases is allowed to Jog on....

Why do you think this was the case?

They came from the epicentre of the basin source of the virus.

You do know there is a reason why medical folks now ask global travellers if you've been near the Hubei provence (where over 11,000) confirmed cases are?
They won't care if you're BruceLee, just back from Greenland (which has zero cases).

Really it's now spread from there to the rest of China now (17,000 total), as expected, so Chinese will (for better or worse) be subject to additional monitoring when traveling.
The next biggest region with cases is Japan, with 20 (twenty, two-zero).

But sure, don't let all that get in the way of a good conspiracy theory.

circadian · 03-02-2020 07:40PM

Legacy Better Explosion wrote: »

They came from the epicentre of the basin source of the virus.

You do know there is a reason why medical folks now ask global travellers if you've been near the Hubei provence (where over 11,000) confirmed cases are?
They won't care if you're BruceLee, just back from Greenland (which has zero cases).

Really it's now spread from to the rest of China now (17,000 total), so Chinese will (for better or worse) be subject to additional monitoring when traveling.
The next biggest region with cases is Japan, with 20 (twenty, two-zero).

But sure, don't let all that get in the way of a good conspiracy theory.

Ah here you snipped the quote and accuse the poster of conspiracy theories instead of quoting the entire context which is their concerns about the approach of the HSE, which given the fact that they handed out leaflets on a flight with possible infection, is warranted concerns.

4068ac1elhodqr · 03-02-2020 07:46PM

circadian wrote: »

Ah here you snipped the quote and accuse the poster of conspiracy theories instead of quoting the entire context which is their concerns about the approach of the HSE, which given the fact that they handed out leaflets on a flight with possible infection, is warranted concerns.

Can understand and agree with any concerns regarding the HSE, everyone would have concerns.

However this poster has now been running a theory implying this is a 'Chinese only flu'
I.e. It only affects the Chinese. Which is not far off from actually suggesting a synthetic targetted bio-weap.

The fact is within a month or two, somewhere equally populated like India or other 10m+ cities will be in the same situation if flight controls aren't enforced.

03-02-2020 07:48PM

Out of interest, at what point what ye support the closing of schools a la China or Vietnam etc.?

Duke of Url · 03-02-2020 07:49PM

Legacy Better Explosion wrote: »

Can understand and agree with any concerns regarding the HSE, everyone would have concerns.

However this poster has now been running a theory implying this is a 'Chinese only flu'
I.e. It only affects the Chinese. Which is not far off from actually suggesting a synthetic targetted bio-weap.

The fact is within a month or two, somewhere equally populated like India or other 10m+ cities will be in the same situation if flight controls aren't enforced.

Wtf Lol. Where did you get this from?

circadian · 03-02-2020 07:51PM

Legacy Better Explosion wrote: »

Can understand and agree with any concerns regarding the HSE, everyone would have concerns.

However this poster has now been running a theory implying this is a 'Chinese only flu'
I.e. It only affects the Chinese. Which is not far off from actually suggesting a synthetic targetted bio-weap.

The fact is within a month or two, somewhere equally populated like India or other 10m+ cities will be in the same situation if flight controls aren't enforced.

I suspect you're confusing that poster with someone else.

ceadaoin. · 03-02-2020 07:51PM

Kaya Prehistoric Landlord wrote: »

Considering cancelling plans to meet a friend next week who will have been through at least two international airports a few days beforehand.
I'm sure the probability of him being infectious with this is tiny, but as a father, the severity of impact could be unspeakable.

I suppose we'll soon see if there are in fact loads of people infected outside China, who just haven't developed symptoms yet.

Around 31 December: First reported symptoms.
January 23: Wuhan locked down.

Taking a two-week incubation period, then I suppose the next few days might be particularly telling. Most people who were infected before the lockdown should be showing symptoms by then - and I suppose the greatest number of infected leaving Wuhan would have been in the last few days before the lockdown.

The incubation period in most of the studied cases has been 5-7 days. If people have been infected before the lockdown they will more than likely be showing symptoms by now.

Also, it does seem like children are less effected by this. In the study of the first 400 or so known deaths, there were none in the under 15 age bracket. Several children have been shown to be asymptomatic while infected. That makes me feel a bit better, as my child is my first concern in all this too.

4068ac1elhodqr · 03-02-2020 07:56PM

circadian wrote: »

I suspect you're confusing that poster with someone else.

Possibly so, there have been some very strange questions on the focus of the Chinese, and previous links to a single poorly referenced study saying it only affects chinese males.

Ah:

SeaBreezes wrote: »

On twitter it seems this virus affects Asian males more, but early days yet. Nobody really knows.

^ "On twitter is seems"... is never going to be good.

Also some silly questions are why Chinese travellers are being profiled. Like it or not, pretty much every state is taking preventative measures.
China as x850 more (verified, even more unconfirmed) cases than any other country.

creditcarder · 03-02-2020 08:05PM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

The incubation period in most of the studied cases has been 5-7 days. If people have been infected before the lockdown they will more than likely be showing symptoms by now.

Also, it does seem like children are less effected by this. In the study of the first 400 or so known deaths, there were none in the under 15 age bracket. Several children have been shown to be asymptomatic while infected. That makes me feel a bit better, as my child is my first concern in all this too.

That's lucky and kind of odd.

circadian · 03-02-2020 08:06PM

creditcarder wrote: »

That's lucky and kind of odd.

Sars was similar and if you look at things like chickenpox it's much more severe in adults. It's not unusual for children to fend off viral infections more successfully than adults.

tom1ie · 03-02-2020 08:12PM

Duke of Url wrote: »

I just hope that Ireland’s plan is not to use racial profiling to decide who gets tested or not.

During this time, consistency is key in checking everyone with any symptoms where both flu and this new coronavirus overlap.

The virus doesn’t give a damn if ur black, white, Asian, European,human, or bat.

wakka12 · 03-02-2020 08:25PM

Surely there are much more cases abroad going undetected? How could such a huge number of people in China with such an infectious disease only cause a handful all over the rest of the world

Duke of Url · 03-02-2020 08:28PM

tom1ie wrote: »

The virus doesn’t give a damn if ur black, white, Asian, European,human, or bat.

No sh!t Sherlock

Below is the what I said that yourself and Accumulator choose to ignore in relation to incoming flights .....

Duke of Url wrote: »

I just hope that Ireland’s plan is not to use racial profiling to decide who gets tested or not.

During this time, consistency is key in checking everyone with any symptoms where both flu and this new coronavirus overlap.

4068ac1elhodqr · 03-02-2020 08:41PM

Duke of Url wrote: »

I just hope that Ireland’s plan is not to use racial profiling to decide who gets tested or not.
During this time, consistency is key in checking everyone with any symptoms where both flu and this new coronavirus overlap.

They will (hopefully) check anyone who's been anywhere near Wuhan/Hubei* within the last 14 days, as they have 11,000+ cases. Guess what? Some of those may well be Chinese.

Now if you're Chinese and flying in from the Antartic after a 3mth stay, guess what, that flight manifestation, and background check will deem you not be of any risk whatsoever.

* However the issue now is that other citiies and regions outside of Wuhan are also getting closed down e.g. there are x5 districts with circa 500 confirmed cases (each), outside of the epicentre of Hubei.

The way things are going, everyone (of any race) who's been in China (anywhere mainland) within at least 14days could likely get tested.

If the Chinese themselves wanted to point fingers, perhaps their own leaders would be a start: The Politburo Standing Committe admitted to "shortcomings and deficiencies" in the country's response to the deadly coronavirus outbreak.
A crackdown on wildlife markets (where the virus emerged) has been ordered.

saabsaab · 03-02-2020 08:54PM

wakka12 wrote: »

Surely there are much more cases abroad going undetected? How could such a huge number of people in China with such an infectious disease only cause a handful all over the rest of the world

That is a worry but perhaps it is because the likely cases are being picked out quickly, knowing their origin. and 'sat' on before they can pass it on?

bodhrandude · 03-02-2020 08:58PM

A question I wanted to throw out there, what about packages from Aliexpress, could they contain the virus? I know there have been reports that the virus is weak on solid flat surfaces, just curious though.

saabsaab · 03-02-2020 09:05PM

bodhrandude wrote: »

A question I wanted to throw out there, what about packages from Aliexpress, could they contain the virus? I know there have been reports that the virus is weak on solid flat surfaces, just curious though.

From what I have read the virus won't survive more than 24 hours outside of a living host. So allowing for travel time there would be zero risk.

new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

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