new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

zell12 · 02-02-2020 02:33PM

Duke of Url wrote: »

Maybe RTE are waiting for Medical experts to confirm instead of speculating.
I wonder will headlines be changed to
MAN REMOVED FROM PLANE AFTER CONTRACTING COMMON FLU.
I doubt they will.

UK, French, US, Canadian media reported suspected cases in their countries

gozunda · 02-02-2020 02:35PM

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

Not everyone who posits a particular theory or speculative opinion on something, is necessarily saying that they believe that theory!
...

As regards my username (which I thought up in 10 seconds while registering)... how the hell does that have any relevance to my points? It's just a stupid username ffs! :P Perhaps your username has some deeper resonance... I can assure you, mine certainly does not!

Hehe - probably best just ignore it tbh. Definitly a small cabal who reckon that anyone who takes the kids name etc in vein are deniers and guilty of a whole host of virtual crimes. And I'm not kidding. Traditional lynch mobs wouldnt have a look in

creditcarder · 02-02-2020 02:36PM

I don't believe that is accurate. Apparently this disease is transmisable in the incubation phase'

Sure, but if your not coughing, sneezing or sniffing it is less transferable.

02-02-2020 02:39PM

The real scandal of this outbreak is the dishonest and incompetent way the Chinese authorities handled it from the outset. Unfortunately the stupid conspiracy theories only distract from this.

There is every chance it could have been reasonably contained if they had responded to the early warnings of the disease. At this stage it is hard to put much credence on the information they are putting out about incidence, spread, mortality, etc. Shocking article here:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/01/world/asia/china-coronavirus.html

Rashers Big Log · 02-02-2020 02:41PM

thecretinhop wrote: »

hows de fishing boat and rats?

That was actually an extremely stressful experience. I certainly wouldn’t mock someone riding out Storm Brendan on a boat off the Irish coast.

Thanks for asking though

givyjoe · 02-02-2020 02:47PM

Cody montana wrote: »

This level of paranoia reminds me of the Ebola outbreak.

We have had zero cases, zero!
If someone is tested positive, then the get isolated.
It’s straightforward enough.

Are you just not reading whats going on or what? You do realise some people are contagious BEFORE they show symptoms.

So with that fact known, how the plane incident last was managed is utterly wreckless.

02-02-2020 02:53PM

An extra week off work for me. Hanoi, along with HCM earlier, have said all schools and centers must be closed. Thankfully some sense.

Cody montana · 02-02-2020 02:54PM

ongarite wrote: »

The media have people whipped into a frenzy. This is nothing but a strain a flu that no vaccine is available for yet unlike the regular flu shot available ever winter in Ireland. If you are an at risk person due to existing health issues then take some precautions if traveling near the China.

I'm in Singapore right now and you would hardly know this is a thing and this is a country at China's doorstep and massive transportation hub.

Can you imagine a whole plane of people being isolated because someone is suspected of having the flu?

How many people die due to the flu each year?

babybuilder · 02-02-2020 02:54PM

Cody montana wrote: »

This level of paranoia reminds me of the Ebola outbreak.

We have had zero cases, zero!
If someone is tested positive, then the get isolated.
It’s straightforward enough.

How do you know they tested anyone

Fr_Dougal · 02-02-2020 02:55PM

Cody montana wrote: »

This level of paranoia reminds me of the Ebola outbreak.

We have had zero cases, zero!
If someone is tested positive, then the get isolated.
It’s straightforward enough.

Cody montana · 02-02-2020 02:57PM

givyjoe wrote: »

Are you just not reading whats going on or what? You do realise some people are contagious BEFORE they show symptoms.

So with that fact known, how the plane incident last was managed is utterly wreckless.

Yes, like every other infectious disease.
You can be a “host” of a disease and never develop symptoms.

creditcarder · 02-02-2020 02:57PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

An extra week off work for me. Hanoi, along with HCM earlier, have said all schools and centers must be closed. Thankfully some sense.

Would you ever get out of dodge for a month? I imagine jobs are east to come by.

But, worse case its horrify I ally virulent, then perhaps it is better to catch it earlier than later before the hospitals get overloaded :P

givyjoe · 02-02-2020 03:00PM

Cody montana wrote: »

Yes, like every other infectious disease.
You can be a “host” of a disease and never develop symptoms.

So nothing to worry about then, it'll be grand yeah?

Dante7 · 02-02-2020 03:02PM

Cody montana wrote: »

Can you imagine a whole plane of people being isolated because someone is suspected of having the flu?

How many people die due to the flu each year?

You nearly have to admire the level of stupidity in posts like this. The willful ignorance in completely ignoring facts from experts. The answer to your question is that seasonal flu kills about 60,000 people each year. Flu has a mortality rate of <0.01%. Coronavirus is 2000 times more lethal and at least twice as contagious. Now do you understand?

Cody montana · 02-02-2020 03:02PM

givyjoe wrote: »

So nothing to worry about then, it'll be grand yeah?

Most certainly.

Cody montana · 02-02-2020 03:04PM

Dante7 wrote: »

You nearly have to admire the level of stupidity in posts like this. The willful ignorance in completely ignoring facts from experts. The answer to your question is that seasonal flu kills about 60,000 people each year. Flu has a mortality rate of <0.1%. Coronavirus is 2000 times more lethal and at least twice as contagious. Now do you understand?

Show me how coronavirus is 2000 times more lethal and how it’s twice as contagious.

Call Me Jimmy · 02-02-2020 03:05PM

Akrasia wrote: »

Is there anywhere that displays the figures as a graph over time?

If the number of reported or confirmed cases is not growing exponentially then there’s probably nothing to worry about.

It went linear some days ago, just when the wuhan officials themselves began calling for resources publicly and mentioning they can only test x amount each day. Yesterday one of the major cities there said they could only test 400 a day. So the suspected cases (which I haven't been tracking recently) had continued to on the exponential while the confirmed went linear. (in Hubei). Roche, who were supplying test kits were complaining around the time that they were having a hard time delivering them because of the situation on the ground.

Now I don't know how aware you are of how difficult it is for people to even get to the hosptials which in many cases are full, but safe to say there are a lot of people that don't make it to hospital.

Then we've had three seperate experts who estimated the range a week ago was roughly 45- 90 thousand infected in Wuhan, when the official was like 2,000 (using modelling from international cases, i.e. not relying on CCP numbers).

It was only a few days ago people were telling me there's no reason to doubt the numbers.
If people didn't so easily believe the Chinese Communist Party a week ago, and instead listened to conspiracy theorists, the public and government wouldn't only be waking up to this now (or not waking up in the case of our government).

The thing we knew last week is this is BIG, I came on here when I heard of a city wide quarantine and Xi saying it's 'grave' on tv. Back then flights were going merrily around china and the world. While 100's of millions of people went into forced and self quarantine, the rest of the world looked at their official numbers and said 'well no reason for us to stop moving in and out of China'. While China sacrificed their economic growth for 'the sniffles' the WHO praises them, said the risk to the world was 'moderate', which a few days later they said was a typo and it was actually 'high' woops.

The WHO were even criticizing travel bans when the rest of the world did it, but praised China for its response (which included dangerous quarantines and complete travel bans the likes of which the world has never seen).

The point is, the numbers are and always have been many times higher than what was reported. The risk has always been higher than was presented. The world could have responded much better if we hadn't listened to the CCP.

givyjoe · 02-02-2020 03:07PM

Cody montana wrote: »

Most certainly.

Christ I hope you have absolutely no role of significance in the health service, or in any way (directly/indirectly) of the containment of this one we have confirmed cases. The ignorance in your posts is breathtaking.

4068ac1elhodqr · 02-02-2020 03:07PM

Bit of a jump yesterday, hold on to your hats (or gloves/scarfs/aprons/10litre water containers).

It may well be controllable (outside of China), but really surprised their SSE Composite Index isn't taking more a kicking, only down about 5% this month.
Brent Spot (Oil) on the other hand is down 10% just this week.

02-02-2020 03:07PM

creditcarder wrote: »

Would you ever get out of dodge for a month? I imagine jobs are east to come by.

But, worse case its horrify I ally virulent, then perhaps it is better to catch it earlier than later before the hospitals get overloaded :P

Hmm, hadn't really considered it. Interesting logic you're showing there, though. Thinking outside the box.

kaymin · 02-02-2020 03:11PM

The fact that China has run out of medical supplies and is seeking help from Europe indicates the problem is far far greater than 15k cases

https://www.ibtimes.sg/china-coronavirus-desperate-beijing-seeks-eu-help-shortage-medical-supplies-worsens-38685

wakka12 · 02-02-2020 03:11PM

Duke of Url wrote: »

That would you want RTE to say?

To report on it happening? Generally what news broadcasters do, they dont have to give their opinion

wakka12 · 02-02-2020 03:14PM

creditcarder wrote: »

I don't believe that is accurate. Apparently this disease is transmisable in the incubation phase'

Sure, but if your not coughing, sneezing or sniffing it is less transferable.

But people do sneeze and cough even if theyre not sick. Clearing your throat, nose irritation , hay fever. Also I'm sure all bodily liquid is infectious then , for example asymptomatic carriers sweating and using shared gym equipment are a danger then etc

josip · 02-02-2020 03:15PM

Would an aircraft's air re circulation system filter out any viruses before blowing it back to the cabin?
Or is it just one great big soup?

wakka12 · 02-02-2020 03:17PM

kaymin wrote: »

The fact that China has run out of medical supplies and is seeking help from Europe indicates the problem is far far greater than 15k cases

https://www.ibtimes.sg/china-coronavirus-desperate-beijing-seeks-eu-help-shortage-medical-supplies-worsens-38685

Maybe but the now completely dysfunctional transport, supply of goods around the country, imports are all ****ed up because of quarantines, extended holidays, travel bans, closed borders

kaymin · 02-02-2020 03:20PM

Irish times is now reporting on last night's flight:

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/passenger-on-moscow-dublin-flight-is-tested-for-coronavirus-1.4159243

"The aim of these plans in Ireland at this point in the response to novel Coronavirus is one of containment. This seeks to maximise the chance of a case being detected should one arise here and to prevent it being transmitted to another person.”

“The activation of protocols that achieve this is a core and expected feature of our preparedness and ongoing response. The protocol always ensures that the people involved are fully communicated with and are aware of what is going on. Their activation is an indication of the quality and responsiveness of the agencies and the staff who carry them out in the health services, the emergency service and at the ports of entry into Ireland.”

02-02-2020 03:21PM

kaymin wrote: »

The fact that China has run out of medical supplies and is seeking help from Europe indicates the problem is far far greater than 15k cases

https://www.ibtimes.sg/china-coronavirus-desperate-beijing-seeks-eu-help-shortage-medical-supplies-worsens-38685

China was saying that it had shortages with medical supplies over a week ago. It's not like this is a new thing.

Cody montana · 02-02-2020 03:22PM

givyjoe wrote: »

Christ I hope you have absolutely no role of significance in the health service, or in any way (directly/indirectly) of the containment of this one we have confirmed cases. The ignorance in your posts is breathtaking.

I do.
This will fizzle out.
Mark my words.

Call Me Jimmy · 02-02-2020 03:27PM

Cody montana wrote: »

I do.
This will fizzle out.
Mark my words.

Outside China we still have a very good chance that it will. But it's already an unprecedented event in China. So the economic impact will be significant at the very least.

kaymin · 02-02-2020 03:27PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

China was saying that it had shortages with medical supplies over a week ago. It's not like this is a new thing.

The appeal to Europe for supplies was made by China yesterday.

Also, according to the article I linked:

Even as unrest was growing in virus-hit regions, China has maintained that the shortage of medical supplies was a result of the Lunar New Year holidays.

new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

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