new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

Sean 18 · 02-02-2020 09:03AM

ardinn wrote: »

Seeing videos now of the army patrolling streets with automatic weapons.

Heard one report of 112,000 dead! - I dont believe it, but can you imagine?

One interesting thing I did find waas that there is 55,000 hospital beds in those two cities - If that is true, then I am in full agreement of the very worst possible scenarios - we have seen the state and strain the hospitals are in - thats not even a question now - but if they declare even 5000 infected, thats only 10% of available capacity (I understand hospitals dont stay empty up until an outbreak) but its very worrying if true.

If them shocking stats are true that means it s not just old people with weak immune system s are dying but young healthy people too

VinLieger · 02-02-2020 09:05AM

Sean 18 wrote: »

If them shocking stats are true that means it s not just old people with weak immune system s are dying but young healthy people too

Wuhan is a city of 11 million people many of those 55k beds are likely also taken up by people with illness other than the coronavirus.

02-02-2020 09:10AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The CIA say it's the most advanced bio weapons facility in China.

Why do you think China put such extreme measures in place so quick?

To not repeat the mistakes of SARS I would imagine, and because of Chinese New Year exacerbating the situation.

And the measures aren't particularly extreme. Limiting travel is logical. They only appear extreme because the populations of those cities are so large, and because we can't imagine doing that in the West. Building pre-fab temporary hospitals is something they've done before. It's not extreme. It's responsible.

Kermit.de.frog · 02-02-2020 09:11AM

VinLieger wrote: »

Wuhan is a city of 11 million people

Quarantined.

It's not because of bat soup - it's because it's a weapon. Its a weaponised virus.

That is why cities are being quarantined.

China attacked itself (by accident presumably)

02-02-2020 09:12AM

Sean 18 wrote: »

If them shocking stats are true that means it s not just old people with weak immune system s are dying but young healthy people too

It gets worse. I heard one report of 112,000,000 dead! - I dont believe it, but can you imagine?

Kermit.de.frog · 02-02-2020 09:13AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Building pre-fab temporary hospitals is something they've done before. It's not extreme. It's responsible.

They are not hospitals. They are glorified concentration camps.

I don't think it is understood the seriousness of the situation in this part of the world.

gozunda · 02-02-2020 09:13AM

China has asked the EU for medical supplies

China's Premier Li Keqiang has asked the European Union (EU) to facilitate China's urgent procurement of medical supplies from member countries, the Chinese government said on Saturday (Feb 1), amid the coronavirus outbreak.

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/wuhan-virus-chinas-premier-li-asks-eu-to-facilitate-urgent-procurement-of-medical

Chinas has a huge manufacturing base - that obviously is being put under some strain atm.

02-02-2020 09:13AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Quarantined.

It's not because of bat soup - it's because it's a weapon. Its a weaponised virus.

That is why cities are being quarantined.

China attacked itself (by accident presumably)

There have been far worse viruses. Why are you so adamant that this virus didn't come from animals the same way all the others did? I don't see any reason for it.

tuxy · 02-02-2020 09:16AM

Deleted User wrote: »

There have been far worse viruses. Why are you so adamant that this virus didn't come from animals the same way all the others did? I don't see any reason for it.

He has access to CIA info that has not been made public yet.

VinLieger · 02-02-2020 09:16AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

They are not hospitals. They are glorified concentration camps.

I don't think it is understood the seriousness of the situation in this part of the world.

Where is your source regarding what the CIA said about the lab?

Darc19 · 02-02-2020 09:17AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It gets worse. I heard one report of 112,000,000 dead! - I dont believe it, but can you imagine?

The sensationalism by some on this thread would even embarrass the daily mail.

Next we'll be told that items made in China can hold the virus for 3 months - yes, someone on Facebook actually said this and the number of utterly stupid people that believed it was phenomenal

s7ryf3925pivug · 02-02-2020 09:18AM

I wonder what it means that only one or two long haul passengers are popping up as infected at a time, and not lots of passengers who were on the same flights.

Some of them might not have been infectious at the time of the flight but surely some of them were too.

Perhaps airborne transmission doesn't occur that often, at least not before someone is obviously sick. (Pun not intended.)

Or perhaps lots of passengers have been infected and are still incubating the virus.

kaymin · 02-02-2020 09:19AM

Reasonable reputable parties making claims that the lab is the source:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jan/26/coronavirus-link-china-biowarfare-program-possible/

https://www.insideover.com/society/china-slams-israeli-claim-that-coronavirus-came-from-bioweapon-lab.html

kaymin · 02-02-2020 09:20AM

Darc19 wrote: »

The sensationalism by some on this thread would even embarrass the daily mail.

Next we'll be told that items made in China can hold the virus for 3 months - yes, someone on Facebook actually said this and the number of utterly stupid people that believed it was phenomenal

Some viruses can survive on a surface for months others for only a few hours.

Sean 18 · 02-02-2020 09:20AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It gets worse. I heard one report of 112,000,000 dead! - I dont believe it, but can you imagine?

WTF Whatever happens I'd say China's going to end up being the new Chernobyl I can't see them coming back from this

s7ryf3925pivug · 02-02-2020 09:22AM

The suspicions are there because the Chinese response seems disproportionate to the professed threat.

They are pretty authoritarian though and the confirmed measures are less extreme when put in that context.

Darc19 · 02-02-2020 09:24AM

kaymin wrote: »

Some viruses can survive on a surface for months others for only a few hours.

Ffs, stop the utter stupidity

https://www.nhs.uk/common-health-questions/infections/how-long-do-bacteria-and-viruses-live-outside-the-body/

And here's a list of more fake bs that some stupid people actually believe
https://www.indy100.com/article/coronavirus-hoax-food-vaccine-conspiracy-theory-wuhan-china-9306561

02-02-2020 09:25AM

kaymin wrote: »

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jan/26/coronavirus-link-china-biowarfare-program-possible/

“Certain laboratories in the institute have probably been engaged, in terms of research and development, in Chinese [biological weapons], at least collaterally, yet not as a principal facility of the Chinese BW alignment,” Mr. Shoham told The Washington Times.

Work on biological weapons is conducted as part of dual civilian-military research and is “definitely covert,” he said in an email.

An article based on nothing.

02-02-2020 09:26AM

Sean 18 wrote: »

WTF Whatever happens I'd say China's going to end up being the new Chernobyl I can't see them coming back from this

What do you mean "come back"? From where?

The chan chan man · 02-02-2020 09:28AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

My suspicion is it's an escaped biological weapon and the Chinese government panicked. This is why the response has been so quick and increasingly drecronian.

They know exactly what it is. "Bat soup" lol

Without a doubt. There’s a manufacturer of biochemical warfare viruses just outside Wuhan. This is their equivalent of a leak at the Ringsend plant!

Does anyone seriously believe they’re shutting down their country and building a purpose built hospital in 6 days because of a flu?! This is going to be catastrophic if it reaches Ireland. Our health system cannot cope as is.

wakka12 · 02-02-2020 09:30AM

VinLieger wrote: »

Wuhan is a city of 11 million people many of those 55k beds are likely also taken up by people with illness other than the coronavirus.

It is not currently 11 million. The mayor said at least two million left before lock down , so there should be more beds that usual in wuhan

Sean 18 · 02-02-2020 09:30AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

What do you mean "come back"? From where?

I meant if this doesn't end soon China could hit recession tourism etc

kaymin · 02-02-2020 09:30AM

Darc19 wrote: »

Ffs, stop the utter stupidity

https://www.nhs.uk/common-health-questions/infections/how-long-do-bacteria-and-viruses-live-outside-the-body/

And here's a list of more fake bs that some stupid people actually believe
https://www.indy100.com/article/coronavirus-hoax-food-vaccine-conspiracy-theory-wuhan-china-9306561

What is stupid?

From the NHS:
https://www.nhs.uk/common-health-questions/infections/how-long-do-bacteria-and-viruses-live-outside-the-body/

Norovirus and C. difficile, however, can survive for much longer. In one study, C. difficile was shown to survive for 5 months.

I'm not saying coronavurus can last that long but my point is certain viruses can survive for months

tuxy · 02-02-2020 09:31AM

Deleted User wrote: »

What do you mean "come back"? From where?

The only one that will find it hard to come back is a poster who a completely bonus claim about a US government organisation.

c.p.w.g.w · 02-02-2020 09:31AM

kaymin wrote: »

Reasonable reputable parties making claims that the lab is the source:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jan/26/coronavirus-link-china-biowarfare-program-possible/

https://www.insideover.com/society/china-slams-israeli-claim-that-coronavirus-came-from-bioweapon-lab.html

Israel has about as much credibility as China in fairness

Kermit.de.frog · 02-02-2020 09:31AM

Deleted User wrote: »

“Certain laboratories in the institute have probably been engaged, in terms of research and development, in Chinese [biological weapons], at least collaterally, yet not as a principal facility of the Chinese BW alignment,” Mr. Shoham told The Washington Times.

Work on biological weapons is conducted as part of dual civilian-military research and is “definitely covert,” he said in an email.

An article based on nothing.

So, in all of Asia, a deadly virus like this just happens to originate across the river from China's most advance viral research facility?

You should apply for a job in the CCP politburo.

Let's cut the crap - you know it is most likely this emerged from the Wuhan lab.

Why people want to give every excuse as to why it didn't is beyond me.

At the very least it is a significant probability.

tuxy · 02-02-2020 09:33AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

So, in all of Asia, a deadly virus like this just happens to originate across the river from China's most advance viral research facility?

You should apply for a job in the CCP politburo.

Let's cut the crap - you know it is most likely this emerged from the Wuhan lab.

Why people want to give every excuse as to why it didn't is beyond me.

At the very least it is a significant probability.

Did you have to sign a non disclosure contract with the CIA?
Is that why you can't link a source?

kaymin · 02-02-2020 09:33AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

“Certain laboratories in the institute have probably been engaged, in terms of research and development, in Chinese [biological weapons], at least collaterally, yet not as a principal facility of the Chinese BW alignment,” Mr. Shoham told The Washington Times.

Work on biological weapons is conducted as part of dual civilian-military research and is “definitely covert,” he said in an email.

An article based on nothing.

Well if your looking for proof then you will be waiting a while. China is hardly going to be forthright about it. Point is it's not tin foil hat types that are making these claims. It's a plausible scenario.

02-02-2020 09:34AM

Sean 18 wrote: »

I meant if this doesn't end soon China could hit recession tourism etc

And never recover? This will permanently kill China's economy and tourism?

I don't understand how a virus which will be gone in a year or two will continue to affect China in decades to come.

Sean 18 · 02-02-2020 09:35AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

So, in all of Asia, a deadly virus like this just happens to originate across the river from China's most advance viral research facility?

You should apply for a job in the CCP politburo.

Let's cut the crap - you know it is most likely this emerged from the Wuhan lab.

Why people want to give every excuse as to why it didn't is beyond me.

At the very least it is a significant probability.

Definitely something from a lab experiment just read now their after slaughtering 18000 chickens some new bird flu strain affecting poultry

new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

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