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new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

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  • #1052
    auspicious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,539 ✭✭✭auspicious


    Any info. on people immune? Or have any of the small number of people who have successfully been cleared of nCov developed immunity?


  • #1053
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    auspicious wrote: »
    Any info. on people immune? Or have any of the small number of people who have successfully been cleared of nCov developed immunity?

    There have been several reports of people testing positive but being asymptomatic. Most recently a child in Japan


  • #1054
    pc7
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,287 Mod ✭✭✭✭pc7


    Deleted User wrote: »
    So will they keep them on the ship for a week or two? I can't imagine being stuck on a crowded ship with thousands of people during a virus scare.


    Jesus that would be scary, vomiting bugs can run rampant through cruise ships you'd hate to think your stuck onboard with corona.


  • #1055
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    https://cmmid.github.io/ncov/airport_screening_report/airport_screening_preprint_2020_01_28.pdf
    Only 63% of infected people passing through airports are detected due to sensitivity of exit and entry screening, and the proportion of cases which are asymptomatic.
    63% is a really good job imo, but unfortunately it only takes one person to slip through to spread it to many.

    1st case of h2h transmission recorded in S.Korea and Taiwan, new cases in Vietnam and Australia


  • #1056
    4068ac1elhodqr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,577 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    auspicious wrote: »
    Any info. on people immune? Or have any of the small number of people who have successfully been cleared of nCov developed immunity?
    Immunity isn't naturally available for a bat/snake coronavirus, there are some that have recovered, after illness, however this is only the 1st wave, and it may further mutate.

    Read somewhere a family of six had it, but each individual family member had small variations of mutation ongoing when tested.


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  • #1057
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    Apparently coronaviruses are unlikely to mutate. Influenza viruses readily mutate though.


  • #1058
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,046 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    wakka12 wrote: »
    1st case of h2h transmission recorded in S.Korea and Taiwan, new cases in Vietnam and Australia

    Hadn't realised. It's in my city now.


  • #1059
    4068ac1elhodqr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,577 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    pc7 wrote: »
    Jesus that would be scary, vomiting bugs can run rampant through cruise ships you'd hate to think your stuck onboard with corona.
    Would not like to be the CEO or major shareholder of any international travel/tourism provider right at this moment (inc cruises or airlines).

    The markets had a slight rally yesterday after previous dips, but think confidence is slowly being lost, down 1% across Europe since opening, oil down again to $58, gold to $1,580


  • #1060
    Fr_Dougal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,166 ✭✭✭Fr_Dougal


    Deleted User wrote: »
    https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/melbourne-diners-may-have-been-exposed-to-coronavirus/news-story/cdb74c00e305a881ff6938334dbb3ac1



    https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2020/01/two-more-aussie-catch-virus/

    Just think about those odds for a minute...........

    The WHO are asleep at the wheel and should have done something weeks ago....

    I wouldn’t say they’re asleep at the wheel. In their meeting yesterday they mentioned that they were taking socioeconomic implications into consideration.

    I’d imagine we’ll have a big update at the weekend if the projected infections/deaths are true.


  • #1061
    4068ac1elhodqr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,577 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    Wibbs wrote: »
    That reminds me... I've a Soviet era NBC gas mask with all the trimmings somewhere. That should work. Might freak out the neighbours mind you..
    The 10L waterbottle (as photgraphed by someone in China yesterday) is yer only man.

    79EjvC1.png

    Gotta think green and recycle, a quick rinse in the rain, shake and 5sec wave of the UVC wand, and it's ready to go again.


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  • #1062
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    Another big increase in infections, just shy of 8,000 now, double what it was 48 hours ago


  • #1063
    [Deleted User]
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    circadian wrote: »
    I know this is After Hours and all but this is a busy thread and this type of unfounded bulls1ttery isn't helpful in the slightest.

    It's basic probability, they essentially won the lottery, what are the odds, very low if 300 cases is correct....


  • #1064
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,199 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Wonder how this will play out in India, could be another hotspot


  • #1065
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 21,290 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    No face masks available in Boots or McCabes in Dundrum. No hand gels or wipes in prominent position for sale. It seems there is little preparedness here. We should this week have hand gel dispensers in public places. People will have to improvise face masks with scarves etc, that go in for the wash daily.


  • #1066
    4068ac1elhodqr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,577 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    Today's update shows about 8,000 offical cases (as 21:00 EST(US) 29th Jan)

    zIWGs4b.png


  • #1067
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,046 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Deleted User wrote: »
    People will have to improvise face masks with scarves etc, that go in for the wash daily.

    Why would you wash them daily?


  • #1068
    jam_mac_jam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,733 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Why would you wash them daily?

    Because they will be filthy after a couple of hours use.


  • #1069
    cloudatlas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,713 ✭✭✭cloudatlas


    I wonder what the re-infection rates are. Has China closed all its borders now.


  • #1070
    Duke of Url
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,661 ✭✭✭Duke of Url


    Legacy Better Explosion wrote: »
    Today's update shows about 8,000 offical cases (as 21:00 EST(US) 29th Jan)

    zIWGs4b.png

    The totally recovered numbers will be interesting in the next week or 2


  • #1071
    CrankyHaus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭CrankyHaus


    Deleted User wrote: »
    So will they keep them on the ship for a week or two? I can't imagine being stuck on a crowded ship with thousands of people during a virus scare.


    It's actually where the term Quarantine comes from: a 40 day isolation of ships during epidemic.
    Fly the Yellow Jack flag and sit it out.


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  • #1072
    givyjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,286 ✭✭✭givyjoe


    Deleted User wrote: »
    No face masks available in Boots or McCabes in Dundrum. No hand gels or wipes in prominent position for sale. It seems there is little preparedness here. We should this week have hand gel dispensers in public places. People will have to improvise face masks with scarves etc, that go in for the wash daily.

    Had a quick look earlier on Amazon and online in a few places, gold dust. Also now a load of gougers on ebay selling one mask per sale atinflated prices.

    This kind of stuff is probably/partly why governments, the Chinese in this case, might not be fully forthcoming with all of the data.


  • #1073
    CrankyHaus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭CrankyHaus


    I know its not advisable but can surgical masks be, in a pinch, reused or washed in any way?
    Even if not totally effective it would be better than nothing.


  • #1074
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,199 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    givyjoe wrote: »
    Had a quick look earlier on Amazon and online in a few places, gold dust. Also now a load of gougers on ebay selling one mask per sale atinflated prices.

    This kind of stuff is probably/partly why governments, the Chinese in this case, might not be fully forthcoming with all of the data.

    Ebay

    Views today lol

    Plenty cheap ones from China


  • #1075
    Nijmegen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,086 ✭✭✭Nijmegen


    Deleted User wrote: »
    No face masks available in Boots or McCabes in Dundrum. No hand gels or wipes in prominent position for sale. It seems there is little preparedness here. We should this week have hand gel dispensers in public places. People will have to improvise face masks with scarves etc, that go in for the wash daily.

    Scarves etc won't block the very small particles that carry infection.

    Little preparedness is also some people who are very prepared. Big organisations have been buying up all the stock of hand sanitiser they can get their hands on for example, and you can bet your ass the preppers have gone into full swing. Pal of mine works in logistics at a major multiple and has said their home deliveries of bottled water are notably gone up. Some folks settling in already for the long wait at home. Best case scenario I guess it blows over and they have plenty of long life goods to get through in their gaffs, worst case scenario they're able to isolate themselves.
    (Re: health workers staying at home): Never really thought about that, must be so difficult to say goodbye to your family to go to work when this illness seems so infectious, then to go home and risk bringing it back.

    From 2009:
    As many as 85 percent of healthcare workers in Britain may stay home from work in the event of a influenza pandemic, a survey indicates.

    The survey, published in the journal BMC Public Health, suggests that levels of absenteeism may be significantly higher than official estimates and that willingness rather than ability plays the largest role in healthcare workers' decisions to go to work.

    Health workers are mammies and daddies, too.


  • #1076
    Nijmegen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,086 ✭✭✭Nijmegen


    fritzelly wrote: »
    Ebay

    Views today lol

    Plenty cheap ones from China

    Beware schiesters on Ebay, could be sending you the Woodies DIY dust mask.

    Reputable sources used by my org have run out several days ago and don't expect stock till end-Feb, which actually means "We have no idea"


  • #1077
    4068ac1elhodqr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,577 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    Nijmegen wrote: »
    Scarves etc won't block the very small particles that carry infection.
    N95 will only stop 0.5microns, so even those have limitations against e.g. 0.2micon coronaviruses.
    Surely a DIY fine weave cotton fabric with elastic could be used. Double/triple layer if breathing isn't affected, then steralise often to re-use.
    CrankyHaus wrote: »
    I know its not advisable but can surgical masks be, in a pinch, reused or washed in any way?
    Even if not totally effective it would be better than nothing.
    Don't think they're any good once wet, unless made of nylon/cotton fabric etc.


  • #1078
    cloudatlas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,713 ✭✭✭cloudatlas


    Nijmegen wrote: »
    Scarves etc won't block the very small particles that carry infection.

    Little preparedness is also some people who are very prepared. Big organisations have been buying up all the stock of hand sanitiser they can get their hands on for example, and you can bet your ass the preppers have gone into full swing. Pal of mine works in logistics at a major multiple and has said their home deliveries of bottled water are notably gone up. Some folks settling in already for the long wait at home. Best case scenario I guess it blows over and they have plenty of long life goods to get through in their gaffs, worst case scenario they're able to isolate themselves.



    From 2009:



    Health workers are mammies and daddies, too.

    What are you talking about? Who is settling in already for the 'long wait at home'?


  • #1079
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,279 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Russia is closing it's border with China.

    Great. The more isolated Russia is from the world the better.


  • #1080
    Nijmegen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,086 ✭✭✭Nijmegen


    cloudatlas wrote: »
    What are you talking about? Who is settling in already for the 'long wait at home'?

    As I say, if folks are upticking their orders in non-perishables and bottled water etc and you're finding it harder to come across certain things like hand sanitiser in shops (anecdotally) then some folks are already looking at this thing and deciding to prepare for the situation they have in China, where people are isolating at home. Most households can probably only do a week like that with what's on hand before someone has to go out to a shop and mingle. No point trying to stock the larder when everyone figures out (if it gets that bad) it's a real problem and it's like lord of the flies down in Lidl.


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  • #1081
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,032 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    cloudatlas wrote: »
    What are you talking about? Who is settling in already for the 'long wait at home'?


    People who are worried about where this is heading


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