Why don't we tax the Irish outside of Ireland?

Zaph wrote: »

Just because the Americans tax everyone with US citizenship, regardless of where they live, doesn't mean we have to copy them. Those people are already paying taxes in the countries they reside, how is it moral to tax them again simply by virtue of where they happened to be born?

I think they can discount the local income tax they pay against any US tax bill, or they'd be fairly screwed. So it really only catches those who go live in some tax haven.

careless sherpa wrote: »

Would be by virtue of having access to an Irish passport

People already pay a lot of money for the passports. And they've probably paid in a lot of tax when resident in Ireland too. All said being a citizen and having citizens rights is Not primarily about money.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Remind me, what are the benefits you get while abroad as an Irish citizen?

Will Irish Army Rangers come rescue me if theres a coup?

Like most countries worldwide there's no Irish counsul where I reside. We are on our own out here .

medi_bai wrote: »

How is it moral of them to take a passport & the benefits the citizenship gives them while abroad for free, simply by virtue of where they happened to be born?

As an Irish born citizen, you only have access or a right to an Irish passport.

What benefits of Irish citizenship to I get while living working and paying tax overseas exactly?

Consular services and the reciprocal emergency medical services are where the buck stops as far as I have experienced.

Never mind should we deign to return with a few quid in our arse pockets, it will be rapidly picked out by car insurance companies and banks while the usual village idiots begrudge us the "chances" we had and know nothing of the risks we took, the relationships we lost, the loneliness we endured along the way.

with all due respect (which isn't much) stick it up in your arse.

The idea is not quite as mad as people are making out.
The Americans tax citizens on world wide earnings and it's seen as normal.
There are also many Instances of double taxation when people spend time in 2 countries.
I'd like to see something done where perhaps people who leave would have student grants obtained in the previous 5 years turned to debt and registered against them. Let them pay the state for their education regardless of where they chose to live.
You could possibly do this by giving every worker a tax credit equal to the debt payment annually. As soon as you stop earning in Ireland, the debt needs paying.
There is lots that could be done

[Deleted User] wrote: »

If everyone stayed, and stayed on the dole the country would run out of money very quickly.

2010, 30000 irish people emigrated.

Lets do some quick numbers

Dole 186.
186 x 30000 is about 5.5 million - a week. In dole payments alone. Housing assistance, at least another 5 million per week. 120 million a year. Thats before child benefit, medical cards, consumption of resources and services. Versus people leaving when work is short and costing the Exchequer nothing?

Isn’t dole e203 week now. Plus the Xmas bonus ?

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Not in any of the regular places Irish people emigrate to and at some point, there’ll be double taxation agreements with every country.

The American system seems normal in America. Thankfully we’re not America.

I graduated into the recession and went to the UK. The alternative was staying here, claiming dole. How would that have been better?

Plenty Irish guys that got American citizenship paying their taxes to America each year while having returned home.
You graduated into recession. Fair enough. If you go on dole, the education debt is just left on your record for when you return to work. If you went to the UK, you pay the education bill to Irish government. That is what I'd like to see.
I believe UK have or are looking at something similar.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I have no clue because I've never been on the dole. My housing benefit calculation is probably seriously under valued too and theres probably other benefits I forgot.

Considering most people resent paying 170 euros for the TV licence. I can't see an irish abroad tax of much over 1000 a year before the 30,000 from my example say feck that and just don't return, let the passport lapse and get citizenship elsewhere.

And now the Exchequer has lost 30,000 x 75 for renewed passports = 2.25 million.

My number coming from emigration figures from 2010:
https://www.cso.ie/en/media/csoie/releasespublications/documents/population/current/popmig.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwi39aWBiqrnAhV2UBUIHTQQCAgQFjABegQIBhAB&usg=AOvVaw1U4S5N6Mitsc-KP5IOp0jn&cshid=1580345741032

The tv license is e160 wasted on rubbiSh ! Can’t expect people who have left t better themselves or forced on them and then tax them , to pay for luxury social only housing in Dundrum , that they themselves could never reasonably afford !

Gone Drinking wrote: »

Some of us stuck around to keep the place a float so those who didn't like the conditions could have a place called home.

So give back the passport or pay a small fee to hang onto it? Don't know why this is so confusing.

I swear the luas drivers knew what they were at a few years ago.. I'd vote them in at this rate

I pay my fee of 80 euros to renew my passport so there's your fee. So if I pay say 1000 euros tax, whats in it for me if I don't travel back to Ireland?

Gone Drinking wrote: »

RTE? We're all paying the licence fees whilst these lads stream the hurling on a laptop from Bondi beach.

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You didn't even get this right ffs. Watching the hurling from abroad costs 168 a year. If I'm paying your tax for access to rte then I'm certainly no longer paying that for a start.

Another lad suggesting turning grants into debt if someone moves abroad. Grand so, I'll stay home on the dole. Genius.

And if I don't pay you'll take my passport? Grand, that's 75 quid saved before I even calculate the tax you want, and aer lingus will be down about three grand seeing as I won't be coming home with the family anymore, you can explain to the vintners that I'll be supping pints on Galveston Beach in Christmases future and all.

But yeah for sure we should be giving more money to a country that looks willing to reelect Fianna fail. Again. They'll make great use of it I'm sure.

Sometimes I wonder how some posters here don't drown in their breakfast cereal in the mornings.