Why don't we tax the Irish outside of Ireland?

Gone Drinking · 30-01-2020 12:34AM #1

0.5% from the earnings of any person with an Irish passport living and earning abroad. Just until a good part of the national debt is paid.

These lads have all done well to pull a runner, earning a good living in whatever country, leaving the rest of us to sort out our countries finances. The average person didn't fcuk this place to begin with but why should only those left at home have to fix it!

Also, pubs that want to brand themselves as an Irish bar in a foreign country should pay a tax.

I'd vote for a party with this agenda.

Thoughts?

KaneToad · 30-01-2020 12:38AM

Gone Drinking wrote: »

0.5% from the earnings of any person with an Irish passport living and earning abroad. Just until a good part of the national debt is paid.

These lads have all done well to pull a runner, earning a good living in whatever country, leaving the rest of us to sort out our countries finances. The average person didn't fcuk this place to begin with but why should only those left at home have to fix it!

Also, pubs that want to brand themselves as an Irish bar in a foreign country should pay a tax.

I'd vote for a party with this agenda.

Thoughts?

But...but...JP McManus is a great man...he spends loads of his money in Limerick. But doesn't like to talk about it...

maninasia · 30-01-2020 12:40AM

Gone Drinking wrote: »

0.5% from the earnings of any person with an Irish passport living and earning abroad. Just until a good part of the national debt is paid.

These lads have all done well to pull a runner, earning a good living in whatever country, leaving the rest of us to sort out our countries finances. The average person didn't fcuk this place to begin with but why should only those left at home have to fix it!

Also, pubs that want to brand themselves as an Irish bar in a foreign country should pay a tax.

I'd vote for a party with this agenda.

Thoughts?

I'd vote for you to stick your head down the toilet and give it a good flush . Clear out yer old cobwebs.

EmmetSpiceland · 30-01-2020 12:41AM

In exchange for a vote in “presidential” elections, maybe?

elperello · 30-01-2020 12:44AM

They did us a favour by going away to make a living because Ireland could not provide it for them.

Couldn't see the idea getting much political support.

Larbre34 · 30-01-2020 12:44AM

Gone Drinking wrote: »

Also, pubs that want to brand themselves as an Irish bar in a foreign country should pay a tax.

Can we close this please?

elperello · 30-01-2020 12:45AM

Larbre34 wrote: »

Can we close this please?

The Irish bar?
It's a bit early

Darc19 · 30-01-2020 12:45AM

Op has a very apt username ðŸ˜‚

mystic86 · 30-01-2020 12:46AM

And under what authority would you collect it? Who will you send around to their house in Vietnam or New Zealand if they don't pay up?

Pauliedragon · 30-01-2020 12:47AM

Gone Drinking wrote: »

0.5% from the earnings of any person with an Irish passport living and earning abroad. Just until a good part of the national debt is paid.

These lads have all done well to pull a runner, earning a good living in whatever country, leaving the rest of us to sort out our countries finances. The average person didn't fcuk this place to begin with but why should only those left at home have to fix it!

Also, pubs that want to brand themselves as an Irish bar in a foreign country should pay a tax.

I'd vote for a party with this agenda.

Thoughts?

Living up to the oul username are we?

medi_bai · 30-01-2020 12:49AM

mystic86 wrote: »

And under what authority would you collect it? Who will you send around to their house in Vietnam or New Zealand if they don't pay up?

Simple enough really, when they apply for their next passport, don't issue until the bill is settled in full (plus penalties?).

The yanks have been managing to do it for years.

Zaph · 30-01-2020 12:51AM

Just because the Americans tax everyone with US citizenship, regardless of where they live, doesn't mean we have to copy them. Those people are already paying taxes in the countries they reside, how is it moral to tax them again simply by virtue of where they happened to be born?

KiKi III · 30-01-2020 12:52AM

“No taxation without representation.”

How many TDs are going to represent this diaspora in the Dail?

medi_bai · 30-01-2020 12:53AM

How is it moral of them to take a passport & the benefits the citizenship gives them while abroad for free, simply by virtue of where they happened to be born?

careless sherpa · 30-01-2020 12:54AM

Zaph wrote: »

Just because the Americans tax everyone with US citizenship, regardless of where they live, doesn't mean we have to copy them. Those people are already paying taxes in the countries they reside, how is it moral to tax them again simply by virtue of where they happened to be born?

Would be by virtue of having access to an Irish passport

matchthis · 30-01-2020 12:54AM

Would cost more to operate than run. Different jurisdictions, would be a nightmare to enforce. As said already, when these guys left, they reduced the amount that would’ve been unemployed. I’d say a good few of them also sent money home. Families were torn apart and not always a choice that was easily taken. All I ask is they don’t be arseholes where they settle

con___manx1 · 30-01-2020 12:55AM

Gone Drinking wrote: »

0.5% from the earnings of any person with an Irish passport living and earning abroad. Just until a good part of the national debt is paid.

These lads have all done well to pull a runner, earning a good living in whatever country, leaving the rest of us to sort out our countries finances. The average person didn't fcuk this place to begin with but why should only those left at home have to fix it!

Also, pubs that want to brand themselves as an Irish bar in a foreign country should pay a tax.

I'd vote for a party with this agenda.

Thoughts?

Those people who did a runner saved the government millions in social welfare payments. They had no other option really during the recession. I myself was one of them and am happily back home now.
America is the only country that taxes citizens that live abroad that I no of.

30-01-2020 12:56AM

I already pay plenty of taxes while living outside of Ireland... But sure, hit me with more tax, and I'll clear away all investments/property/savings located in the country. I suppose I could also stop sending money to my parents (which they spend in Ireland), and the subsequent tax that I pay on those transfers.

OP. Just because we're not living in Ireland doesn't mean we don't contribute.

Fr_Dougal · 30-01-2020 12:58AM

KiKi III wrote: »

“No taxation without representation.”

How many TDs are going to represent this diaspora in the Dail?

How many flew home to vote in the referendums?

No representation without taxation?

Gone Drinking · 30-01-2020 01:02AM

I thought this would be an unpopular opinion so I have to say I'm humbled by the support of this objective.

I genuinely believe this is an initiative we can all get behind.

30-01-2020 01:03AM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

How many flew home to vote in the referendums?

No representation without taxation?

And how many didn't? I didn't. I'm back home now, and I won't be voting during the election. i know a variety of Irish people abroad who consider that we don't have the right to vote since we're not actively living in the country. Others feel differently.

In any case, there are many types of taxes that can still be applied to Irish citizens while they're living/working abroad.

Mrs OBumble · 30-01-2020 01:05AM

You know that most of em have never even lived in Ireland?

Hup the foreign-born nationals!

Kermit.de.frog · 30-01-2020 01:06AM

So let me get this straight OP.

You want the government to tax Irish people living abroad despite the fact most of them are living abroad as a direct result of the country's failure to manage it's affairs properly having driven them out?

So, not content with them having been rogered once in being forced to emigrate - you think they should be bent over and rogered again forever for the privilege?

The hilarious thing is looks like Irish people are going to put FF back in - the party who sent them all packing after their last stint.

Incredible.

Padre_Pio · 30-01-2020 01:07AM

Gone Drinking wrote: »

I thought this would be an unpopular opinion so I have to say I'm humbled by the support of this objective.

I genuinely believe this is an initiative we can all get behind.

It's bollox.

Your logic is flawed.

The government, banks and others f*cked the country, forcing many Irish to leave, and now you want to tax them for the privilage of holding an Irish passport.

Gway to f*ck.

I'd like to point out the Irish government ran a scheme which paid Irish nurses working abroad to come home. It closed last year due to lack of applicants.

andekwarhola · 30-01-2020 01:08AM

Just tax anybody that returns from Australia on a per tale or Instagram post basis. Pay the national debt off in about 3 months.

30-01-2020 01:08AM

medi_bai wrote: »

How is it moral of them to take a passport & the benefits the citizenship gives them while abroad for free, simply by virtue of where they happened to be born?

Remind me, what are the benefits you get while abroad as an Irish citizen?

Will Irish Army Rangers come rescue me if theres a coup?

Donnielighto · 30-01-2020 01:14AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

So let me get this straight OP.

You want the government to tax Irish people living abroad despite the fact most of them are living abroad as a direct result of the country's failure to manage it's affairs properly having driven them out?

So, not content with them having been rogered once in being forced to emigrate - you think they should be bent over and rogered again forever for the privilege?

The hilarious thing is looks like Irish people are going to put FF back in - the party who sent them all packing after their last stint.

Incredible.

There's a bunch of teachers and nurses working in Dubai and the Emirates isn't there. Educated for 16 17 years here and will return but not contribute to the next generation for a few years. Not all the diaspora are forced out at all, plenty are economic immigrants by choice.

Donnielighto · 30-01-2020 01:14AM

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Remind me, what are the benefits you get while abroad as an Irish citizen?

Will Irish Army Rangers come rescue me if theres a coup?

Consular services? Can return for healthcare too if it's worth it.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 30-01-2020 01:14AM

medi_bai wrote: »

How is it moral of them to take a passport & the benefits the citizenship gives them while abroad for free, simply by virtue of where they happened to be born?

What are the benefits of Irish citizenship for somebody living and working in another country? Virtually nobody is stateless.

Padre_Pio · 30-01-2020 01:18AM

Donnielighto wrote: »

There's a bunch of teachers and nurses working in Dubai and the Emirates isn't there. Educated for 16 17 years here and will return but not contribute to the next generation for a few years. Not all the diaspora are forced out at all, plenty are economic immigrants by choice.

I've no problem with people moving for better wages and standard of living than Ireland can provide.
We already benefit from thousands of immigrants who left their respective countries for similar reasons.

Donnielighto wrote: »

Consular services? Can return for healthcare too if it's worth it.

How often would one use consular services, and you'd need to be REALLY hard up to return to Ireland for our stellar health service :rolleyes:

Gone Drinking · 30-01-2020 01:20AM

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Remind me, what are the benefits you get while abroad as an Irish citizen?

RTE? We're all paying the licence fees whilst these lads stream the hurling on a laptop from Bondi beach.

How's it fair to be able to travel the world off the back of a passport the rest of us are paying hyped up taxes for?

If they don't want to pay, hand back the passport. Sure most have citizenship in their new countries anyway.

Why don't we tax the Irish outside of Ireland?

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