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Ireland Team Talk XI: Team of nervoUS MOD warning Post 1

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    #4622
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users Posts: 8,506 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    daddy pig wrote: »
    It's not a provincial back and forth - we have talked about Munster and Munster only. I have failed to see any mention of Connacht, Leinster or Ulster.

    Do not make it out that the Munster group was the hardest group in the competition when it wasn't. Munster were never in the running to make it out of the group - Racing qualified comfortably and Saracens made it out with a B team after throwing 2 games.

    The criteria was not which pool was the hardest to win - that privilege belonged to Pool 3 where two teams won 5 games so Racing having an away QF doesn't change the fact they strolled into the quarter finals without any threat of elimination.


    That nonsense doesn’t even warrant a response.


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    #4623
    Squidgy Black
    Registered Users Posts: 21,609 ✭✭✭✭Squidgy Black


    Ireland v Scotland: Jordan Larmour; Andrew Conway, Garry Ringrose, Bundee Aki, Jacob Stockdale; Johnny Sexton (capt), Conor Murray; Cian Healy, Rob Herring, Tadhg Furlong, Iain Henderson, James Ryan, CJ Stander, Josh van der Flier, Caelan Doris.

    Replacements: Dave Kilcoyne, Ronan Kelleher, Andrew Porter, Devin Toner, Peter O'Mahony, John Cooney, Robbie Henshaw, Ross Byrne.


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    #4624
    typhoony
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    bit surprised with Herring, in one of the recent Ulster games can't remember which on the Lineout was a shambles in the first half, it got sorted in the 2nd half.

    the rest of the team is as expected, I didn't really think murray would be left out.


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    #4625
    Squidgy Black
    Registered Users Posts: 21,609 ✭✭✭✭Squidgy Black


    typhoony wrote: »
    bit surprised with Herring, in one of the recent Ulster games can't remember which on the Lineout was a shambles in the first half, it got sorted in the 2nd half.

    Most Ulster games this season to be honest, lineout has been woeful. But I don't think that's primarily down to Herring.


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    #4626
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users Posts: 8,506 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    Toner and POm on the bench shows to me a lack of confidence in our lineout.


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    #4627
    thomond2006
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    I'm less enthused about the actual lineup.


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    #4628
    Pudsy33
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    I really like that backline, looking forward to seeing it in action. I hope Cooney gets more than a token few mins.


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    #4629
    [Deleted User]
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    "Build a score and hold onto it", the movie.


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    #4630
    Former Former
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    The most interesting thing to say is that none of the journos got it right (I don't think).

    Sure look, it's a grand team, reasonably progressive, happy enough.


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    #4631
    Podge_irl
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    Not too sold on Henshaw covering the whole back 5.


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    #4632
    molloyjh
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    Big thumbs up with the starting XV. The bench a little less so. I'd have had Addison ahead of Henshaw for the 23 shirt and we wont get much impact from Toner or POM. A bit of a fallback in terms of security maybe, but we shouldn't need that nor should we be thinking that way. In reality though, other than those 3 selections this a good squad.


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    #4633
    Squidgy Black
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    Podge_irl wrote: »
    Not too sold on Henshaw covering the whole back 5.

    In the case that one of the back three get injured I'd say he'll go to fullback and they'll shift Larmour to the wing.


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    #4634
    Podge_irl
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    molloyjh wrote: »
    Big thumbs up with the starting XV. The bench a little less so. I'd have had Addison ahead of Henshaw for the 23 shirt and we wont get much impact from Toner or POM. A bit of a fallback in terms of security maybe, but we shouldn't need that nor should we be thinking that way. In reality though, other than those 3 selections this a good squad.

    Yeah, hard to argue with the starting team. If they go well I think we might see some more adventurous selections on the bench next time out.


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    #4635
    redmca2
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    Not particularly impressed with Toner on the bench, would have preferred Deegan


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    #4636
    Podge_irl
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    Squidgy Black wrote: »
    In the case that one of the back three get injured I'd say he'll go to fullback and they'll shift Larmour to the wing.

    Can't really see what else they would do, but doesn't exactly inspire confidence does it? His one game at 15 in the last few years was not exactly a roaring success. Seems an odd call over Addison (or even Earls to be honest).


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    #4637
    The Rooster
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    I hear Cooney has been injured and only yesterday took part in his first contact training session. So that probably made the decision easier.

    Aki ahead of Henshaw is an interesting one and not predicted by many of the media "experts"


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    #4638
    Rockbeast2
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    I suspect there is still uncertainty about Larmour.

    If not fully-fit in time, Addison will slot straight in at 15.


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    #4639
    Granny15
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    Little bit conservative but he he's showing progression at least.

    Welcome change in the backrow - think it will free up a few more ball carriers - all 3 can carry well.

    Conways been knocking at the door of a 6 nations start its a chance for him to put down a big marker and claim the position as his own - is Earls injured or dropped?

    Bundee to add a bit of ballast in the backline - I had a feeling Farrell would go for big ball carriers in the team and this seems to back that up.


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    #4640
    Squidgy Black
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    redmca2 wrote: »
    Not particularly impressed with Toner on the bench, would have preferred Deegan

    ......Toner's a second row. They were never competing for the 19 shirt, unless you're saying POM would be second row cover....


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    #4641
    The Rooster
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    redmca2 wrote: »
    Not particularly impressed with Toner on the bench, would have preferred Deegan
    The choice was POM or Deegan. Neither of them could properly cover 2nd row at international level.


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    #4642
    whatawaster
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    Happy enough with that team - I'd have Cooney in for Murray, Kelleher in for Herring (though match fitness may be an issue), but not a bad team.

    More important than selection will be our attacking intent


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    #4643
    molloyjh
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    Podge_irl wrote: »
    Yeah, hard to argue with the starting team. If they go well I think we might see some more adventurous selections on the bench next time out.

    My only concern with the starting XV is the line out. Herring and Henderson have been the central figures in a badly malfunctioning Ulster line out. Now they're central figures in the Irish line out.


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    #4644
    Podge_irl
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    molloyjh wrote: »
    My only concern with the starting XV is the line out. Herring and Henderson have been the central figures in a badly malfunctioning Ulster line out. Now they're central figures in the Irish line out.

    Probably why Toner and POM are there alright. Hopefully if the lineout goes ok we can look at maybe Dillane and Deegan instead.


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    #4645
    sydthebeat
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    Granny15 wrote: »

    Bundee to add a bit of ballast in the backline - I had a feeling Farrell would go for big ball carriers in the team and this seems to back that up.

    What are you on about??

    Aki is the literally the smallest of a choice of Henshaw, Farrell or Mc Closky.
    Each of the others would have offered at least as strong a ball carry option.

    Its not at all unusual to have a 12 that can truck it up hard to get front foot, you make it sound like its some kind of new departure.


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    #4646
    lawrencesummers
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    molloyjh wrote: »
    My only concern with the starting XV is the line out. Herring and Henderson have been the central figures in a badly malfunctioning Ulster line out. Now they're central figures in the Irish line out.

    Ryan calls not Hendo.


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    #4647
    arsebiscuits1
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    redmca2 wrote: »
    Not particularly impressed with Toner on the bench, would have preferred Deegan

    If we get to be disappointed about players getting picked over players in a different position then I'm disappointed with Toner on the bench. Would have preferred Luke McGrath :pac:


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    #4648
    Eod100
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    Only 2 players different from starting same game last year. Best and POM, so really 1 different with Best retired. https://twitter.com/rpetty80/status/1222151447485337600?s=19


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    #4649
    aloooof
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    Eod100 wrote: »
    Only 2 players different from starting same game last year. Best and POM, so really 1 different with Best retired. https://twitter.com/rpetty80/status/1222151447485337600?s=19

    It's versus the RWC team but that overlooks injuries, for Earls and Kearney for example. There's a decent amount of change in the team, imo, so that's a bit of a misleading stat.


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    #4650
    Mr Tickle
    Registered Users Posts: 1,155 ✭✭✭Mr Tickle


    Squidgy Black wrote: »
    In the case that one of the back three get injured I'd say he'll go to fullback and they'll shift Larmour to the wing.

    I'd like to see him get more time at 15. It might even help him stay fit if he's not hitting such heavy traffic all the time. He was great there when he was younger.


    I think the selection is pretty solid to be honest. POM and Toner may not be the most obvious impact players but they're a know quantity and are both hard workers. Now there's a case for an either/or selection and going with Dilanne instead of Toner. That way we'd have one new back row and one relatively new second row. Still though, for Farrell's first team I think it's pretty good.

    And again, we have a very young Kelleher getting his first cap. May as well make life easy on the guy.


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    #4651
    Podge_irl
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    aloooof wrote: »
    It's versus the RWC team but that overlooks injuries, for Earls and Kearney for example. There's a decent amount of change in the team, imo, so that's a bit of a misleading stat.

    Also, lest it be forgotten, Ireland were actually pretty good against Scotland in the RWC.


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