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Mad_maxx · 26-01-2020 01:56PM

Ahwell wrote: »

In comparison to what? Just because you say something is so doesn't mean it is? Of the 36 OECD counties social welfare spending as a percentage of GDP, we come in 5th last. Multinationals having their headquarters here does tend to inflate our GDP, so if you look at social spending per capita instead we come in about half way, just behind the US.

Again, in comparison to other countries that's not true. Pensions are compared across counties by the using Net pension replacement rates. In the OECD we come 3rd last.

you think we spend the third least on pensions of any country in the OECD ?

26-01-2020 01:56PM

Mad_maxx wrote: »

you think we spend the third least on pensions of any country in the OECD ?

I know we have the 3rd lowest Net pension replacement rate .

Mad_maxx · 26-01-2020 02:26PM

Ahwell wrote: »

I know we have the 3rd lowest Net pension replacement rate .

are you saying the state pension in this country is the 3rd lowest in the OECD ?

maybe i misunderstood ?

Idbatterim · 26-01-2020 02:30PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Rent crisis
Housing crisis
Infrastructure and services

The country literally cannot cope with the level of immigration.

And btw, I never mentioned a "kind" that was actually you trying to drag the debate down to a level where you can avoid the real issues.

These immigrants mostly come here to work and contribute. The housing crisis ? How many wasters here are occupying tax payer funded houses , who have never worked ?

Idbatterim · 26-01-2020 02:32PM

Ahwell wrote: »

In comparison to what? Just because you say something is so doesn't mean it is? Of the 36 OECD counties social welfare spending as a percentage of GDP, we come in 5th last. Multinationals having their headquarters here does tend to inflate our GDP, so if you look at social spending per capita instead we come in about half way, just behind the US.

Again, in comparison to other countries that's not true. Pensions are compared across counties by the using Net pension replacement rates. In the OECD we come 3rd last.

That welfare Spend is pretty impressive, given huge amounts pay virtually nothing into the system, which is not the case in other countries

26-01-2020 02:40PM

Mad_maxx wrote: »

are you saying the state pension in this country is the 3rd lowest in the OECD ?

maybe i misunderstood ?

The Net pension replacement rate is the percentage of a worker's current income that a particular pension plan can be expected to produce, i.e. how your pension compares to the income you had before you retired. So pensioners here are relatively worse off than most other OECD counties.

26-01-2020 02:50PM

Mad_maxx wrote: »

you think we spend the third least on pensions of any country in the OECD ?

To answer this question, our pension spending is the 5th lowest in the OECD.

https://data.oecd.org/socialexp/pension-spending.htm

Mad_maxx · 26-01-2020 03:14PM

Ahwell wrote: »

The Net pension replacement rate is the percentage of a worker's current income that a particular pension plan can be expected to produce, i.e. how your pension compares to the income you had before you retired. So pensioners here are relatively worse off than most other OECD counties.

So the state pension in Ireland is not particularly generous?

26-01-2020 03:17PM

Mad_maxx wrote: »

So the state pension in Ireland is not particularly generous?

Relative to other countries, it isn't.

Mad_maxx · 26-01-2020 03:23PM

Ahwell wrote: »

Relative to other countries, it isn't.

Far as I know, in the case of Germany, what you receive post retirement is determined by what you put in

Not so here where even you never paid a red cent in PRSI contributions, you are entitled to a mere tenner per week less than those on the contributory pension

26-01-2020 03:31PM

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Far as I know, in the case of Germany, what you receive post retirement is determined by what you put in

Not so here where even you never paid a red cent in PRSI contributions, you are entitled to a mere tenner per week less than those on the contributory pension

There would be all different kinds of pension systems across the OECD, it's a complex thing to compare. The Net pension replacement rate is a way of doing it.

Mad_maxx · 26-01-2020 03:38PM

Ahwell wrote: »

There would be all different kinds of pension systems across the OECD, it's a complex thing to compare. The Net pension replacement rate is a way of doing it.

A selective way of doing it

26-01-2020 03:56PM

Mad_maxx wrote: »

A selective way of doing it

It's the way the OECD does it, it's not selective. You would struggle to select a way of showing that the Irish OAP is generous.

Mad_maxx · 26-01-2020 04:17PM

Ahwell wrote: »

It's the way the OECD does it, it's not selective. You would struggle to select a way of showing that the Irish OAP is generous.

I did earlier, you could have never worked a day in your life and still only be a tenner short of the contributory pension

Idbatterim · 26-01-2020 04:22PM

Ahwell wrote: »

Relative to other countries, it isn't.

DO the other countries throw free tv license, travel , medical card at them ? The other countries also have a meaningful property tax

26-01-2020 04:29PM

Idbatterim wrote: »

These immigrants mostly come here to work and contribute. The housing crisis ? How many wasters here are occupying tax payer funded houses , who have never worked ?

I have no problem with immigration where it is needed. But it should be controlled, this is key to solving many of our problems. Hard working immigrants are not to blame, it's so frustrating that people turn this into a personal attack on immigrants. It's simply an imbalanced broken system. Immigrants need somewhere to live, they need buses, trains and roads to travel on. They need hospitals, the list goes on and on. The country literally cannot cope. If a company needs to hire externally then by all means, but only if they can demonstrate that it is necessary and only if it is for a skill which is on a predetermined list of skill shortages.

Iscreamkone · 26-01-2020 04:46PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I have no problem with immigration where it is needed. But it should be controlled, this is key to solving many of our problems. Hard working immigrants are not to blame, it's so frustrating that people turn this into a personal attack on immigrants. It's simply an imbalanced broken system. Immigrants need somewhere to live, they need buses, trains and roads to travel on. They need hospitals, the list goes on and on. The country literally cannot cope. If a company needs to hire externally then by all means, but only if they can demonstrate that it is necessary and only if it is for a skill which is on a predetermined list of skill shortages.

Let’s make more rules and more government departments to implement these rules. Ffs.

What we need to be doing is reducing the size of government and the public service.

26-01-2020 05:11PM

Iscreamkone wrote: »

Let’s make more rules and more government departments to implement these rules. Ffs.

Or genuine efforts to make the existing rules and departments more efficient... Those rules need to be examined in an unemotional and practical sense to determine what is beneficial to the nation, as a whole. In terms of immigrants, those who are unable to contribute should be an extreme minority.

What we need to be doing is reducing the size of government and the public service.

Agreed... however both will increase as immigrants unable to directly support themselves are allowed into the country, in addition to the natives who are unable to support themselves without State interference or welfare. A welfare state tends to breed further generations who are dependent on welfare, and therefore increased supports are needed within the government itself to administer such.

26-01-2020 05:30PM

Mad_maxx wrote: »

I did earlier, you could have never worked a day in your life and still only be a tenner short of the contributory pension

And how people have never worked a day in their lives?

Mad_maxx · 26-01-2020 05:32PM

Ahwell wrote: »

And how people have never worked a day in their lives?

?

26-01-2020 05:35PM

Mad_maxx wrote: »

?

you could have never worked a day in your life

How many people does this apply to?

Eric Cartman · 26-01-2020 05:49PM

Ahwell wrote: »

And how people have never worked a day in their lives?

43,375 people. (2013)

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/one-in-seven-people-on-the-dole-has-never-worked-a-single-day-29278033.html

In a related topic, I just found a way to save the government 424 million quid on JSA.

Idbatterim · 26-01-2020 06:17PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

43,375 people. (2013)

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/one-in-seven-people-on-the-dole-has-never-worked-a-single-day-29278033.html

In a related topic, I just found a way to save the government 424 million quid on JSA.

Holy **** that is obscene!

26-01-2020 06:18PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

43,375 people. (2013)

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/one-in-seven-people-on-the-dole-has-never-worked-a-single-day-29278033.html

In a related topic, I just found a way to save the government 424 million quid on JSA.

That's from 2013, the unemployment situation is a lot different now - the long term unemployment rate is much lower at 1.4%. The most relative figure here is the 2,677 people aged between 60 and 65 who have never made any PRSI contribution. It's a fairly small number and does not negate the fact that for the vast majority people who do work throughout their lives the old age pension they receive is not generous compared to other OECD countries.

Eric Cartman · 26-01-2020 06:25PM

Ahwell wrote: »

That's from 2013, the unemployment situation is a lot different now - the long term unemployment rate is much lower at 1.4%. The most relative figure here is the 2,677 people aged between 60 and 65 who have never made any PRSI contribution. It's a fairly small number and does not negate the fact that for the vast majority people who do work throughout their lives the old age pension they receive is not generous compared to other OECD countries.

its actually 2.1% which is 50,000 people
https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/er/lfs/labourforcesurveyquarter32018/

26-01-2020 06:30PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

its actually 2.1% which is 50,000 people
https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/er/lfs/labourforcesurveyquarter32018/

That's out of date, 20 November 2018. "Long Term Unemployment Rate in Ireland decreased to 1.40 percent in the third quarter of 2019"

https://tradingeconomics.com/ireland/long-term-unemployment-rate

marieholmfan · 26-01-2020 06:34PM

Ahwell wrote: »

That's out of date, 20 November 2018. "Long Term Unemployment Rate in Ireland decreased to 1.40 percent in the third quarter of 2019"

https://tradingeconomics.com/ireland/long-term-unemployment-rate

Ouch Eric Cartman google fu was no match for FACTS and LOGIC .

Reality has a left wing bias!

Eric Cartman · 26-01-2020 06:38PM

Ahwell wrote: »

That's out of date, 20 November 2018. "Long Term Unemployment Rate in Ireland decreased to 1.40 percent in the third quarter of 2019"

https://tradingeconomics.com/ireland/long-term-unemployment-rate

Thats still 33,000 people long term unemployed during a period of full employment , extrapolating the 43,000 people measured in 2013 having never worked and tracking the long term unemployment rate the likely outcome of it is that there are still over 25,000 people in Ireland who have never worked a day in their lives. Which is scandalous.

26-01-2020 07:06PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Thats still 33,000 people long term unemployed during a period of full employment , extrapolating the 43,000 people measured in 2013 having never worked and tracking the long term unemployment rate the likely outcome of it is that there are still over 25,000 people in Ireland who have never worked a day in their lives. Which is scandalous.

It's a problem we share with all developed countries. The figure for the UK is nearly 10% of adults have never done paid work.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peoplenotinwork/economicinactivity/articles/despiterecordemploymentnearly10ofadultshaveneverdonepaidwork/2019-02-28

Eric Cartman · 26-01-2020 07:11PM

Ahwell wrote: »

It's a problem we share with all developed countries. The figure for the UK is nearly 10% of adults have never done paid work.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peoplenotinwork/economicinactivity/articles/despiterecordemploymentnearly10ofadultshaveneverdonepaidwork/2019-02-28

if you took the time to go through that you'd see that their stats include a lot of categories we don't like disabled people and students , the last slide was the most important one and relevant to compare to our stats

That leaves a remainder of 190,000 people, just 5% of the original 3.6 million. We can break them down a bit further – 16,000 are awaiting the results of a job application, 10,000 are “discouraged workers” (they believe there is no point in looking), and 15,000 say they don’t need a job. A further 28,000 – most of them young people – are “not yet looking” for a job.

so theres 53,000 people in the UK who just aren't seeking jobs and have never worked at all.

Regardless of 'other countries' having an issue, Ireland has atleast 25,000 parasites roaming around.

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