Greta Thunberg (Continued...)

It costs a lot of money to hang around Davos this time of year and her minder Luisa Neubauer (23) showed up again by the climate worriers side.





Greta knows only what she is told and says only what is written for her and her father and an Indian activist from the UN write her responses. She is a credible actress with passion. The incident where she sat in first class on the train home but they took a photo of her on the floor to create this image of suffering. Except the train company called it out. This is stage managed and advised by a lot of people, I believe the term for this behaviour is astroturfing.

im not sure if the hate for Greta is passive, ignorant or the profane?

mandrake04 wrote: »

I’m no climate change denier, I don’t hate Greta but to me she is no hero or genius but it’s apparent if you say anything against her you are automatically branded some sort of ignorant denier. You can’t criticise the almighty St Greta.

Look I understand what’s she saying but I already bought it from scientists and other sources than from someone who is..eh intellectually challenged.

For every fan of hers there’s probably 5 that don’t like her.

Nope. Feel free to dislike her all you want.

People should just be prepared to be challenged on their ' logic' when trying to come up with some reason to explain why they don't like her other than acknowledging that that is all it is.

For the record, nothing she has done so far indicates that she is a genius, likewise, she is not yet a hero because she or her protests have yet to be the catalyst to the radical change which is required being implemented.

But she is a very principled, dedicated person who is trying to lead by example and advocate for change instead of just shrugging her shoulders or ignoring the issue. She is to be applauded for that much at least in my book and the best way to support her is to support her message.

Tell me how wrote: »

But she is a very principled, dedicated person who is trying to lead by example and advocate for change instead of just shrugging her shoulders or ignoring the issue. She is to be applauded for that much at least in my book and the best way to support her is to support her message.

Greta Thunberg and her followers are calling for rapidly rebuilding the global energy system, while also completely restructuring the world’s economic, social and political systems. All this turmoil in the name of limiting future global warming to 1/2 degree celcius. That is just nuts.

Look at it this way. If alarmism is the religion, which it sort of is, then Thunberg represents the new fundamentalism. As with most fundamentalism, the core belief is very simple in this case our actions threaten destruction so they must end now. Full stop. There is no reasoning with them and if you disagree you are just part of the problem. They have their own dogmas which they label the united science, the wacky tipping point, death and extinction speculations that we can laugh at. And we can laugh at them, up to the point where they gain power, if they ever do. Then not so much . . .


In addition the USA elected a climate sceptic, and in Davos recently both he and Greta Thunberg have stolen the limelight from German chancellor Angela Merkel who is trying to rescue her political legacy as the costly impacts of the Energiewende and associated policies to appease the Green bloc within Germany are becoming apparent to the domestic German population and resistance is rising.


German farmers set bonfires across the country in protest at being 'ignored' in climate drive

“We feel that government is being driven by green groups and NGOs. They are chasing the Green party vote and ignoring farmers even though we are their core voters,” said Helmut Lebacher, the organiser of a bonfire in the small Bavarian village of Tyrlaching.

Himself a cattle farmer, Mr Lebacher said that ever stricter regulations are threatening the financial viability of small farms.

"I invested a million euros in a new cow shed five years ago, but it wouldn't get planning today. Constantly changing regulations are making it impossible to plan for the future," he said.

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President Macron of France ran into the same problem and lit the fuse with "climate legislation" with the yellow vests still protesting.


And the Dutch government has to deal with a Farmers uprising.


The Dutch dairy dilemma - How dairy farmers in the Netherlands are coping with new phosphates regulations

"The Dutch dairy industry has produced too many phosphates since milk quotas ended, so in a bid to reduce these levels the government allocated phosphate rights to each dairy farmer based on their 2015 herd sizes.

"By then I had started to expand and was allocated 5,000kg of phosphate rights, which was enough for 110 cows.

"As it stands, a cow produces around 45kg of phosphates per year so in reality I need 9,000kg phosphates rights for 200 cows.

"However, at the moment I have 160 cows which requires phosphates rights of 7,200kg so I really have 50 cows too many in the barn.

"With phosphate rights trading at €220 per kilogram I would need to invest another half a million euro in phosphate rights just to stand still with current numbers, but I cannot afford to do that."

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How a Nitrogen Crisis Turned Dutch Farmers to Rage

“The problem the high-court saw in the PAS-system was that it isn’t clear whether giving out a nitrogen license would lead to the deterioration of the natural ecosystem in a certain area,” Elshof explains. “The government never had a plan b. Three-thousand farms and building projects lost their nitrogen rights overnight. That has led to an explosion of dissatisfaction among farmers who have had more and more environmental demands piling up on them to begin with. ”

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Prince Charles flew 16,000 miles in just 11 days using three private jets and one helicopter before proudly posing with Greta Thunberg in Davos


How come she did not scold him for all that C02? or at the very least refuse to pose with him for all the carbon sins he committed? Her role is simply to be a photo opportunity prop as Vanessa Nakate (23) from Uganda discovered when she got cropped out of the photo with Greta by Associated Press.


https://mobile.twitter.com/i/broadcasts/1BRJjqgyMLpGw


I doubt there was anything racist about it. Greta is the story and the woman from Uganda distracts the focus from Greta Thunberg who is the story that sells so would be expected to be center of the picture.

Anyway on topic. Heres BBCs Scotlands take.
Warning: This is humour but very likley will still offend some viewers ...



Love the subtitles :pac:

Paddygreen wrote: »

Who's name will be remembered a thousand years from now if we don't go extinct, it's going to be Greta innit. Who will have monuments constructed as a celebration of her achievements- Greta. Who is going to have the biggest gig on earth since Jesus of Nazareth? Again Greta. Little kids who have climate awareness raised all over the world love Greta, worship Greta, have little Greta shrines where they can be inspired by the wonder of Greta. Greta is our hope. Greta is the future. Who makes us listen to the science, Greta. Who is spreading the most important message of all time Greta. Who is wise wonderful and divine Greta. Greta Greta Greta Greta Greta Greta Greta. ....

And then you came

gozunda wrote: »

Anyway on topic. Heres BBCs Scotlands take.
Warning: This is humour but very likley will still offend some viewers ...

Love the subtitles :pac:

That's brilliant isn't it. It's so cutting. Right up there with the likes of Monty Python or the work of Demot Morgan or Armando Iannucci for cutting edge satire. Really excellent. So many layers to it.

Really is only people of a certain intellect who will be able to get the nuanced humour within it.

KyussB wrote: »

Astroturfing is creating the appearance of a grassroots movement - which means that a huge proportion of the activists in the climate strikes on 20th September last, would have to have been manufactured and paid for - which is a pretty gigantic conspiracy theory, given the scale of the climate protests.

How many school children in Ireland went on strike last Friday or any of the preceding Fridays? That's not a grass roots movement Septembers event was coordinated through a massive media and public relations campaign. You want an example of a grass roots movement look to the yellow vests in France, they have risen up against legislation that targeted them under the guise of climate change. You don't see them getting invited to the Davos club to have their photo taken. Gretas rise and her financial backers have already been exposed on this thread, the climate movement is a top down led organisation that has duped and exploited a socially naive girls condition for their own interests.

Tell me how wrote: »

This is ridiculous. If you default on a rent payment, the landlord will likely first give you a text maybe to see how things are, did you forget or whatever, if it continues, they'll call, then they'll come to the door, then they'll issue eviction notice (or similar steps.There has been decades of nicey nicey. It really is time to bang on the door. Your post does tell a truth. Many people are motivated purely on a personal level that they dislike the messenger. Probably the fact that she is young and female has a lot to do with it.

That comment certainly show a basement level of discussion for sure. Why is that they repeatedly call out any other opinion than yours as ridiculous? And with that comes the personal dig that if someone doesn't love greta they are a misogynist, are one of the mean kids or wtte. And unfortunately that's where we at.

blinding wrote: »

The Divine Greta may not be criticised . Has she Morphed in to Allah ? ?

Why? Do you think Allah should not be criticised?

On Greta. Criticism is fine. But it is there to be challenged and this thread in particular has shown the vast amount of criticism to be absent of any reasonable supporting logic.

blinding wrote: »

No one is above criticism; Not Allah , Not Greta.

Yes. And that criticism can be analysed and critiqued itself. See where I am going with this?

gozunda wrote: »

But hey anyone being in any way critical or not swallowing the use of alarmism is a 'hater' or a 'denier'? Sure thing...

Again. 9,700+ posts from which to draw conclusions.

gozunda wrote: »

Indeed and the greatest proportion of them yours

Glad to be here.

Sick of threads developing in to a nonsensical narrative because most people who use facts and logic simply couldn't be arsed.
It has been very interesting that when engaging with such views as exist here, it is proven that they are motivated solely on personal desires.

Tea drinker wrote: »

Are nitrates having a climate change effect or you mean the pollution?
cheers

I'd read between the lines there. Obviously not the farmers here flinging ****e around. The potshots are funny all the same

This was the post where it was later inferred such opinions were driven by 'personal desires' - oh and hating women and children no less. I'm fairly sure the poster been castigated is not a farmer by any means.

KyussB wrote: »

Well ya, consider that e.g. farmers have an inherent interest in being able to continue emitting enormous amounts of greenhouse gasses (ones not as obvious as CO2), to maximize their profitability - and it goes a long way to explaining parts of this thread.

Farmers have embraced science to increase yields, boost productivity and feed the world and even then without the profit incentive much of the worlds population starves and the survivors have to revert to subsistence farming. Farmers are not immune to costs of production and market demand.





Norman Borlaug, Plant Scientist Who Fought Famine, Dies at 95
Sept. 13, 2009

Dr. Borlaug’s advances in plant breeding led to spectacular success in increasing food production in Latin America and Asia and brought him international acclaim. In 1970, he was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize.

He was widely described as the father of the broad agricultural movement called the Green Revolution, though decidedly reluctant to accept the title. “A miserable term,” he said, characteristically shrugging off any air of self-importance.

Yet his work had a far-reaching impact on the lives of millions of people in developing countries. His breeding of high-yielding crop varieties helped to avert mass famines that were widely predicted in the 1960s, altering the course of history.
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By the late 1940s, researchers knew they could induce huge yield gains in wheat by feeding the plants chemical fertilizer that supplied them with extra nitrogen, a shortage of which was the biggest constraint on plant growth. But the strategy had a severe limitation: beyond a certain level of fertilizer, the seed heads containing wheat grains would grow so large and heavy, the plant would fall over, ruining the crop.

In 1953, Dr. Borlaug began working with a wheat strain containing an unusual gene. It had the effect of shrinking the wheat plant, creating a stubby, compact variety. Yet crucially, the seed heads did not shrink, meaning a small plant could still produce a large amount of wheat.

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Your Grandparents Spent More Of Their Money On Food Than You Do


Survey of family spending charts half century of consumer culture


Global cereal production heading for a record high in 2019


Our grandparents spent more of their income on food and clothing that we do in the present day, coincidentally CO2 improves yields and food producers profitability at lower cost to the consumer.