Greta Thunberg (Continued...)

Paddygreen

KyussB wrote: »

Well ya, consider that e.g. farmers have an inherent interest in being able to continue emitting enormous amounts of greenhouse gasses (ones not as obvious as CO2), to maximize their profitability - and it goes a long way to explaining parts of this thread.

Time to purge the kulaks.. I couldn't agree more.

KyussB

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Theres as much evidence on both sides that its being funded by interest groups. it would be a mistake to believe either side is benign

'Interest groups' aren't automatically nefarious.

There is ample documented evidence of the propaganda, deceit and corruption etc. from the fossil fuel interest groups - the particular ones cited most often in this thread, are perhaps the most corrupt network of think tanks on the entire planet - that's now nefarious they are.

On Greta's end of things, the mere act of political lobbying in itself, is made out as equivalent to the above. As if nobody in the world should use political lobbying to defend their interests from oligarchs - that to do so is somehow an equivalent evil...

Eric Cartman

KyussB wrote: »

'Interest groups' aren't automatically nefarious.

There is ample documented evidence of the propaganda, deceit and corruption etc. from the fossil fuel interest groups - the particular ones cited most often in this thread, are perhaps the most corrupt network of think tanks on the entire planet - that's now nefarious they are.

On Greta's end of things, the mere act of political lobbying in itself, is made out as equivalent to the above. As if nobody in the world should use political lobbying to defend themselves from oligarchs - that to do so is somehow an equivalent evil...

well greta isnt corrupt but her and her backers are 2 for 3 on that list.

you frame this as good vs evil when in reality its evil vs evil , its a battle between who wants my money, the green party or shell, and being honest right now Id rather shell have it.

KyussB

Pa ElGrande wrote: »

[noparse]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPn4928wKqQ

[/noparse]

Skip to 3 minutes 30 seconds in to see the reality of Gretas school strike.

Rebel News, founded by an oil industry lobbyist, with a history of racism and broadcasting false information...

Yet not a single person who is on the side of the debate, whose arguments benefit from this propaganda source, will give a toss - in fact will give more of a toss about arguing-against/dismissing the pointing out of obvious propaganda sources...

Tell me how

Pa ElGrande wrote: »

Skip to 3 minutes 30 seconds in to see the reality of Gretas school strike.

Well, that video from a conservative individual who has been sued for libel resulting in fines, apologies and retraction of statements on at least 5 times has me convinced.

KyussB

Paddygreen wrote: »

Time to purge the kulaks.. I couldn't agree more.

Please don't quote my posts or reply to me - I don't want to be replying to your own.

i see that our two most fervent acolytes still dont read any further than the byline of any of the sources that they demand.

some bucks!

Tell me how

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Groups that have interests in deploying socialist politics to countries and are using it as a vehicle

Evidence link please.

Eric Cartman wrote: »

manufacturers of wind turbines, solar panels and batteries,

Notwithstanding that given their business interests, of course they can be expected to be in favour or reduced use of fossil fuels, can you give evidence of them backing Greta?

Eric Cartman wrote: »

governments trying to keep the blame off asia.

Evidence link please.

Eric Cartman wrote: »

plastics manufacturers trying to keep the blame off asia.

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Evidence link please.

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Anti conservative thinktanks use it as a way to get in tax laws through the back doors that theyd traditionally just have the liberal parties do up front.

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Evidence link please.

Tell me how

gozunda wrote: »

Well thankfully you or I dont get to decide what can or cant be discussed on this or indeed any thread.

And to that most pertinent bit - facts Perhaps you would be good enough to explain to the rest of us - where the OP above - in any of his five posts in this thread details he is 'motivated solely by personal desires' or as you inferred is just another poster who obviously hate females and children? No? Then thats no more than the usual bashing of those who you do not agree with. But what does show is that such daft broadside insults are puerile and certainly not facts, logic or even discussion

The same OP who got banned from posting in the thread for posting something which led me to forming some of my opinions as to the motivations involved here is it?

gozunda

Tell me how wrote: »

Evidence link please.Notwithstanding that given their business interests, of course they can be expected to be in favour or reduced use of fossil fuels, can you give evidence of them backing Greta?
Evidence link please.
Evidence link please.
Evidence link please.

First - links to show proof of accusations thrown re. 'personal desires' and female and child hating in the previous post you castigated.

Strange that does not seem to be forthcoming - yet the broadsides at those who you do not agree with continue no?

And yet greta et al industry links pushing climate alarmism for their own purposes are evident. But yet little if any of that gets any recognition from ardent greta supporters. We are told there should be no criticism or discussion. Otherwise you are a 'hater' or a 'denier'

Strange those discrepancies...

Edit:

Tell me how wrote: »

The same OP who got banned from posting in the thread for posting something which led me to forming some of my opinions as to the motivations involved here is it?

Is the poster you replied to yesterday banned? I dont think so.

Again poster posted only yesterday and you inferred his posts amongst others demonstrated dislike / hated of females / children. Any proof of that no? Otherwise simply more broadside digs at those you dont agree with.

Tell me how

gozunda wrote: »

First - links to show proof of accusations thrown re. 'personal desires' and female and child hating in the previous post you castigated.

Strange that does not seem to be forthcoming - yet the broadsides at those who you do not agree with continue no?

And yet greta et al industry links pushing climste alarmism for their own purposes are evident. But yet little if any of that gets any recognition from ardent greta supporters. We are told there should be no criticism or discussion. Otherwise you are a 'hater' or a 'denier'

Strange those discrepancies...

As you are aware, it is not unusual for posts which are such that banning from a thread is warranted, are generally removed. Beyond that, posts which do not result in bans are often routinely removed.
Those points aside, I as everyone else who uses boards from opinions of other users from more than just a single thread. I have no problem in stating that some of the views displayed throughout this thread are unexpected and, I feel, in line with a particular mindset which leads to consistent and expected posts on other topics which are routinely discussed these days.

Am I going to go through this 6 month thread and others to collate evidence for you on this? No. You would ignore it anyway. I'm not here to change your mind on anything.

(Sorry, I didn't wait the necessary 10 minutes to allow you to edit the content of your post. I don't feel the need to respond to it for a second time)

you should probably stop making these accusations- framed as factual statements, often offered as rejoinders to substantiated statements against your position or the positions demonstrably taken by greta (who is not party to this thread, cannot be ad-hommed by this thread and as far as we know has not requested that you act as if each criticism of her in this thread is one you have justification to respond to as if you have been insulted)- then

_Kaiser_

Paddygreen wrote: »

I am gender fluid leaning towards non-binary. I am so ashamed I look like a white/pink western European man that I have spent a small fortune on subbed sessions and spray tans.

I'm going to take this as legit although to be honest, I have no idea at this stage.

Because you are ashamed by your gender and skin colour you feel it necessary to take actions to deny that truth. Because you inexplicably hate what you are, you have bought in completely to a campaign that depends entirely on fostering a sense of guilt and responsibility for things you have zero control over.

It's a lot clearer now, but I'd suggest you focus your efforts on coming to terms with your own feelings than being manipulated by a "cause" furthered by people with suspect agendas of their own.

If a young girl like Greta really feels fear every day because of this scaremongering, that to me is a far bigger and more real problem than any of the stuff being peddled in this "crusade"

Tell me how

[Deleted User] wrote: »

you should probably stop making these accusations- framed as factual statements, often offered as rejoinders to substantiated statements against your position or the positions demonstrably taken by greta (who is not party to this thread, cannot be ad-hommed by this thread and as far as we know has not requested that you act as if each criticism of her in this thread is one you have justification to respond to as if you have been insulted)- then

You've just spat out words there. I know you're trying to appear smart, but the sentence doesn't make any sense

gozunda

Tell me how wrote: »

As you are aware, it is not unusual for posts which are such that banning from a thread is warranted, are generally removed. Beyond that, posts which do not result in bans are often routinely removed.
Those points aside, I as everyone else who uses boards from opinions of other users from more than just a single thread. I have no problem in stating that some of the views displayed throughout this thread are unexpected and, I feel, in line with a particular mindset which leads to consistent and expected posts on other topics which are routinely discussed these days.
Am I going to go through this 6 month thread and others to collate evidence for you on this? No. You would ignore it anyway. I'm not here to change your mind on anything.

I am aware that the poster you inferred (incorrectly imo) - as being a female/ child hater has just 5 posts!. But no I've absolutely no idea what you are on about regarding rabbitting on about 'banning' or forming "opinions of other users". Throwing such ****e makes no sense whatsoever.

And I'm also aware - and please correct me If I'm wrong - the general advice to all of us is to play the ball and not kick the player. We can all engage with that. Otherwise theres no discussion.

Tell me how

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

I'm going to take this as legit although to be honest, I have no idea at this stage.

Because you are ashamed by your gender and skin colour you feel it necessary to take actions to deny that truth. Because you inexplicably hate what you are, you have bought in completely to a campaign that depends entirely on fostering a sense of guilt and responsibility for things you have zero control over.

It's a lot clearer now, but I'd suggest you focus your efforts on coming to terms with your own feelings than being manipulated by a "cause" furthered by people with suspect agendas of their own.

If a young girl like Greta really feels fear every day because of this scaremongering, that to me is a far bigger and more real problem than any of the stuff being peddled in this "crusade"

Bit in bold says it all really.

Tell me how

gozunda wrote: »

I am aware that the poster you inferred (incorrectly imo) - as being a female/ child hater has just 5 posts!. But no I've absolutely no idea what you are on about regarding forming "opinions of other users". Throwing such ****e makes no sense whatsoever.

And I'm also aware - and please correct me If I'm wrong - the general advice to all of us is to play the ball and not kick the player. We can all engage with that. Otherwise theres no discussion.

Gozunda, I know you don't like being challenged on your opinion/position posted here.

You frequently thank posts which refer to me or other posters in ways you agree with but the reverse of that leads you to calling foul.

I see this thread as reflective of society and mindsets which exist in the real world, in such cases it is common to refer to the MO of people with a particular mindset without, generally, it being seen as an insult.

Every other forum/thread is governed with a similar instruction and, as you know, on those, posters on all sides are referred to as to their personal behaviour on the thread.

This is a real world discussion. I am of the view that your view needs to be challenged as I see it as regressive. I'm not going to apologise for this or stop it just because you don't like it.

Ten of Swords

Mod

Tell me how and snoopsheep, give the digs at each other a rest and let's get back on topic please.

Pa ElGrande

KyussB wrote: »

Rebel News, founded by an oil industry lobbyist, with a history of racism and broadcasting false information...

Yet not a single person who is on the side of the debate, whose arguments benefit from this propaganda source, will give a toss - in fact will give more of a toss about arguing-against/dismissing the pointing out of obvious propaganda sources...

Greta is a girl, said to have a known personality problem and evidently much of what is said in her name is written by her father and a second individual within the environmental gig. She is being used as a political tool and that shows how sick the left, the green movement has become.

This propaganda is rammed down our childrens throats at school evidently along with the fear of God over their futures. They are now the unwitting footsoldiers of the green movement. Greta is a girl used as an emotional tool. She is an emotional wreck as seen in her face of fury not understanding she only knows propaganda and little about the scientific method she calls upon which does not support her claims of impending doom.

It is time to call this out before we end up with a totalitarian dictatorship as is being directly called for by members of the green movement.

blinding

Pa ElGrande wrote: »

Greta is a girl, said to have a known personality problem and evidently much of what is said in her name is written by her father and a second individual within the environmental gig. She is being used as a political tool and that shows how sick the left, the green movement has become.

This propaganda is rammed down our childrens throats at school evidently along with the fear of God over their futures. They are now the unwitting footsoldiers of the green movement. Greta is a girl used as an emotional tool. She is an emotional wreck as seen in her face of fury not understanding she only knows propaganda and little about the scientific method she calls upon which does not support her claims of impending doom.

It is time to call this out before we end up with a totalitarian dictatorship as is being directly called for by members of the green movement.

They are Fascists and Communists rolled into one. The only way to deal with them is to take the pee out of them.

Paddygreen

Pa ElGrande wrote: »

Greta is a girl, said to have a known personality problem and evidently much of what is said in her name is written by her father and a second individual within the environmental gig. She is being used as a political tool and that shows how sick the left, the green movement has become.

This propaganda is rammed down our childrens throats at school evidently along with the fear of God over their futures. They are now the unwitting footsoldiers of the green movement. Greta is a girl used as an emotional tool. She is an emotional wreck as seen in her face of fury not understanding she only knows propaganda and little about the scientific method she calls upon which does not support her claims of impending doom.

It is time to call this out before we end up with a totalitarian dictatorship as is being directly called for by members of the green movement.

Sorry but the Climate Emergency and the greater good is more important than your individual rights. Greta is helping to get that message across to her peers via social media and clued in teachers who have the power to encourage their students to do the right thing by telling them the truth about Climate Chaos. Let's face it, what student doesn't want a day on the doss anyway, the fact that they are demanding Climate Action and Climate Justice means their time is not wasted being typical teenagers like generations before them. That's what the fear and terror of knowing the truth of how close we are to the tipping point of no return can do, it spurs the youth on to demand that governments take Climate Action Now by radically reengineering society into accepting that sacrifices will need to be made to Save the Planet.

gozunda

Tell me how wrote: »

Gozunda, I know you don't like being challenged on your opinion/position posted here.
You frequently thank posts which refer to me or other posters in ways you agree with but the reverse of that leads you to calling foul.I see this thread as reflective of society and mindsets which exist in the real world, in such cases it is common to refer to the MO of people with a particular mindset without, generally, it being seen as an insult.Every other forum/thread is governed with a similar instruction and, as you know, on those, posters on all sides are referred to as to their personal behaviour on the thread. This is a real world discussion. I am of the view that your view needs to be challenged as I see it as regressive. I'm not going to apologise for this or stop it just because you don't like it.

Lol. I'm sure you do. Challenge away! But you've got the wrong poster I'm afraid. I think this might what you referring to post from which you later inferred that posters opinions were driven by 'personal desires' - oh and disliking women and children no less. Following that there was a request simply to link to the relevant comments on that. I dont think you did? Anyway no matter - afaik this is a thread about greta not other posters imaginary MO's or 'mindsets' or whatever. So I'll leave you at it.

In the news today it would appear that 'gretas generation'(?) is now being used to flog eco-friendly toys

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-51221865

You can also buy lots of different greta themed tee shirts. I do hope they are all 'eco-friendly' as well? :rolleyes:

https://www.google.ie/search?q=greta+tee+shirt&prmd=isnv&sxsrf=ACYBGNTJ05LQJvdUg9NmO_6LE1Ws1XMkNg:1580114829414&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwil7_G4sqPnAhXsQRUIHVFVBN8Q_AUoAXoECBAQAQ&biw=360&bih=572

Paddygreen

We are coming to your door soon guys to make you even more aware of the Climate Emergency and the need for Climate Action and Climate Justice. Members of XR are canvassing in order to appeal to people's consciences, a gentle nudge to vote for those who take Climate Chaos seriously. We are strictly non partisan and the fact that we will be only canvassing in constituencies with Green party candidates is pure coincidence. That said I would urge all right thinking people to vote Green if they would like to save themselves from a horrific and painful death on a burning planet. The tipping point is so close guys, we have to act now to ensure green minded people get their collective voice heard. We need to get our hands on power guys if we are going to change behaviours to save the planet.

https://www.thejournal.ie/extinction-rebellion-canvass-general-election-4980697-Jan2020/

Mr E

Mod: The last Greta thread was over 10k posts (including deleted posts) so I've set up a new thread. The last few pages of posts from the previous thread have been moved here for continuity)

RandomViewer

I think we have reached a Brexit level of boredom with Greta Thunberg, people are just tuning out at this stage.

KyussB

Pa ElGrande wrote: »

KyussB wrote: »

Rebel News, founded by an oil industry lobbyist, with a history of racism and broadcasting false information...

Yet not a single person who is on the side of the debate, whose arguments benefit from this propaganda source, will give a toss - in fact will give more of a toss about arguing-against/dismissing the pointing out of obvious propaganda sources...

Greta is a girl, said to have a known personality problem and evidently much of what is said in her name is written by her father and a second individual within the environmental gig. She is being used as a political tool and that shows how sick the left, the green movement has become.

This propaganda is rammed down our childrens throats at school evidently along with the fear of God over their futures. They are now the unwitting footsoldiers of the green movement. Greta is a girl used as an emotional tool. She is an emotional wreck as seen in her face of fury not understanding she only knows propaganda and little about the scientific method she calls upon which does not support her claims of impending doom.

It is time to call this out before we end up with a totalitarian dictatorship as is being directly called for by members of the green movement.

Notice what this post is in reply to: When it's pointed out that a poster coming from one side of the debate, has used an extremely obvious propaganda source to back their views - do they acknowledge it or disassociate from that source?

No. They double down on it insted, and try to justify it with wild conspiracy theories accusing the 'other side' of using propaganda sources - which is an implicit admission that they know the source they used was propaganda.

Not only that, but they are widely thanked by nearly all of the regular posters coming from the same 'side' of the debate - showing that they all are fairly happy with using easily proven propaganda sources, as a base for their arguments.

To further drive the point home, the final link the poster uses, is from Spiked Online - one of the more notorious propaganda outlets, funded by the Koch oil oligarchs - who have a fair shot at being the most notorious propagandists on the planet.

sabat

Paddygreen wrote: »

We are coming to your door soon guys to make you even more aware of the Climate Emergency and the need for Climate Action and Climate Justice. Members of XR are canvassing in order to appeal to people's consciences, a gentle nudge to vote for those who take Climate Chaos seriously. We are strictly non partisan and the fact that we will be only canvassing in constituencies with Green party candidates is pure coincidence. That said I would urge all right thinking people to vote Green if they would like to save themselves from a horrific and painful death on a burning planet. The tipping point is so close guys, we have to act now to ensure green minded people get their collective voice heard. We need to get our hands on power guys if we are going to change behaviours to save the planet.

https://www.thejournal.ie/extinction-rebellion-canvass-general-election-4980697-Jan2020/

They even look like a pair of Jesus freaks going door to door.

Winning_Stroke

The “climate canvassers” went door-to-door, highlighting to the public “the urgency of the climate crisis and the need to make climate action a key election issue”, a statement said.

I'd love to hear these loons spiels.

"You've got Original Sin a carbon footprint, which offends God Mother Earth and hinders you as a person. When the Rapture civilizational collapse in twelve years, happens what will you think looking back on your life of evil? Luckily for you, there is a path to redemption. Confession carbon offsetting is quick and easy way to clear your history and make you a better person. Also we are all commanded to spread the goodword, so make sure to tell your neighbours and friends and bask in the loving glow of superiority that only adherence to the teachings of Greta can bring.

Tell me how

Pa ElGrande wrote: »

Greta is a girl, said to have a known personality problem and evidently much of what is said in her name is written by her father and a second individual within the environmental gig. She is being used as a political tool and that shows how sick the left, the green movement has become.

This propaganda is rammed down our childrens throats at school evidently along with the fear of God over their futures. They are now the unwitting footsoldiers of the green movement. Greta is a girl used as an emotional tool. She is an emotional wreck as seen in her face of fury not understanding she only knows propaganda and little about the scientific method she calls upon which does not support her claims of impending doom.

It is time to call this out before we end up with a totalitarian dictatorship as is being directly called for by members of the green movement.

What is her known personality problem?

Do you think there is an issue with the climate which needs to be actioned? Why do you think Greta (and the scientists who contributed to the IPCC) are warning that it is imperative that action is taken?

What are you afraid of?

gozunda

KyussB wrote: »

Notice what this post is in reply to: When it's pointed out that a poster coming from one side of the debate, has used an extremely obvious propaganda source to back their views - do they acknowledge it or disassociate from that source? No. They double down on it insted, and try to justify it with wild conspiracy theories accusing the 'other side' of using propaganda sources - which is an implicit admission that they know the source they used was propaganda.Not only that, but they are widely thanked by nearly all of the regular posters coming from the same 'side' of the debate - showing that they all are fairly happy with using easily proven propaganda sources, as a base for their arguments.To further drive the point home, the final link the poster uses, is from Spiked Online - one of the more notorious propaganda outlets, funded by the Koch oil oligarchs - who have a fair shot at being the most notorious propagandists on the planet.

For the love of dodge - would you give over the same repetitive wrangling type comments. You've said previously you dont like this posters sources. You've also said previously you dont like people thanking the poster for explaining his thoughts etc. But at least the poster provides sources and explains his reasoning. And where someone / anyone does so - they frequently get a thumbs up for that no matter what the argument. And that's fair enough. You may not like it but that's irrelevant.

Tbh most of your comment boils down to a poor argument based on - "attacking the character, motive, or other attribute of the person making the argument, or persons associated with the argument, rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself" ie ad hominem.

KyussB

Precisely as I said in a previous post:

KyussB wrote: »

Rebel News, founded by an oil industry lobbyist, with a history of racism and broadcasting false information...

Yet not a single person who is on the side of the debate, whose arguments benefit from this propaganda source, will give a toss - in fact will give more of a toss about arguing-against/dismissing the pointing out of obvious propaganda sources...

Paddygreen

sabat wrote: »

They even look like a pair of Jesus freaks going door to door.

I am an atheist. I believe in scientific consensus and experts with PhDs. I cried and had a panic attack when I saw Mary Robinson standing beside the doomsday clock. You Koch lovers are smothering mother earth.

suicide_circus

perhaps if the movement was more honest about its goals....its clearly not just about climate change. its about a complete and fundimental change to the world economy, society and ultimately toppling capitalism. because these are the kind of changes needed to stop or reverse man made climate change as they see it.

Paddygreen

Paddygreen wrote: »

I am an atheist. I believe in scientific consensus and experts with PhDs. I cried and had a panic attack when I saw Mary Robinson standing beside the doomsday clock. You Koch lovers are smothering mother earth.

You should get help. Mary Robinson is old and frail, not to be scared of.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

Don’t know how that child functions with that level of anxiety in her life Jesus

Winning_Stroke

Paddygreen wrote: »

I am an atheist. I believe in scientific consensus and experts with PhDs. I cried and had a panic attack when I saw Mary Robinson standing beside the doomsday clock. You Koch lovers are smothering mother earth.

Look this is serious. It reminds of that bit from Harry Potter and the Enchanted Wrong-Knob. You know, where Hermione discovered in her homework for Prof. Shictzkok's Fringering class, that the magical ether is slowly disappating from Britain and within two generations no wizard will even be able to wrabble to BentBlo alley let alone conjure a fractious frampton. And yet she's laughed out of the Ministry of Magic who are secretly controlled Voldemort and his army of deniers.

We need to be like Dumbledore's Army #RESIST

Paddygreen

Paddygreen wrote: »

We are coming to your door soon guys to make you even more aware of the Climate Emergency and the need for Climate Action and Climate Justice. Members of XR are canvassing in order to appeal to people's consciences, a gentle nudge to vote for those who take Climate Chaos seriously. We are strictly non partisan and the fact that we will be only canvassing in constituencies with Green party candidates is pure coincidence. That said I would urge all right thinking people to vote Green if they would like to save themselves from a horrific and painful death on a burning planet. The tipping point is so close guys, we have to act now to ensure green minded people get their collective voice heard. We need to get our hands on power guys if we are going to change behaviours to save the planet.

https://www.thejournal.ie/extinction-rebellion-canvass-general-election-4980697-Jan2020/

Calling people "guys" is very creepy. I would pedantically observe the initials for the group is ER, not XR

Tell me how

Jaylee Jealous Rugby wrote: »

Don’t know how that child functions with that level of anxiety in her life Jesus

What level of anxiety?

Paddygreen

Deleted User wrote: »

Calling people "guys" is very creepy. I would pedantically observe the initials for the group is ER, not XR

It is XR. My niece recently joined the XR Youth.

Mr E

Mod: Paddygreen - stop posting shite (and everyone else, stop replying).

Pa ElGrande

Pa ElGrande wrote: »

It costs a lot of money to hang around Davos this time of year and her minder Luisa Neubauer (23) showed up again by the climate worriers side.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25ZEXsPvWLc

Greta knows only what she is told and says only what is written for her and her father and an Indian activist from the UN write her responses. She is a credible actress with passion. The incident where she sat in first class on the train home but they took a photo of her on the floor to create this image of suffering. Except the train company called it out. This is stage managed and advised by a lot of people, I believe the term for this behaviour is astroturfing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTXdhTwO320

The cheek of Rebel News calling themselves news

AlekSmart

Jaylee Jealous Rugby wrote: »

Don’t know how that child functions with that level of anxiety in her life Jesus

Whether or not one concurs with Ms Thunberg's views,it is very clear that this young woman is under significant mental stress.

However,whilst this may well be disregarded in an adult who has taken the decision to self-stress,the manner in which the younger Greta Thunberg has been set on this path should surely cause unease.

Those video clips (irrespective of who filmed them) are not easy viewing,particularly to those with any experience of parenting adolescents.

I am more and more coming to the view that her Parents,and the,now expanding,group of assistants,facilitators and whatever have become blinded by the "success" of their project,and as a result cannot see Greta Thunberg as a person in her own right.

This,of itself,disturbs me a whole lot more than Climate Change,or any of the other sidebar issues she is being increasingly given to espouse.

Above all else it is sad to see...:(

Tell me how

AlekSmart wrote: »

Whether or not one concurs with Ms Thunberg's views,it is very clear that this young woman is under significant mental stress.

However,whilst this may well be disregarded in an adult who has taken the decision to self-stress,the manner in which the younger Greta Thunberg has been set on this path should surely cause unease.

Those video clips (irrespective of who filmed them) are not easy viewing,particularly to those with any experience of parenting adolescents.

I am more and more coming to the view that her Parents,and the,now expanding,group of assistants,facilitators and whatever have become blinded by the "success" of their project,and as a result cannot see Greta Thunberg as a person in her own right.

This,of itself,disturbs me a whole lot more than Climate Change,or any of the other sidebar issues she is being increasingly given to espouse.

Above all else it is sad to see...:(

That is nonsense.

How many clips of here has there been where she has been in any way distressed versus ones where she has been happy and smiling. Have you seen her tweets? Most of them are positive in nature and most pictures she posts of herself has her looking very happy and relaxed.

She responded in a humorous fashion to Trump trying to undermine her by changing her Twitter bio a couple of times which shows someone who has a mischievous side.

The faux (in my view) concern is only interesting in the sense that it shows how much some will strive to find a way to talk about her being silenced.

jackboy

Tell me how wrote: »

Have you seen her tweets? Most of them are positive in nature and most pictures she posts of herself has her looking very happy and relaxed.

She responded in a humorous fashion to Trump trying to undermine her by changing her Twitter bio a couple of times which shows someone who has a mischievous side. .

In fairness we know for sure now that Greta does not write her social media posts. The photos are clearly posed and contrived.

jackboy

jackboy wrote: »

In fairness we know for sure now that Greta does not write her social media posts. The photos are clearly posed and contrived.

My social media posts are posed and contrived too

Fr_Dougal

AlekSmart wrote: »

Whether or not one concurs with Ms Thunberg's views,it is very clear that this young woman is under significant mental stress.

However,whilst this may well be disregarded in an adult who has taken the decision to self-stress,the manner in which the younger Greta Thunberg has been set on this path should surely cause unease.

Those video clips (irrespective of who filmed them) are not easy viewing,particularly to those with any experience of parenting adolescents.

I am more and more coming to the view that her Parents,and the,now expanding,group of assistants,facilitators and whatever have become blinded by the "success" of their project,and as a result cannot see Greta Thunberg as a person in her own right.

This,of itself,disturbs me a whole lot more than Climate Change,or any of the other sidebar issues she is being increasingly given to espouse.

Above all else it is sad to see...:(

Completely agree. Not only is she under immense stress, but I can guarantee you that her young followers will find themselves in the same situation in the coming months/years. All these school strikers, between exams and unnecessarily worrying about the climate will need counselling in the near future.

Greta has stolen THEIR childhoods.

AlekSmart

Tell me how wrote: »

That is nonsense.

How many clips of here has there been where she has been in any way distressed versus ones where she has been happy and smiling. Have you seen her tweets? Most of them are positive in nature and most pictures she posts of herself has her looking very happy and relaxed.

She responded in a humorous fashion to Trump trying to undermine her by changing her Twitter bio a couple of times which shows someone who has a mischievous side.

The faux (in my view) concern is only interesting in the sense that it shows how much some will strive to find a way to talk about her being silenced.

You may consider it nonsense,but be VERY certain my concerns in this regard are far from "Faux" as you so dismissively put it.

mandrake04

Tell me how wrote: »

Your post does tell a truth. Many people are motivated purely on a personal level that they dislike the messenger. Probably the fact that she is young and female has a lot to do with it.

Maybe some small percentage but some might also dislike her because she has an angry cold demeanour. But just maybe this is not for the reason you think.

She is 17 but looks like a 12 year old, intellectually challenged and her facial features like smooth philtrum, palpebral fissures, thin vermilion border etc could be as reported attributed to fetal alcohol syndrome....maybe she has reasons to be angry that have nothing to do with the climate but closer to home. The climate crusade serves as a distraction and some people who might even accept there is climate change do not want to be lectured by such a person.

I’m not saying this is the case but people’s point of view have to be taken into consideration.

Lyan

So, aside from power hungry elites and braindead teenagers do regular people actually take this kid seriously? It would be sad to see emotion triumph over reason on such an important issue.

Lyan

Lyan wrote: »

So, aside from power hungry elites and braindead teenagers do regular people actually take this kid seriously? It would be sad to see emotion triumph over reason on such an important issue.

I'm not really a fan of her but her message is 100% correct