Jordan Peterson interview on C4

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Peterson and his daughter say it's a 'cure'. I don't say its a cure. I say its total guff.

Where do you stand on it?

I'd say you are probably misquoting him or removing context and im sure he would have pointed out caveats that your brain wanted to not process to make his position seem more extreme.

Where do I stand? I think an elimination diet, which this is might help some people with some inflammatory complaints , mood, or other chronic issues but its not necessary for most people, simply going on a don’t eat cr@p diet would help in as much diet can be a factor. The opposite is certainly true as in people who have poor diets invite a lot of medical issues on themselves.

do you think diet plays no factor in depression?


https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/318428.php

One factor that may contribute to depression is a person's dietary habits, which will determine the nutrients that they consume.
A 2017 study found that the symptoms of people with moderate-to-severe depression improved when they received nutritional counseling sessions and ate a more healthful diet for 12 weeks.
The improved diet focused on fresh and whole foods that are high in nutrients. It also limited processed refined foods, sweets, and fried food, including junk food.
Depressive symptoms, including mood and anxiety, improved enough to achieve remission criteria in more than 32% of the participants.
The researchers concluded that people could help manage or improve their symptoms of depression by addressing their diet.

bnt wrote: »

Not sure what you mean by that. He's never been an advocate of "tough it out" or "go it alone" for genuine mental health issues, and has stated that he has prescribed SSRIs etc. when he thought it was the best course for the patient.

I didn't realise he could do that, I thought he was a psychology academic.

Either way, saw that this comes after his wife got a cancer diagnosis, so it's not like he hasn't had anything to push him off the edge. It'd be pretty poor form to sit back and judge, despite what you make of his political views.

1800_Ladladlad wrote: »

People like this are alarming

https://twitter.com/RubinReport/status/1214947909713555456

Funny guy!

HarryLane wrote: »

It's truly bizarre that some people could be so fixated on one person saying they tried a diet and it worked for them.

I think I know why that is though. For some people, their priority is not truth, reason and logic. It's feeling morally superior and not feeling morally on the bad side. This is how they see the world.

They build a worldview in their mind about who the good people are and who the bad people are. They want to be one of the good people. So it infuriates and threatens them when one of the "bad people" makes valid points and contradicts their own world view in a reasoned manner. They begin to feel like one of the "bad people".

So in response they desperately search for something to criticise them(Jordan Peterson) about and frame them (Jordan Peterson) as a "bad person". Notice how they day things like, "isn't that low", they desperately want such people to be viewed as bad people so they can feel like a good person. Their whole identity feels threatened by people like Jorday Peterson, it threatens their simplistic and tribalisitic worldview.

Ah yeah and that's all very neat and tidy if it were the case. But the diet is genuinely a clear example of someone selling a made up cure for wherever sold you. The daughter actually described it as a cure for a list of things so broad it could mean anything and then said or if you think you could feel better. So everyone would benefit from the diet she sells (but is careful not to recommend for legal reasons).

Ive no problems at all with what some guy in Canada eats. I saw an article on the internet about a lass in the UK who eats a pack of talcum powder every day. I don't care about her doing that. But if she was promoting it as a miracle cure for everything and anything and was promoting her daughter's business selling counselling in the benefis of eating talcum powder, then I would also be opposed to that kind of conjob. But I wouldn't see posters lining up to say they believe her and defend that woman as they're line up to defend Peterson and pretend his all beef diet might actually be a miracle cure for him and his daughter (but not for anyone else).

Its all a bit of a stretch.

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Ah no. He said its a miracle cure of sorts and his daughter goes further to say its a cure for pretty much everything.

I think the motivation is important but the effect is also important. The effect of selling a nonsense miracle cure for his daughter's profit, is bad behaviour. Considering mental health is a pretty important issue for lots of people it makes it pretty bad behaviour.

He's trading on his reputation which is so strong that lots of posters cant even bring themselves to question what he's saying and instead just assume whatever he says, no matter how far fetched, he says in earnest.

it's complicated to some degree.

Personally, the Keto diet changed my health hands down. My own doctor cannot explain how my health has improved so fast although unofficially sees the benefits . Blood pressure, resting heart rate, etc all down. Lost 15KG in 3 months. My energy levels are great, black under eyes have gone etc etc.

So I am def a promoter of it, however, I accept there is a difference between a joe soap like myself and that of a public character JP.

The other angle is, Keto-type diets aren't on the same level of anti-vax say. There is a great book out there by David Perlmutter. He is a neurologist and having followed his advice, again - Mental health improved further.

All of this is antidotal I get it, but my gut (excuse the pun) tells me this legit.

" Obviously he's not going to mess with his own health by only eating beef, " lol thats exactly what hes been doing for years. look it up

wildlifeboy wrote: »

" Obviously he's not going to mess with his own health by only eating beef, " lol thats exactly what hes been doing for years. look it up

That's exactly what he has been claiming, but we know it isn't true.

You can't get addicted to benzos while on a no-benzo diet.

Bambi wrote: »

Medication is nutrition now?

I think we're seeing the development of Peterson derangement syndrome

No it isn't. But if you claim your miracle diet cures your mental illness, and you take medication instead of messing about when it comes to your own mental health, then you're being dishonest. That should be obvious.

The lengths his fans are going to to avoid acknowledging the diet is nonsense, is genuinely fascinating.

Jimmy Bottlehead wrote: »

^^ This.

"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat."

And is this how you see Peterson as he sells the beef diet? “ the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly”

It’s a lovely, fawning tribute to Peterson. But how can you look at a man selling a product that even he doesn’t use, and pay him this tribute?

Bambi wrote: »

Lets just break it down here to avoid Cathy Newman like jumping from point to point:

Where is he selling this diet?

When and where did he claim that this diet cured his depression

Was he taking anti-depressents at that time?

Direct quotes now, if you dont mind.

Where is he selling this diet? In interviews on the Internet.

When and where did he claim that this diet cured his depression. In interviews on the Internet.

Was he taking anti-depressents at that time? I've no idea. We know he was taking anti anxiety mess to the point of becoming addicted. I don't even believe he are an all beef diet. I just know he said he are an all beef diet.

Direct quotes now, if you don't mind. I'm not wasting time looking for quotes for you to dismiss.

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Except if the spurious claims are made by the man himself. Then it's only the people who criticise the spurious claims that should be challenged. Right, Guava Juice?

What is the worst thing he is advising young men? I have a teenage son and on the face of it I’d prefer he was listening to Peterson than his critics. He isnt the be all and end all , but if something sticks then good , no?