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Ireland Team Talk XI: Team of nervoUS MOD warning Post 1

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    #4262
    Clegg
    Registered Users Posts: 16,780 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    lawrencesummers wrote: »
    There are element of his play that are lacking, there are some things that stander just doesn’t to but what he does he does well and consistently so, anybody would do well to point out a bad game that he had. Him and Conway were probably the only players that came back from japan who could have been anyway happy with how their tournament went personally.
    So only the two Munster players. Right.

    In terms of reputations being enhanced nobody came away with more Larmour. Ringrose too until the New Zealand game where everyone was ****.


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    #4263
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users Posts: 8,501 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    Podge_irl wrote: »
    Stander was, unfortunately, one of many Irish players who performed consistently at least.

    Many??. Yea right.


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    #4264
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users Posts: 8,501 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    Clegg wrote: »
    So only the two Munster players. Right.

    In terms of reputations being enhanced nobody came away with more Larmour. Ringrose too until the New Zealand game where everyone was ****.


    Yea fair point add larmour to that list. But as you said everyone was ****e against NZ.

    It’s a pity that the blue tinted glass are so well glued onto people’s faces on this forum, it means that a decent respectful and balanced discussion will never happen.


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    #4265
    Interested Observer
    Registered Users Posts: 13,021 ✭✭✭✭Interested Observer


    There really is nothing more ridiculous than whinging about bias on a rugby forum. If you think you're unbiased about anything in your life - the stuff you buy in the supermarket/the company you keep/what rugby player is better than another then you're absolutely deluded.


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    #4266
    salmocab
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    Interested Observer wrote: »
    There really is nothing more ridiculous than whinging about bias on a rugby forum. If you think you're unbiased about anything in your life - the stuff you buy in the supermarket/the company you keep/what rugby player is better than another then you're absolutely deluded.

    It’s only blue tint though no one else does it don’t you know.


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    #4267
    [Deleted User]
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    lawrencesummers wrote: »
    Stander was the only Irish player in Japan that performed consistently. YouR hatred of Munster is just sad.

    :D:D:D

    I don't think a Welsh fan has it in for Munster


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    #4268
    Bogwoppit
    Registered Users Posts: 2,592 ✭✭✭Bogwoppit


    penybont exile wrote: »
    13 if i remember correctly .... @Twickenham ..... Gatland gradually diluted that team during what was a successful campaign ....

    It was 14 and they beat England in twickenham.


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    #4269
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users Posts: 8,501 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    Interested Observer wrote: »
    There really is nothing more ridiculous than whinging about bias on a rugby forum. If you think you're unbiased about anything in your life - the stuff you buy in the supermarket/the company you keep/what rugby player is better than another then you're absolutely deluded.

    There are levels of bias, I prefer coke over pepsi kinda thing Is one level but when you cant see anything wrong with one set of players because of the team they play for and equally can’t see anything positive about another because of the team they play for while discussing selections in a national context it’s a sign of simple stupidity.


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    #4270
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users Posts: 8,501 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    Deleted User wrote: »
    :D:D:D

    I don't think a Welsh fan has it in for Munster

    Your not Ben whitehouse so.


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    #4271
    AbusesToilets
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    lawrencesummers wrote: »
    Many??. Yea right.

    Consistently poorly. Stander is basically competent. Physically strong, makes his tackles (a rarity for a Munster 6) and that's about it. His carries are predominantly taking static ball into the nearest defender. He is a poor passer of the ball, and doesn't have great vision in attack. He's a slightly more athletic POC basically.


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    #4272
    Dubinusa
    Registered Users Posts: 8,218 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    There's bias for all supporters. I'm biased to Leinster/Ulster. I'm biased to my favorite players, Ruddock. Henderson, Dillane etc.
    It's hard to look at the overall picture without bias!
    But, looking at Munstet , it's not hard to see that they're underperforming and the core is quite poor. There's no bias in that! Just truth.


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    #4273
    Dave_The_Sheep
    Registered Users Posts: 7,337 ✭✭✭Dave_The_Sheep


    lawrencesummers wrote: »
    There are levels of bias, I prefer coke over pepsi kinda thing Is one level but when you cant see anything wrong with one set of players because of the team they play for and equally can’t see anything positive about another because of the team they play for while discussing selections in a national context it’s a sign of simple stupidity.

    The lack of self-awareness in this post is breathtaking.


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    #4274
    The Rape of Lucretia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭The Rape of Lucretia


    lawrencesummers wrote: »
    There are levels of bias, I prefer coke over pepsi kinda thing Is one level but when you cant see anything wrong with one set of players because of the team they play for and equally can’t see anything positive about another because of the team they play for while discussing selections in a national context it’s a sign of simple stupidity.

    Surely there is no bias going on. Quite a few Leinster supporters seem fully in favour of Munster or Ulster players like Conway or Cooney starting against Scotland.


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    #4275
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users Posts: 8,501 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    AbusesToilets wrote: »
    Consistently poorly. Stander is basically competent. Physically strong, makes his tackles (a rarity for a Munster 6) and that's about it. His carries are predominantly taking static ball into the nearest defender. He is a poor passer of the ball, and doesn't have great vision in attack. He's a slightly more athletic POC basically.

    Some lads are just needed to do the grunt work, CK’s Passing and vision are not his Strengths alright, but he is aware enough to know that And doesn’t try to force either, yet he is still the best option Ireland have for 8, Has the best stats for Carries and yards made and he will play there in the 6 nations.


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    #4276
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users Posts: 8,501 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »
    Surely there is no bias going on. Quite a few Leinster supporters seem fully in favour of Munster or Ulster players like Conway or Cooney starting against Scotland.

    You should try reading a few pages.


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    #4277
    prawnsambo
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    Whoosh. I often berate you for a lack of subtlety TRoL, but that one was wasted it seems.


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    #4278
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users Posts: 8,501 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    Dubinusa wrote: »
    There's bias for all supporters. I'm biased to Leinster/Ulster. I'm biased to my favorite players, Ruddock. Henderson, Dillane etc.
    It's hard to look at the overall picture without bias!
    But, looking at Munstet , it's not hard to see that they're underperforming and the core is quite poor. There's no bias in that! Just truth.

    What has that to do with anything? So Munster are playing off the level that they aspire to??? We are talking about the inability of people to look at all player impartially, not the performance of one team. Get with the program there kid.


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    #4279
    Interested Observer
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    lawrencesummers wrote: »
    Some lads are just needed to do the grunt work, CK’s Passing and vision are not his Strengths alright, but he is aware enough to know that And doesn’t try to force either, yet he is still the best option Ireland have for 8, Has the best stats for Carries and yards made and he will play there in the 6 nations.

    Is that so? What stats are these.


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    #4280
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users Posts: 8,501 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    Interested Observer wrote: »
    Is that so? What stats are these.

    Most carries and yards made.(there was a big clue in the scentence)


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    #4281
    prawnsambo
    Registered Users Posts: 13,260 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    lawrencesummers wrote: »
    Most carries and yards made.(there was a big clue in the scentence)
    No there wasn't. No stats or comparisons were made or linked. So no stats backing your assertion up. As usual.


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    #4282
    theVersatile
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    CJ played extremely well today - Murray was MOTM...
    That's all I'll say


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    #4283
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users Posts: 8,501 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    prawnsambo wrote: »
    No there wasn't. No stats or comparisons were made or linked. So no stats backing your assertion up. As usual.

    If you think I’m gonna waste my time posting a link to prove something that everyone (whose head isn’t in the blue sand box) who watches rugby knows you will be waiting.

    Stander is head and shoulders above anyone else to start at 8 in the 6 nations.


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    #4284
    The Rape of Lucretia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭The Rape of Lucretia


    theVersatile wrote: »
    CJ played extremely well today - Murray was MOTM...
    That's all I'll say


    FWIW, I would start CJ. At 6. With Deegs at 8.
    And a form Murray on the bench would be comforting.


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    #4285
    Interested Observer
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    lawrencesummers wrote: »
    Most carries and yards made.(there was a big clue in the scentence)

    Jesus ****ing christ.

    Post the stats.


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    #4286
    theVersatile
    Registered Users Posts: 1,963 ✭✭✭theVersatile


    Interested Observer wrote: »
    Jesus ****ing christ.

    Post the stats.

    You don't need maths to prove that CJ is a highly effective carrier - trying to hide behind "but you can't use STATS to back your point" is complete bull, especially when we're trying to access the carrying ability of CJ bloody Stander.


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    #4287
    prawnsambo
    Registered Users Posts: 13,260 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    lawrencesummers wrote: »
    If you think I’m gonna waste my time posting a link to prove something that everyone (whose head isn’t in the blue sand box) who watches rugby knows you will be waiting.

    Stander is head and shoulders above anyone else to start at 8 in the 6 nations.
    Well if you won't back it up, the obvious conclusion is that you're making it up. And that's pretty obvious also because if you had researched it properly, you'd have the stats to hand.

    So you're making it up.


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    #4288
    The Rape of Lucretia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭The Rape of Lucretia


    Stats are like POM's unseen work.
    They cant be seen, so they can be claimed to exist, because it cant be disclaimed that they exist.


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    #4289
    Buer
    Registered Users Posts: 24,189 ✭✭✭✭Buer


    theVersatile wrote: »
    You do realise how difficult/costly stats are to obtain? You don't need maths to prove that CJ is a highly effective carrier - trying to hide behind "but you can't use STATS to back your point" is complete bull, especially when we're trying to access the carrying ability of CJ bloody Stander.

    Statistics for carries and metres made are readily available on ESPN and the Pro14 site.

    Stander carried 22 times for 43 metres today, for example. In his last Pro14 game (Connacht), he carried 17 times for 18 metres.


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    #4290
    prawnsambo
    Registered Users Posts: 13,260 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    theVersatile wrote: »
    You do realise how difficult/costly stats are to obtain? You don't need maths to prove that CJ is a highly effective carrier - trying to hide behind "but you can't use STATS to back your point" is complete bull, especially when we're trying to access the carrying ability of CJ bloody Stander.
    Ever heard of ESPN scrum.com? Or the stats that are on all the various competition websites? Like the Pro 14 or the EPRC websites?


    FREE.


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    #4291
    theVersatile
    Registered Users Posts: 1,963 ✭✭✭theVersatile


    prawnsambo wrote: »
    Ever heard of ESPN scrum.com? Or the stats that are on all the various competition websites? Like the Pro 14 or the EPRC websites?


    FREE.

    So you could easily look up CJ Standers carry stats yet continue to turn a blind eye and disagree with opposing points because they haven't been landed on your lap?


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