organic farming

Buford T. Justice XIX · 13-12-2019 12:08pm

toleratethis wrote: »

"cut dried & stored during the Summer months"

How do they deal with/get around the bird nesting/hedgecutting season?

No idea, just thought it might interest some here. I remember my father telling me about cutting furze for feed at one stage but no idea about it until I came across that.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 13-12-2019 12:19pm

https://twitter.com/NatOrgSkill/status/1205143435465887744?s=19

endainoz · 13-12-2019 12:38pm

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

https://twitter.com/NatOrgSkill/status/1205143435465887744?s=19

Saw this last night, plenty of videos to check out on it.

Water John · 13-12-2019 4:31pm

That's Christmas Day's viewing sorted.

Say my name · 13-12-2019 6:02pm

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

https://twitter.com/NatOrgSkill/status/1205143435465887744?s=19

Any dairy farmers should check them all out but if you want to watch one, have a look at Will Armitage. A high output organic dairy farmer. It's the kind of one where you need to watch a few times to understand it.
He's feeding beet to the milkers over the winter amongst all the other innovations of the year.

https://youtu.be/u5xN0AiTAiA

Buford T. Justice XIX · 17-12-2019 7:38pm

https://twitter.com/NatOrgSkill/status/1206904934312136706?s=19

Dinzee Conlee · 17-12-2019 11:00pm

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

https://twitter.com/NatOrgSkill/status/1206904934312136706?s=19

Got that email as well...

Bit steep I thought, for a half dozen WEB sessions?

Markcheese · 18-12-2019 12:17am

manjou wrote: »

The derogation is the most important part get it before you do anything castrate here as calves so send in derogation form with annual returns. Get anasethic from vet before calving season so if inspection happens you have on your records
As for where to inject ask your vet.ðŸ˜‰

Has anybody used "American bands" for castration ,at an older age ?
I guess you'd need a derogation , but shouldn't need anesthetic ... Although probably need them put on by a vet ...

auspicious · 18-12-2019 4:53pm

Markcheese wrote: »

Has anybody used "American bands" for castration ,at an older age ?
I guess you'd need a derogation , but shouldn't need anesthetic ... Although probably need them put on by a vet ...

I was viewing the 'vegan 'agenda' ' thread and this organic title piqued my interest.
I have read only the last post and found the ... after the anesthetic curious.
Now I'm not a farmer but I think it's obvious that castration causes pain especially in "older bulls", and so I looked it up.
Why has no farmer here said hold on a second that's not in the animal's welfare and can bring our high welfare standards in this country in to disrepute?
You give out about vegans, well these types of practices and indifference are why we exist.

"Pain

Pain is inherently a part of castration and cannot be avoided. The pain of castration occurs first as acute, short-term pain associated with the actual castration procedure. Chronic pain is the longer-lasting pain that occurs in the days following castration until the injury is healed. Minimizing castration-induced pain is important for animal welfare...

...Surgical castration or using an emasculatome is preferable to banding, unless calves can be banded within a week of birth."

https://aces.nmsu.edu/pubs/_b/B227/welcome.html

Panch18 · 18-12-2019 5:12pm

auspicious wrote: »

I was viewing the 'vegan 'agenda' ' thread and this organic title piqued my interest.
I have read only the last post and found the ... after the anesthetic curious.
Now I'm not a farmer but I think it's obvious that castration causes pain especially in "older bulls", and so I looked it up.
Why has no farmer here said hold on a second that's not in the animal's welfare and can bring our high welfare standards in this country in to disrepute?
You give out about vegans, well these types of practices and indifference are why we exist.

"Pain

Pain is inherently a part of castration and cannot be avoided. The pain of castration occurs first as acute, short-term pain associated with the actual castration procedure. Chronic pain is the longer-lasting pain that occurs in the days following castration until the injury is healed. Minimizing castration-induced pain is important for animal welfare...

...Surgical castration or using an emasculatome is preferable to banding, unless calves can be banded within a week of birth."

https://aces.nmsu.edu/pubs/_b/B227/welcome.html

I'll tell you what - why don't we band you and you can report back to us on the various stages of pain that you feel following the castration

Say my name · 18-12-2019 6:27pm

Dinzee Conlee wrote: »

Got that email as well...

Bit steep I thought, for a half dozen WEB sessions?

I see a few more 'courses' now being offered this year under that same banner.

They are no doubt about it seeing the opportunities to make a few quid.
Potentially big few quid at that.

Water John · 18-12-2019 8:42pm

The full year course with Jim Cronin is good value. A person with a natural flair for that horticultural area could build a business in their own area, just on the basis of that course.

auspicious · 18-12-2019 8:58pm

Panch18 wrote: »

I'll tell you what - why don't we band you and you can report back to us on the various stages of pain that you feel following the castration

That's the first threat I've received online or in my adult life.
Sadly we'll never meet. Unlike the unfortunate animal I am able to defend myself.

endainoz · 18-12-2019 9:07pm

Water John wrote: »

The full year course with Jim Cronin is good value. A person with a natural flair for that horticultural area could build a business in their own area, just on the basis of that course.

Yeah I signed up for the one starting in January, really looking forward to it!

endainoz · 18-12-2019 9:08pm

auspicious wrote: »

That's the first threat I've received online or in my adult life.
Sadly we'll never meet. Unlike the unfortunate animal I am able to defend myself.

Wrong thread chief, After hours is thataway.

Dinzee Conlee · 23-12-2019 7:54pm

Came across this link last night...

I wasnt sure where to post this, but this thread might suit it...

https://ti.to/biabeag/fermentation3/en

The first speaker might be interesting...

Just said I’d throw it up...

Markcheese · 24-12-2019 1:37am

Water John wrote: »

The full year course with Jim Cronin is good value. A person with a natural flair for that horticultural area could build a business in their own area, just on the basis of that course.

If you're going doing veg ect ,know your potential market ,check out the high end restaurants in your area and find out what the chefs want and when ... are there any local markets/ or even shops that you can get your produce into , even a road side stall and an honesty box while your starting off ...

Earnshaw · 02-01-2020 5:26pm

anyone who is a new entrant to the organic scheme received payment yet? or know when payments are likely to be for 'in conversion' farmers? Thanks.

endainoz · 02-01-2020 7:44pm

Yeah got my payment just before Christmas, seems to vary a bit for people. Might be worth giving the department a call, but seen as it's an Irish government Dept, I'd say you won't get through until Monday.

tractorporn · 10-01-2020 12:39am

For anyone thinking of getting into organic milk theres going to be a dispersal sale of the biggest organic dairy herd in the country in Donegal in February. I think they have over 1000 cows so should be plenty for lads, especially organic beef lads thinking of changing.

endainoz · 13-01-2020 8:40pm

Quick question folks, does the organic payment come in one part or is it split like GLAS?

manjou · 14-01-2020 5:55am

endainoz wrote: »

Quick question folks, does the organic payment come in one part or is it split like GLAS?

Split in 2 75 or 85% before Christmas rest may or June.

Earnshaw · 16-01-2020 2:02pm

Had a episode of viral pneumonia amongst my yearlings.

Ended up immediately having to give a lot of them an oral dose. It's written in my book now. What's the procedure with getting a derogation in relation to this?

adne · 16-01-2020 6:56pm

Any thoughts on if the organic scheme will open again... if so when?

endainoz · 16-01-2020 11:38pm

adne wrote: »

Any thoughts on if the organic scheme will open again... if so when?

It won't be until CAP is sorted I'd say, but there may be an environmental push sooner than that.

Water John · 17-01-2020 12:08am

Possibly 2 years. One way to possibly be sure of getting in then is, to convert and join IOA or Organic Trust. You'll miss out on the conversion payments and go straight to the base organic payment.
Might not work for you, but it's my plan.

manjou · 17-01-2020 10:00am

Earnshaw wrote: »

Had a episode of viral pneumonia amongst my yearlings.

Ended up immediately having to give a lot of them an oral dose. It's written in my book now. What's the procedure with getting a derogation in relation to this?

If vet came out and prescribed dose then you won't need derogation as animal welfare issue.

endainoz · 17-01-2020 4:41pm

In the organic course we did last summer, we were told about broadcasting clover in cut Meadows to fix nitrogen using granulated lime as a mixing agent. It's definitely something I'll be doing for the Meadows, particularly in one that doesn't get much slurry as it can be hard to access in the spring when the slurry would normally go out.

But my question is would it be possible to broadcast other seeds on ground with the intention of improving soil fertility/plant doversity And also would it be possible to broadcast tightly grazed grazing ground or in a field just topped?

Water John · 17-01-2020 4:51pm

If that is sort of wet ground, clover won't like it.
John McHugh was on Ecoeye earlier this week with a very diverse sward he uses for mob grazing. Don't know how he established it
I'm wondering about doing it too, thinking a guttler drill into the meadow.
I have some fields that are 23 years organic, I would like more diverse plants in them.

If you have sheep you can feed the clover seed to the sheep.

endainoz · 17-01-2020 6:17pm

Water John wrote: »

If that is sort of wet ground, clover won't like it.
John McHugh was on Ecoeye earlier this week with a very diverse sward he uses for mob grazing. Don't know how he established it
I'm wondering about doing it too, thinking a guttler drill into the meadow.
I have some fields that are 23 years organic, I would like more diverse plants in them.

If you have sheep you can feed the clover seed to the sheep.

I don't keep sheep, I know they would be handy to keep newly seeded ground in good condition. One of the speakers from bio farm had a video explaining how he spread wild flower seeds from one meadow to another and it was really interesting.

https://youtu.be/-JrbO96rQQo

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