organic farming

Water John

Quite obvious it didn't have the backing of the Senior Minister.

endainoz

tractorporn wrote:

A lot of people haven't been excepted, a good few tillage and dairy guys didn't get in. It seems that they took size into account for the points so if you were anyway small scale or had rented land (which counted for half the marks) you were screwed. I'm surprised that endainoz got in, you must have a big track of land if you've no tillage or dairy?

I think I was lucky to be honest, it seemed the threshold was to have at least 40 Ha of owned land. I'm just slightly over that so I think was a big factor. But I'd say luck was a very big part of it.

endainoz

https://m.independent.ie/business/farming/agri-business/darragh-mccullough-ground-up-instead-of-roundup-inspires-me-to-think-more-like-an-environmentalist-38682511.html

Sounds like Darragh was very inspired at Bio Farm.

Water John

Good move to get someone of his recognition to chair the two full days of the conference. In fairness, he's open minded and was also a good rappatour.

Got the rest of the straw lying shed concreted today. Easy to spend money. This small upgrade will cost over €5K. Would want to see a return.
Hoping to buy some more stores over the next few weeks.

Panch18

Water John wrote: »

Good move to get someone of his recognition to chair the two full days of the conference. In fairness, he's open minded and was also a good rappatour.

Got the rest of the straw lying shed concreted today. Easy to spend money. This small upgrade will cost over €5K. Would want to see a return.
Hoping to buy some more stores over the next few weeks.

Will you be selling as registered organic? Or in conversion for 2 years?

Water John

In conversion, buying organic stock that I won't sell until 2021.

Panch18

What course are lads doing when applying for the organic? Is it only open to those that are applying to go into organic air can anybody do it?

tractorporn

Panch18 wrote: »

What course are lads doing when applying for the organic? Is it only open to those that are applying to go into organic air can anybody do it?

To qualify for payments you have to have the fetac level 5 "introduction to organic farming" done and the cert uploaded to agfood.

But anyone can do the course. Teagasc usually run courses every year, last year the courses were in Portlaoise and Mallow, theres a planner, Mary Lynch, in Tipp town the does the course in the Ballykisteen hotel as well. Might be closer to ya.

Water John

I did it with NOTS in Drumshanbo, Leitrim.

gozunda

tractorporn wrote: »

To qualify for payments you have to have the fetac level 5 "introduction to organic farming" done and the cert uploaded to agfood.

But anyone can do the course. Teagasc usually run courses every year, last year the courses were in Portlaoise and Mallow, theres a planner, Mary Lynch, in Tipp town the does the course in the Ballykisteen hotel as well. Might be closer to ya.

I think I may have done that one years ago. Had to a report as part of the coursework- did one on organic weed control but absolutely no idea where it might be! Must check in the heap of certs in the office ...

Buford T. Justice XIX

Well, that's a development I didn't expect.

https://thierrystokkermans.wordpress.com/2016/06/01/what-is-the-future-of-organic-no-till/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Earnshaw

I was wondering if anyone could provide info on the following.

At what age can bulls be castrated (with a burdizzo) without using anesthetic?

tractorporn

Earnshaw wrote: »

I was wondering if anyone could provide info on the following.

At what age can bulls be castrated (with a burdizzo) without using anesthetic?

In organics? Basically you cant. All castration or skulling has to be done using anesthetic and you have to have a derogation form from your organic body as well.

Its important to have this or else it's a slap on the wrist and could be a 20% fine on your OFS. I learnt that the hard way .

Earnshaw

Can the anesthetic used for castration be purchased and administered by the farmer?

tractorporn

Earnshaw wrote: »

Can the anesthetic used for castration be purchased and administered by the farmer?

I just bought a bottle of adrenacaine from my vet. Make sure to write it down as a vet treatment in your record book as well.

Water John

Does the 6 months age have any issue on castration? Sorry, Porn but you seem to be source of info here.

Earnshaw

is adrenacaine sufficient for castration then?

Water_John: what are you implying here?

Water John

It's just the regs seem to say to use anesthetic for under 6 months. what about over 6 months, not mentioned.
Maybe I'm misreading in some way.

Earnshaw

ya that's what had me confused!

In any case, i'd like to know if adrenacaine is an appropriate anaesthethic for castration purposes?

tractorporn

Water John wrote: »

Does the 6 months age have any issue on castration? Sorry, Porn but you seem to be source of info here.

Not in organics, apparently if you put a ring on a bull calf at a day old he should get a shot of painkiller

endainoz

On an unrelated note, is anyone still waiting for the organic payment? I read somewhere that payments had started but I haven't seen anything on agfood yet...

Earnshaw

All I know is you won't get organic payments if you are waiting to get payment for GLAS.

Still no wiser on castration. Under the regulations, can you use adrenacaine and can it be administered by the farmer?

Also, if you castrate after 6 months of age is it nessecary to use anaesthetic...?

ganmo

Earnshaw wrote: »

All I know is you won't get organic payments if you are waiting to get payment for GLAS.

Still no wiser on castration. Under the regulations, can you use adrenacaine and can it be administered by the farmer?

Also, if you castrate after 6 months of age is it nessecary to use anaesthetic...?

its a prescription medication, so when getting it off your vet they'll be able to tell ya

tractorporn

Earnshaw wrote: »

All I know is you won't get organic payments if you are waiting to get payment for GLAS.

Still no wiser on castration. Under the regulations, can you use adrenacaine and can it be administered by the farmer?

Also, if you castrate after 6 months of age is it nessecary to use anaesthetic...?

Over 6 months of age you have to get the vet to do it, under the organic standards they must be castrated before 6 months and disbudded before 15 days . You can inject the adrenacaine yourself, 2cc into the groove in the head for skulling, not sure where it goes for castration I presume into the sac.

Water John

So you have to apply for a derogation if over 6 months and get the vet to do it.

Buford T. Justice XIX

Came across this survey earlier and thought it might interest some of you on the information on browsing as well as the survey.
https://twitter.com/JennByrne/status/1205170421827620866?s=19

toleratethis

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

Came across this survey earlier and thought it might interest some of you on the information on browsing as well as the survey.
https://twitter.com/JennByrne/status/1205170421827620866?s=19

"cut dried & stored during the Summer months"

How do they deal with/get around the bird nesting/hedgecutting season?

tractorporn

Water John wrote: »

So you have to apply for a derogation if over 6 months and get the vet to do it.

Yeah, you have to apply for a derogation regardless of age tho. It should be at the back of your renewal form I saw it on mine there today.

Earnshaw

tractorporn wrote: »

Over 6 months of age you have to get the vet to do it, under the organic standards they must be castrated before 6 months and disbudded before 15 days . You can inject the adrenacaine yourself, 2cc into the groove in the head for skulling, not sure where it goes for castration I presume into the sac.

Thanks for clarifying TP.

If anyone can provide further input on injecting into the sac it'd be helpful...

manjou

The derogation is the most important part get it before you do anything castrate here as calves so send in derogation form with annual returns. Get anasethic from vet before calving season so if inspection happens you have on your records
As for where to inject ask your vet.😉