Ridiculous #GE2020 promises

Qrt · 15-01-2020 10:43pm #1

Thought I’d start a thread about the most ludicrous and ridiculous infrastructure promises coming out of this election.

To start, Deirdre O’Donovan and a luas Extension from Tallaght to Ballycullen... there’s not even a bus at the moment, maybe that should be a starting point? :eyeroll:

famagusta · 15-01-2020 10:48pm

Anything that Sinn Fein say

Idbatterim · 15-01-2020 11:08pm

get metrolink built asap! Busconnects, metrolink nothing comes close in comparison. Also couldnt be arsed listening to those idiots with no idea about transport and no opinions other than wanting to block it! Dart Underground a vital project, but not going ahead in foreseeable future!

Out of all the big issues, transport is by a mile the easiest solveable, desperately urgent and mickey mouse money.... and everyone agrees we need far more sustainable and better transport

these idiots, who have provided us with a third world transport sytstem in Dublin, have any of them proposed a hyperloop yet? (what with an imminent election and all that)...

LXFlyer · 16-01-2020 2:13am

Qrt wrote: »

Thought I’d start a thread about the most ludicrous and ridiculous infrastructure promises coming out of this election.

To start, Deirdre O’Donovan and a luas Extension from Tallaght to Ballycullen... there’s not even a bus at the moment, maybe that should be a starting point? :eyeroll:

Just to correct you - there is a bus doing that - in fact three of them - the 49, 75 and 175 link Tallaght and different parts of Ballycullen.

spacetweek · 16-01-2020 8:49am

Bridge from NI-Scotland. We should of course be building one between Ireland and wales

Qrt · 16-01-2020 9:44am

LXFlyer wrote: »

Just to correct you - there is a bus doing that - in fact three of them - the 49, 75 and 175 link Tallaght and different parts of Ballycullen.

Oh I know, but Ballycullen is getting further and further south. I mean something akin to the proposed 16.

liamog · 16-01-2020 10:06am

I want an underwater floating Maglev tunnel to France, that way we can handle when the UK wants to exit the Northern Hemisphere

Thelonious Monk · 16-01-2020 1:39pm

Rural TDs are promising bypasses all over the place according to Morning Ireland today. These are far more likely to get the go ahead rather than Metro and Bus Connects, in my opinion.

MrAbyss · 16-01-2020 6:01pm

anything the Greens say.

MrAbyss · 18-01-2020 2:38pm

Eamon Ryan is now saying they will double track the single track lines around the country rather than build more 'Fianna Fail Motorways'.

Qrt · 18-01-2020 3:05pm

MrAbyss wrote: »

Eamon Ryan is now saying they will double track the single track lines around the country rather than build more 'Fianna Fail Motorways'.

Aside from the last comment, that’s a fairly reasonable promise. I can’t believe the Galway line is still single track.

MrAbyss · 18-01-2020 4:42pm

Qrt wrote: »

Aside from the last comment, that’s a fairly reasonable promise. I can’t believe the Galway line is still single track.

I agree, but judging by his MetroLink interference he'll get the crayons out and strategically destroy this too.

Dats me · 19-01-2020 6:32pm

Jim O Callaghan in Dublin Bay South has Safer Cycling and Better Public Transport on the front of his leaflet, and paragraphs on how terrible Metro South was and how he opposes BusConnects on the back!

zell12 · 19-01-2020 6:35pm

Galway (Fianna Fáil in tiny print), even though it'll result in induced congested motor traffic

LeinsterDub · 20-01-2020 11:19am

Qrt wrote: »

Thought I’d start a thread about the most ludicrous and ridiculous infrastructure promises coming out of this election.

To start, Deirdre O’Donovan and a luas Extension from Tallaght to Ballycullen... there’s not even a bus at the moment, maybe that should be a starting point? :eyeroll:

Was this through the door? Would be great if people could post a picture of them

magicbastarder · 20-01-2020 11:24am

i've seen a comment on twitter that FF are promising to redesign (or perhaps tear up) the busconnects plan. if true, probably an election promise going the opposite direction to what the OP was getting at.

LeinsterDub · 20-01-2020 11:27am

famagusta wrote: »

Anything that Sinn Fein say

Have SF said anything about PT . I can't find it.

LeinsterDub · 20-01-2020 11:28am

magicbastarder wrote: »

i've seen a comment on twitter that FF are promising to redesign (or perhaps tear up) the busconnects plan. if true, probably an election promise going the opposite direction to what the OP was getting at.

Of course they are , they have to. They basically claimed it was the spawn of Satan. It doesn't leave much wiggle room

tom1ie · 20-01-2020 11:30am

LeinsterDub wrote: »

Was this through the door? Would be great if people could post a picture on them

Yep got that leaflet through the door.
Don't see how a Luas from tallaght to ballycullen is going to help unless it went out to sandyford aswell as headed out towards Liffey valley.
Then that'd be like metro West.
Don't think o Donovan has a clue tbh, iirc she opposes bus connects also.

Idbatterim · 20-01-2020 11:30am

Dats me wrote: »

Jim O Callaghan in Dublin Bay South has Safer Cycling and Better Public Transport on the front of his leaflet, and paragraphs on how terrible Metro South was and how he opposes BusConnects on the back!

What’s his is plan ? Metro lines everywhere, when getting even one is nearly a pipe dream ? Or glacial buses , wonder which one he supports !

tom1ie · 20-01-2020 11:33am

Idbatterim wrote: »

What’s his is plan ? Metro lines everywhere, when getting even one is nearly a pipe dream ? Or glacial buses , wonder which one he supports !

Busses with bus priority and cycle lanes are so important. But unfortunately this isn't going to grab any votes so they all seem to be staying away from tackling this subject.
Whats the green partys stance on bus connects?

Idbatterim · 20-01-2020 11:38am

tom1ie wrote: »

Busses with bus priority and cycle lanes are so important. But unfortunately this isn't going to grab any votes so they all seem to be staying away from tackling this subject.
Whats the green partys stance on bus connects?

What way is the public mood blowing on bus connects ?! That will tell you. I was coming towards terenure earlier , there is a massive pinch point caused where there is a gap in the bus corridor. Only a fault short section, and all it would take to address is removing a meter or so from the ridiculously long front gardens on this short stretch!

But they are so populist here and unwilling to do anything, that you know what ? I am actually surprised Eamon Ryan and all of these gob****es running for election , haven’t proposed a harrier bus , when it reaches congestion, or a gap in the qbc, it just lifts off vertically , then flies forward until landing back then when it hits the next stretch of qbc ...

Idbatterim · 20-01-2020 11:40am

tom1ie wrote: »

Yep got that leaflet through the door.
Don't see how a Luas from tallaght to ballycullen is going to help unless it went out to sandyford aswell as headed out towards Liffey valley.
Then that'd be like metro West.
Don't think o Donovan has a clue tbh, iirc she opposes bus connects also.

NOn of them have a clue. They spend nothing on infrastructure here and they are seriously proposing spending it on pipe dream massively expensive projects?

Dublin needs bus connects , Dublin metro line and dart underground. The other projects are insignificant jokes in comparison.

is_that_so · 20-01-2020 11:42am

MrAbyss wrote: »

Eamon Ryan is now saying they will double track the single track lines around the country rather than build more 'Fianna Fail Motorways'.

Is there a number on it? Rail track costs an awful lot.

Idbatterim · 20-01-2020 12:32pm

This talk of rail in rural Ireland. You hear so much about rural Ireland and isolation etc. I think running electric buses might be a bit more practical and effective !

Idbatterim · 20-01-2020 12:35pm

I just read the Dublin commuter group proposals. You need a few of that lot running for election. Not the morons that are !

The easiest and most beneficial green movement, is getting people out of cars. Eases congestion and would help environment massively. As transport here is so appalling , there is a lot of low hanging fruit.

NIMAN · 20-01-2020 12:39pm

spacetweek wrote: »

Bridge from NI-Scotland. We should of course be building one between Ireland and wales

I don't think a bridge from NI to the UK has been mentioned in the RoI general election campaigns, has it?

Jizique · 20-01-2020 12:40pm

Qrt wrote: »

Aside from the last comment, that’s a fairly reasonable promise. I can’t believe the Galway line is still single track.

Why would I get a train to Galway when the bus is little more than 2 hours?

Thelonious Monk · 20-01-2020 12:40pm

Idbatterim wrote: »

I just read the Dublin commuter group proposals. You need a few of that lot running for election. Not the morons that are !

The easiest and most beneficial green movement, is getting people out of cars. Eases congestion and would help environment massively. As transport here is so appalling , there is a lot of low hanging fruit.

I actually don't think the political and legal environment in Ireland allows for any major rail/bus projects to go ahead. I don't think Metro will happen, it will be scrapped in the next recession, and bus connects annoys some posh people so they'll be objecting to that constantly.
Plus I think a massive percentage of Irish people just want to drive their cars everywhere, traffic or not. So it's pretty hopeless.

Idbatterim · 20-01-2020 12:45pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I actually don't think the political and legal environment in Ireland allows for any major rail/bus projects to go ahead. I don't think Metro will happen, it will be scrapped in the next recession, and bus connects annoys some posh people so they'll be objecting to that constantly.
Plus I think a massive percentage of Irish people just want to drive their cars everywhere, traffic or not. So it's pretty hopeless.

It’s one of the reasons I’m reluctantly voting fg. These projects are scrapped at the hint of a downturn. We need another few years to get them into the building stage , then if things go bang at least the priorities are in the bag. The steady growth also means that the public will make this a bigger issue as things get worse. One big issue with rail , is it doesn’t go into central Dublin. Dart underground , dart expansion and Dublin metro would be a radical transformation!

My door bell is ringing a few times a day. I’d get more out of watching trash day time tv , than speaking to the morons looking for votes. The same crowd who’ve been doing nothing but trying to block development and transport improvements over the last few years. These people knocking at your door are the problem, not the solution !

LeinsterDub · 20-01-2020 12:49pm

is_that_so wrote: »

Is there a number on it? Rail track costs an awful lot.

So do roads, it's odd that rarely get mentioned

veryangryman · 20-01-2020 1:45pm

LeinsterDub wrote: »

So do roads, it's odd that rarely get mentioned

Said roads can be used by all transport types (other than heavy rail) and are usually cheaper per km to build. Less fking about if your a truck too.

AngryLips · 20-01-2020 2:02pm

I came here looking forward to reading about stupid election promises, but I'm leaving feeling very disappointing.

is_that_so · 20-01-2020 2:09pm

LeinsterDub wrote: »

So do roads, it's odd that rarely get mentioned

Easier to maintain, more people use them and they go where people need to go regardless of how few use them. Rail infrastructure maintenance is IR's biggest cost. Parties don't get to throw out all-encompassing brainfarts without a price tag, some level of scoping and a timeline.

LeinsterDub · 20-01-2020 2:09pm

veryangryman wrote: »

Said roads can be used by all transport types (other than heavy rail) and are usually cheaper per km to build. Less fking about if your a truck too.

Said rail can be used to transport all types and are cheaper per km in the long term

LeinsterDub · 20-01-2020 2:12pm

is_that_so wrote: »

Easier to maintain, more people use them and they go where people need to go regardless of how few use them. Rail infrastructure maintenance is IT's biggest cost. Parties don't get to throw out all-encompassing brainfarts without a price tag and timeline.

Roads are more expensive to maintain. Of course more people use them as they've had a massive investment to courage that use.

tom1ie · 20-01-2020 2:41pm

got a leaflet from john lahart ff promising:
(1)metro sw, basic premise saying its unfair green line was to be upgraded, sw has no infrastructure. good idea but I don't know where hes getting the money from?
(2) large p+r's on radial routes into Dublin (very good idea, ive said it for ages, they just have to make sure quality pt comes out the city side of the p+r)
(3) school bus service in his constituency (indeed good idea needs to be done to cut down on traffic)
(4) luas from Sandyford to Tallaght...................wheres the money for that coming from?
(5) policing qbc's and bus lanes using cctv, I think he means anpr cameras. this is a no brainer and shane ross is a disgrace for not bringing them in and ruling it out.
(6) changing Dublin into a national park city, ie more trees, emission free zones etc, investing in cycling etc.

its all good ideas, but wheres he getting the extra 6 or so billion for metro sw, and the Sandyford Tallaght luas link?
also he says he wants to push cycling as a solution along with expanding the bus network, but didn't he oppose bus connects......................

LeinsterDub · 20-01-2020 3:29pm

tom1ie wrote: »

got a leaflet from john lahart ff promising:
(1)metro sw, basic premise saying its unfair green line was to be upgraded, sw has no infrastructure. good idea but I don't know where hes getting the money from?
(4) luas from Sandyford to Tallaght...................wheres the money for that coming from?

Money is available from the EIB or negative interest bonds. The issues is these ideas are ridiculous. The Green line upgrade is required because it's reaching maximum capacity and SW metro actually makes this problem worse .

Sandyford to Tallaght is fine but it can take a number after about 20 other projects.

tom1ie · 20-01-2020 3:50pm

LeinsterDub wrote: »

Money is available from the EIB or negative interest bonds. The issues is these ideas are ridiculous. The Green line upgrade is required because it's reaching maximum capacity and SW metro actually makes this problem worse .

Sandyford to Tallaght is fine but it can take a number after about 20 other projects.

The green line absolutely needs to be upgraded to metro standard and giving into the nimbys was a disgrace. id go as far as to say the gl needs to be upgraded right out to cherrywood to accommodate the massive developments out there.
However, if money is available from the EIB, we should build metro sw. A spur off the main metro line will half the frequency on that line, but two different areas of the city will be getting serviced.
Also if your running trains at 90sec intervals that means that trains will be pushed out to every 3 mins on the main line and the spur, that's hardly a disgrace, especially if you have driverless hfv, that are 90ms long!
If the moneys available it should be done.

Qrt · 20-01-2020 4:46pm

tom1ie wrote: »

Don't think o Donovan has a clue tbh, iirc she opposes bus connects also.

She was elected as an independent, then switched to FF pretty much straight away. That’s just sneaky considering she probably wouldn’t have won with the FF banner.

Besides, she’s still going on about Orlagh Roundabout! God love the poor people of Knocklyon not having an extra lane.

LeinsterDub · 20-01-2020 4:49pm

tom1ie wrote: »

The green line absolutely needs to be upgraded to metro standard and giving into the nimbys was a disgrace. id go as far as to say the gl needs to be upgraded right out to cherrywood to accommodate the massive developments out there.
However, if money is available from the EIB, we should build metro sw. A spur off the main metro line will half the frequency on that line, but two different areas of the city will be getting serviced.
Also if your running trains at 90sec intervals that means that trains will be pushed out to every 3 mins on the main line and the spur, that's hardly a disgrace, especially if you have driverless hfv, that are 90ms long!
If the moneys available it should be done.

I believe the they will be 60m but i'm ready to be corrected . If we a building a metro in the SW it should be stand alone meeting ML around OCS . It could then continue out towards Coolock and interchange a Malahide.

Zebra3 · 20-01-2020 5:00pm

tom1ie wrote: »

(2) large p+r's on radial routes into Dublin (very good idea, ive said it for ages, they just have to make sure quality pt comes out the city side of the p+r)

And what do people get onto after parking?

tom1ie · 20-01-2020 5:36pm

Zebra3 wrote: »

And what do people get onto after parking?

Hey look it’s not my message it’s John laharts, but it has potential, once there are multiple different bus routes leaving at high frequencies from the p+r. These busses would need to have qbc’s to get those busses where they are going and on to further interchange points.
They will be commuter busses that have few stops, designed to stop at transport interchange hubs and final destinations only.
In the case of the n4 heavy rail could be brought into the scenario also, if they can get a move on building our bespoke train sets.

Zebra3 · 20-01-2020 5:40pm

tom1ie wrote: »

Hey look it’s not my message it’s John laharts, but it has potential, once there are multiple different bus routes leaving at high frequencies from the p+r. These busses would need to have qbc’s to get those busses where they are going and on to further interchange points.
They will be commuter busses that have few stops, designed to stop at transport interchange hubs and final destinations only.
In the case of the n4 heavy rail could be brought into the scenario also, if they can get a move on building our bespoke train sets.

I never meant to imply that it was your message but it seems pointless to propose P&R facilities without a grand plan for them to be integrated into a proper PT network.

is_that_so · 20-01-2020 5:42pm

LeinsterDub wrote: »

Roads are more expensive to maintain. Of course more people use them as they've had a massive investment to courage that use.

So what exactly are you looking for, bearing in mind that very little of the IR network makes a profit?

LeinsterDub · 20-01-2020 5:44pm

is_that_so wrote: »

So what exactly are you looking for, bearing in mind that very little of the IR network makes a profit?

PT isn't meant to make a profit . Most roads make 0 profit too. In fact most roads are just money sinks. I'd agree with the call for each 1 euro spent on road 2 should go to PT.

Dats me · 20-01-2020 6:49pm

Idbatterim wrote: »

What way is the public mood blowing on bus connects ?! That will tell you. I was coming towards terenure earlier , there is a massive pinch point caused where there is a gap in the bus corridor. Only a fault short section, and all it would take to address is removing a meter or so from the ridiculously long front gardens on this short stretch!

But they are so populist here and unwilling to do anything, that you know what ? I am actually surprised Eamon Ryan and all of these gob****es running for election , haven’t proposed a harrier bus , when it reaches congestion, or a gap in the qbc, it just lifts off vertically , then flies forward until landing back then when it hits the next stretch of qbc ...

Greens support BusConnects - and public mood seems more positive now from what I can see. What do you guys think based on conversations at work etc?

MrAbyss · 20-01-2020 7:55pm

I am amazed how many people I meet are voting for the Greens. If we had a proper Green party here and not this bunch I would be positive for public transport but I am not.

LeinsterDub · 21-01-2020 8:36am

MrAbyss wrote: »

I am amazed how many people I meet are voting for the Greens. If we had a proper Green party here and not this bunch I would be positive for public transport but I am not.

In what way are they not proper? Who do you think will deliver on PT so?

tom1ie · 21-01-2020 11:15am

I will be voting green.
I know people were not happy with eamon Ryan’s input into metrolink etc, however he was looking to get more metro for more parts of the city.
If the money can be got, I can’t argue against this.
Fact is I don’t trust fffg to deliver any promises they make, not just on pt, but everything else.
The rest of the parties, maybe with the exception of the social democrats, have no interest in solving the traffic chaos, they just want to promise houses for everyone.

tom1ie · 21-01-2020 11:17am

Dats me wrote: »

Greens support BusConnects - and public mood seems more positive now from what I can see. What do you guys think based on conversations at work etc?

Yep, seems like a large green vote alright, not sure what there stance is on health and justice though. I’ll have to do my research.

Ridiculous #GE2020 promises

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