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Star Trek: Picard - Amazon Prime [** POSSIBLE SPOILERS **]

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,719 ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


    pixelburp wrote: »
    This is about Picard, in old age, on one last adventure. So long as Jean Luc is written well and in character I don't give a damn if this isn't TNG V2.

    I probably said this already, but I worry about this more than anything else. I think Picard was a very difficult character to write, especially when taken off the Enterprise. If you look at the episodes where he was the main focus, I'd argue the writers got him wrong as much as they got right. Anytime they tried to give him an emotional or personal challenge, something that brought him down a step or made him more vulnerable, the result often felt out of character. This show's concept of "Picard in old age" may end up being just another variation on this.

    I also think Stewart's instincts about the character weren't always the best. Him holding Riker's hand in the Picard trailer for example seems more Stewart than Picard to me. The character possibly worked best when you had Roddenberry (or his ghost) in the background reigning everyone in.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,853 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    pixelburp wrote: »
    Again, no episodes released so let's wait and see about how much or little Picard "feels" like Trek. The way some invoke the name of Kurtzman you'd swear he was Voldemort.

    Did DS9 feel like Trek? Because it went very far down the deconstructist path that Voyager happened as a reaction to the former shows attempts to remove some of the myth from the series.

    if its good its good, we will see. As for DS9 , it showed that not every series has to be about a ship going boldly forward , that's grand, and it did fit into the trek universe. I must say if I could only bring one of the shows to a desert island, it would probably be DS9

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    silverharp wrote: »
    if its good its good, we will see. As for DS9 , it showed that not every series has to be about a ship going boldly forward , that's grand, and it did fit into the trek universe. I must say if I could only bring one of the shows to a desert island, it would probably be DS9

    It fit into the universe, but most certainly did not adhere to the principles of TNG era Trek. I might be misremembering and mangling a DS9 quote but it was observed that it was "easy to be a saint in paradise", the show regularly taking the idea of the Federation and slowly disassembling the latent hypocrisies and compromises they would surely have committed in the name of their creed.

    I'm sure the letters written to the studio and fanzines amounted to the same thing said now, that it wasn't "my Trek". Not that I believe Picard is going to ace it, I remain sceptical but from what I've read and heard it seems like there might be more DS9 era Fed; not so much corrupt but a little toothless and irrelevant


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,961 ✭✭✭Evade


    All DS9 really did was make what used to be guest character archetypes a main character. There were plenty of Starfleet characters before DS9 started that were renegades, mavericks, borderline evil, or just crazy (this one was usually anyone above the rank of captain) DS9 rolled those traits into The Sisko.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Evade wrote: »
    All DS9 really did was make what used to be guest character archetypes a main character. There were plenty of Starfleet characters before DS9 started that were renegades, mavericks, borderline evil, or just crazy (this one was usually anyone above the rank of captain) DS9 rolled those traits into The Sisko.

    I think that's doing DS9 a disservice TBH; it was far subtler and nuanced than that, TNG as you say leaning more into the idea of rogues going crazy, melodrama included. DS9 suggested something more insidious and entrenched in the heart of the Fed than in TNG, which was more geared towards outliers or external influences (such as seen in Conspiracy) that passed the buck.

    Sisko was a frontiersman, who straddled the sometimes impossible line the Fed asked him to live by; it was easier for Picard to be the beacon of enlightenment from the flagship vessel; if you were super cynical you could call the Enterprise a propaganda vehicle. In fact it feels like this show starts from the point of Picard reeling from his own experiences on that ragged edge, breaking a man of conviction, inexperienced with the Fed being a failing institution.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,961 ✭✭✭Evade


    pixelburp wrote: »
    I think that's doing DS9 a disservice TBH; it was far subtler and nuanced than that, TNG as you say leaning more into the idea of rogues going crazy, melodrama included. DS9 suggested something more insidious and entrenched in the heart of the Fed than in TNG, which was more geared towards outliers or external influences (such as seen in Conspiracy) that passed the buck.
    TNG and TOS had the OTT crazy Admirals and such, I only threw that in because Sisko borders on being a few ships shy of a fleet. But there are more subtle grey characters around before DS9 that I would be surprised if they didn't have some influence on the direction DS9 took. Bruce Maddox and Benjamin Maxwell are two good examples. Maddox isn't necessarily wrong, just reckless, and if he was successful it would have been a huge boon to Starfleet. Maxwell on the other hand was 100% right and got punished for it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,853 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    pixelburp wrote: »
    It fit into the universe, but most certainly did not adhere to the principles of TNG era Trek. I might be misremembering and mangling a DS9 quote but it was observed that it was "easy to be a saint in paradise", the show regularly taking the idea of the Federation and slowly disassembling the latent hypocrisies and compromises they would surely have committed in the name of their creed.

    I'm sure the letters written to the studio and fanzines amounted to the same thing said now, that it wasn't "my Trek". Not that I believe Picard is going to ace it, I remain sceptical but from what I've read and heard it seems like there might be more DS9 era Fed; not so much corrupt but a little toothless and irrelevant

    in the round DS9 is broadly liked, at the time I would have preferred TNG, DS9 was probably one of those shows that got better as it went on. it was Trek in the way that there was a group of strong characters, one didn't tune in to see op Sisco personally save the station each week from whatever.
    I don't know much about Picard except he will only be in the first series? so im guessing he will be more a side character or will be constantly upstaged by whatever whippersnappers they introduce.

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    silverharp wrote: »
    in the round DS9 is broadly liked, at the time I would have preferred TNG, DS9 was probably one of those shows that got better as it went on. it was Trek in the way that there was a group of strong characters, one didn't tune in to see op Sisco personally save the station each week from whatever.
    I don't know much about Picard except he will only be in the first series? so im guessing he will be more a side character or will be constantly upstaged by whatever whippersnappers they introduce.

    IIRC it was announced there'd be a second season, and that Stewart will be present. Whether Stewart will be for it given his age, we'll see.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,265 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    Patrick Stewart is going to be appearing on the Graham Norton show next week about 6 days before the show is released. I wonder what he will have to say.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,648 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Awww I just had part of the season one ending spoiled for me :(

    Unless it's a fake.

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,135 ✭✭✭jhegarty


    Awww I just had part of the season one ending spoiled for me :(

    Unless it's a fake.

    I think I need to get off the internet for the next too months. Thanks for the warning.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,648 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    jhegarty wrote: »
    I think I need to get off the internet for the next too months. Thanks for the warning.

    Going to find a script for my browser that blocks it. Worked well for Avengers and Rise of Skywalker.

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,354 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    Just watched Children of Mars. A lot better than I expected.

    The tribbles one is quite good as well. Loved the post credits scene :)

    Q&A has a weird "The Graduate" vibe to it :/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 365 ✭✭ExoPolitic


    Stark wrote: »
    Just watched Children of Mars. A lot better than I expected.

    The tribbles one is quite good as well. Loved the post credits scene :)

    Q&A has a weird "The Graduate" vibe to it :/

    Where did you watch it? I can't find it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,410 ✭✭✭Eire Go Brach


    So what do I need to prep for Picard? I’m thinking:

    Nemesis
    The shorts
    The comics

    What do use reckon?

    I pay for Prime and Netflix. Looks like the shorts have to be Torrented. Which is ridiculous.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,265 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    So what do I need to prep for Picard? I’m thinking:

    Nemesis
    The shorts
    The comics

    What do use reckon?

    I pay for Prime and Netflix. Looks like the shorts have to be Torrented. Which is ridiculous.

    I would say any TNG Borg episode and maybe one or two from Voyager because Seven is going to be in this too.
    I would also watch say watch ''Measure of A Man'' just because it is a brilliant episode. Maybe the first episode of DS9 as well as there is some shots of the Borg and Locutus at the beginning of that.
    I would say ''Generations'' and First Contact as well.

    I am sure there is more.

    There is a thread here about what maybe would be worth watching,

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058039851

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,410 ✭✭✭Eire Go Brach


    AMKC wrote: »
    I would say any TNG Borg episode and maybe one or two from Voyager because Seven is going to be in this too.
    I would also watch say watch ''Measure of A Man'' just because it is a brilliant episode. Maybe the first episode of DS9 as well as there is some shots of the Borg and Locutus at the beginning of that.
    I would say ''Generations'' and First Contact as well.

    I am sure there is more.

    There is a thread here about what maybe would be worth watching,

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058039851

    Thanks for that. Never knew about it.

    For me I just want to catch up on the storyline of Picard.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,265 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    ExoPolitic wrote: »
    Where did you watch it? I can't find it?

    I found it here although its fecking tiny. Does not seem to be any way to enlarge it so can't see all the detail.

    https://www.dailymotion.com/search/Star%20Trek%20short%20treks

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,265 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    Just two good links for anyone wanting to catch up before Picard is out,

    These cover every TNG episode you need to catch up on before Picard

    https://intl.startrek.com/videos/watch-catch-up-on-these-episodes-before-star-trek-picard

    https://intl.startrek.com/news/your-ultimate-star-trek-picard-watch-guide

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,751 ✭✭✭marcbrophy


    AMKC wrote: »
    Just two good links for anyone wanting to catch up before Picard is out,

    These cover every TNG episode you need to catch up on before Picard

    Can you redo the links, they aren't the correct ones, they've been parsed? :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,265 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    marcbrophy wrote: »
    Can you redo the links, they aren't the correct ones, they've been parsed? :)

    Thank you for letting me know. They work now.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,751 ✭✭✭marcbrophy


    AMKC wrote: »
    Thank you for letting me know. They work now.

    No bother, thanks a million :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,481 ✭✭✭Rawr


    Just recently re-watched TNG's Season 6 cliffhanger Descent the other day.

    They really left that story thread open didn't they? If Hugh really is in ST: Picard, I can't help but wonder what he and all of his Borg-buddies ended up doing after Lore was defeated. Hopefully we'll now learn more...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 962 ✭✭✭Burty330


    Klutzman going the Disney route of dragging back old characters for the merit of nostalgia cos he's a hack who hasn't the creativity to come up with something original.
    This is Mikey Mouse alternate licence level Trek. Until proven otherwise its just Discovery with Picard being wheeled out for once last adventure.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    I'm not sure if we had confirmation of Season 2 before now.. I think we had.

    102 page thread for a show that hasn't aired one single episode yet! :)


    anyway, the CBS twitter confirmed the renewal for Season 2 already:
    https://twitter.com/startrekcbs/status/1216475670823329794


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,265 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    @Slydice Yep It has been confirmed on here already but sure there is no harm in bringing it up again just to remind us all as well as for anyone who did not know

    So just seen that Will Wheaton will the new hostof ''The Ready Room'' which is something I have never watched but is on after Picard and was on after Discovery I think to talk about it/them.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 962 ✭✭✭Burty330


    Where Silence Has Lease from TNG S2 is better than the entirety of ST Disgracery..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Wish they'd use a cleaner look for the text in the Trek branding, don't like that metallic texture they keep using and would prefer the classic, flat colour of yore.


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  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 15,264 Mod ✭✭✭✭FutureGuy


    Burty330 wrote: »
    Klutzman going the Disney route of dragging back old characters for the merit of nostalgia cos he's a hack who hasn't the creativity to come up with something original.
    This is Mikey Mouse alternate licence level Trek. Until proven otherwise its just Discovery with Picard being wheeled out for once last adventure.

    Negative posts much? So basically we’re not allowed have anyone that has ever appeared on TNG, DS9 or Voyager on this show?

    In my opinion, they’d be nuts not to use some characters from the universe. Clearly anyone they have brought in has a role to play in the story.


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