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Leinster vs. Lyon, Sunday 12th January, 13.00 (BT2)

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    #62
    Squidgy Black
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    Surely must be a yellow here shortly, every time we're inside the 22 there's been two or more penalty advantages


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    #63
    Larbre34
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    Why didn't the ref tell the TMO to eff off, he wasn't one bit convinced himself??!!


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    #64
    awec
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    PhlegmyMoses wrote: »
    I honestly don't know how anybody can say that confidently.

    Tracy dropped it into a red arm. Knock on.


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    #65
    Neil3030
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    I'm absolutely fine with a TMO standing up to a ref like that and wish more would do it.


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    #66
    thegreycity
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    TMO said it would have gone forward were it not for the red arm. So it didn't go forward.


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    #67
    pickarooney
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    awec wrote: »
    Tracy dropped it into a red arm. Knock on.

    If he did, and the ref sees that, no problem at all. But then the ref can't see it after repeated replays he can't let someone overrule him.


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    #68
    Larbre34
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    Leo the Lion does a Starsky and Hutch. Lol.


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    #69
    Larbre34
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    Neil3030 wrote: »
    I'm absolutely fine with a TMO standing up to a ref like that and wish more would do it.

    The Ref is the senior official, the boss, the one who carries the can for all decisions, end of.


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    #70
    Hurrache
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    Larbre34 wrote: »
    Why didn't the ref tell the TMO to eff off, he wasn't one bit convinced himself??!!

    I suppose you have to trust your officials. TMO was insistent that he could see it, albeit the only one it seems who could. His justification was a bit bizzare, would have gone forward if it hadn't been stopped going forward by someone else.


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    #71
    Neil3030
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    Larbre34 wrote: »
    The Ref is the senior official, the boss, the one who carries the can for all decisions, end of.

    TMO has an exponentially better viewpoint. Ref trusted him to have made the correct call. More should do this.


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    #72
    Larbre34
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    Neil3030 wrote: »
    TMO has an exponentially better viewpoint. Ref trusted him to have made the correct call. More should do this.

    He took quite a bit of convincing, which is not credible as a system.

    If the TMO makes a wrong call, and lets be clear here, he was judging the Fardy handling on the ground, not Tracy, the Ref carries the can in the post match review as senior official.

    If the Refs instinct is to overrule the TMO, then he should retain the right to do so.


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    #73
    troyzer
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    Fair play to Lyon. They've shown up.


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    #74
    Clegg
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    Strange game

    Lyon have done nothing all first half yet are just 7 points behind.


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    #75
    Larbre34
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    This is all good, we need to be challenged in games, no point winning 20 odd games on the trot and coming unstuck in the QFs as we haven't had a decent game.


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    #76
    Waesfjord
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    have to wonder why McGrath kicked away possession at the very start of that phase of play by Lyons as they had the extra man?


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    #77
    awec
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    Ross Byrne has not been good.


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    #78
    Faugheen
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    Dave for Ireland


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    #79
    mangobob
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    Neil3030 wrote: »
    TMO has an exponentially better viewpoint. Ref trusted him to have made the correct call. More should do this.

    Hardly exponentially. He could not show anything to the ref to back up what he was saying. Even his rationale was puzzling - didnt "actually" go forward but "would have".

    Ref is the final authority. Its up to him, not the TMO to make the call. In this case ref could not see it and neither could could the linesman watching beside him even after multiple replays. Just a bizarre call imo.

    On another note, I dont think I have ever seen a scoreline that less reflects whats happening on the field.


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    #80
    Neil3030
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    Larbre34 wrote: »
    He took quite a bit of convincing, which is not credible as a system.

    If the TMO makes a wrong call, and lets be clear here, he was judging the Fardy handling on the ground, not Tracy, the Ref carries the can in the post match review as senior official.

    If the Refs instinct is to overrule the TMO, then he should retain the right to do so.

    And all too often the TMOs initially argue against the referee but back down.


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    #81
    RobbieRuns
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    Ross Byrne ,,,,,, weak link in the juggernaut


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    #82
    Hurrache
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    I did catch Keith Wood on Newstalk for the beginning of the match and he was complaining about the length of time it took for the TMO to get in touch with the ref over a previous thing he noted, I imagine he was spitting for the knock on interruption.


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    #83
    pickarooney
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    Neil3030 wrote: »
    TMO has an exponentially better viewpoint. Ref trusted him to have made the correct call. More should do this.

    If the tmo is not seeing the exact same thing as the ref and the spectators then what's the point? The TMO system is supposed to be fair and transparent but if it's based on something only one person has access to it completely undermines that.


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    #84
    PhlegmyMoses
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    Weird game for Leinster. Could easily be 3 or 4 more tries to the good but look a bit ropey in defence.


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    #85
    Neil3030
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    mangobob wrote: »
    Hardly exponentially. He could not show anything to the ref to back up what he was saying. Even his rationale was puzzling - didnt "actually" go forward but "would have".

    Ref is the final authority. Its up to him, not the TMO to make the call. In this case ref could not see it and neither could could the linesman watching beside him even after multiple replays. Just a bizarre call imo.

    On another note, I dont think I have ever seen a scoreline that less reflects whats happening on the field.

    Why are people saying the TMO made the call?

    Whitehouse asked him if he was sure, trusted this, and made the final call.

    Decision before ego, good refereeing.


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    #86
    mangobob
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    Neil3030 wrote: »
    And all too often the TMOs initially argue against the referee but back down.

    Not to labour the point, but they dont "back down" because its not their job to "stand up" to the ref in the first place. Their job is simply to bring the evidence to the refs attention and he makes the final decision because he is the sole authority on the field. Its a pretty simple chain of command.


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    #87
    Squidgy Black
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    This should have been put away by the 20th minute, I'd imagine Leo and Stu will be fuming to go into half time with only 7 between the two teams.

    Really need to come flying out of the blocks at kick off and get the next points on the board.


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    #88
    pickarooney
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    Neil3030 wrote: »
    Why are people saying the TMO made the call?

    Whitehouse asked him if he was sure, trusted this, and made the final call.

    Decision before ego, good refereeing.

    Come off it. That's like if you want chicken and your wife tells you you're having fish and you pretended you never actually wanted chicken.


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    #89
    RobbieRuns
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    Leinster should be 40 points ahead at half time. Won’t lose or anything but against better opponents those mistakes would be punished.


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    #90
    Clegg
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    Lyon are still down a man. Leinster need to start the second half as fast as they did the first. Get an early score and out the game to bed.


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    #91
    Neil3030
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    pickarooney wrote: »
    If the tmo is not seeing the exact same thing as the ref and the spectators then what's the point? The TMO system is supposed to be fair and transparent but if it's based on something only one person has access to it completely undermines that.

    Haven't been to the RDS in a few years. Are they handing out multiple high resolution screens to fans, control over replays from multiple angles and the ability to shield crowd noise to aid concentration? Wow, serious advances in gameday experience there.


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