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New NOx VRT levy

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  • #182
    colm_mcm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,327 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    There’s plenty diesel cars the same year as mine with way lower nox to be fair.
    Kills the early 2015 and older market though.


  • #183
    garv123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,577 ✭✭✭garv123


    Is this just for private vehicles or commercials too? anything I read didnt specify?


  • #184
    scoopdog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21 ✭scoopdog


    colm_mcm wrote: »
    There’s plenty diesel cars the same year as mine with way lower nox to be fair.
    Kills the early 2015 and older market though.

    Absolutely, the newer the better of course, but for ex. on the revenue VRT calculator a Toyota Hilux 2.4 (commercial) €340. A Toyota Hilux Surf (not a commercial same engine €4500 , same Nox output ?? where's the sense.

    I get that diesels are now a curse, especially since the VW scandal, but if the current government think that banishing diesels with a population of 3 million people is going to save the planet, man were all doomed. 250 million of our neighbors certainly not getting this hammered.

    Hybrid cars in Germany right now , 8% of the total car volume, they dont give a hoot about pollution, lets be honest about it


  • #185
    RedorDead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,507 ✭✭✭RedorDead


    Villain wrote: »
    The Revenue VRT page does have more info now with a spreadsheet giving lots of models costs https://revenue.ie/en/importing-vehicles-duty-free-allowances/guide-to-vrt/calculating-vrt/calculating-the-nox-charge.aspx

    Also the Cartell.ie free query shows it now but I actually think a lot of people will end up the like OP's friend and just use the VRT Calculator along with sterling conversion and think that is the figure.

    If Cartell can implement it you would wonder why Revenue can't do it quicker.

    Good news is less imports of dirty diesels from now on and another interesting point is I wonder how it will impact re-sale values of older diesels here?

    :D Public sector vs Private sector is all you need to know there!


  • #186
    znv6i3h7kqf9ys
    Closed Accounts Posts: 497 ✭✭znv6i3h7kqf9ys


    Dogg Munde wrote: »
    Your friend, I mean you, should have informed yourself of the process. There's no one to to blame here but you. You're a fully grown adult, you don't need anyone to hold your hand anymore.



    Everyone except yourself.
    Wow seriously? I'd have no issue with sharing that story if it was mine but sorry to disappoint, it's not. I pointed a mate in that direction because I imported a merc last year. I'm curious about the paranoid assumption though. What's it based on? You sound really convinced. I do have friends. Sounds a lot like mirrored projection to me.


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  • #187
    znv6i3h7kqf9ys
    Closed Accounts Posts: 497 ✭✭znv6i3h7kqf9ys


    scoopdog wrote: »
    ill give you a laugh, i went into the revenue website, im looking at bringing a jeep in from japan, the revenue excel spreadsheet that you download doesn't even have the model, and they've basically slammed anything above a certain nox level particularly diesels into a box that's so expensive its not worth the pain.

    Revenue never researched this you can bet some idiot from the Green party ran into them last june and threw this on there desk :)

    That is funny but not at all surprising. I'd say more than likely it was some motor association lobby group though. It's in their interest


  • #188
    emeldc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,596 ✭✭✭emeldc


    Les Paul wrote: »
    That is funny but not at all surprising. I'd say more than likely it was some motor association lobby group though. It's in their interest
    Was it not motor dealers including main dealers that were importing the vast majority of used cars?


  • #189
    znv6i3h7kqf9ys
    Closed Accounts Posts: 497 ✭✭znv6i3h7kqf9ys


    emeldc wrote: »
    Was it not motor dealers including main dealers that were importing the vast majority of used cars?
    Yeah I believe you are right. It was still cheaper for an individual to import though. That's been cut out now which reduces consumer options and gives them a monopoly. Irish cars couldn't compete on price but now they can.


  • #190
    richardsheil
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 677 ✭✭✭richardsheil


    It hasn't of course, all you have to do is pick a low NOX car which is the purpose of the tax, after all.


  • #191
    znv6i3h7kqf9ys
    Closed Accounts Posts: 497 ✭✭znv6i3h7kqf9ys


    richardsheil wrote: »
    It hasn't of course, all you have to do is pick a low NOX car which is the purpose of the tax, after all.

    This is very true and also in line with government policy. It's actually quite a clever way of reducing diesel cars by 2030. How they went about it wasn't good in regards to the vrt website


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  • #192
    Dave147
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,235 ✭✭✭Dave147


    Truckermal wrote: »
    Why are you so upset about it when it's not costing you?

    and herein lies the reason this country is the way it is. Sit back and take the rogering the government are giving us, every ****ing thread on here you have your usual brigade up on their high horses defending every last corrupt tax there is. I'm upset about it and I've no intention of importing a car in the near future, they are trying to promote electric vehicles and look at the state of the infrastructure ffs. Ah I dunno why I even bother.


  • #193
    colm_mcm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,327 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    Nox charge has very little to do with promoting electric vehicles, and has little or no impact on new diesels, nearly new (under 5 year old) diesels, or petrol cars.


  • #194
    CtrlAltDelete
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 424 ✭✭CtrlAltDelete


    Dave147 wrote: »
    and herein lies the reason this country is the way it is. Sit back and take the rogering the government are giving us, every ****ing thread on here you have your usual brigade up on their high horses defending every last corrupt tax there is. I'm upset about it and I've no intention of importing a car in the near future, they are trying to promote electric vehicles and look at the state of the infrastructure ffs. Ah I dunno why I even bother.

    Spot on.


  • #195
    CtrlAltDelete
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 424 ✭✭CtrlAltDelete


    Good ole Ireland.. gona change the worlds problems by railing its own people with taxation everywhere they turn.. Wana really sort it out..? Revert to this thread

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057975838&page=16

    And stop buying new cars entirely. Even for just 2 months...


  • #196
    Philb76
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 550 ✭✭✭Philb76


    astrofool wrote: »
    If you're going to the complication of importing a car, then surely you have the brain cells to double check the tax situation first. Your "friend" sounds like he was going for a bargain, didn't get one, and now blaming the system rather than himself.

    Is that not why most people import from the UK or is it for the nicer paint colour


  • #197
    markpb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,442 ✭✭✭markpb


    CtrlAltDelete wrote: »
    Good ole Ireland.. gona change the worlds problems by railing its own people with taxation everywhere they turn.. Wana really sort it out..? Revert to this thread

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057975838&page=16

    And stop buying new cars entirely. Even for just 2 months...

    I think you’re missing the point. The new tax is on NoX gases which are produced by the engine and emitted into the air in Ireland. Reducing the number of them in Ireland is a good thing for people breathing air here.

    The production of new cars emits large amounts of Co2 which are bad for the world as a whole.


  • #198
    landmarkjohn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 721 ✭✭✭landmarkjohn


    Thanks OP. I read a bit about NOx and was under the impression it would add €100-300 on an import.

    I did not know it could add thousands!


  • #199
    CtrlAltDelete
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 424 ✭✭CtrlAltDelete


    markpb wrote: »
    I think you’re missing the point. The new tax is on NoX gases which are produced by the engine and emitted into the air in Ireland. Reducing the number of them in Ireland is a good thing for people breathing air here.

    The production of new cars emits large amounts of Co2 which are bad for the world as a whole.

    Don't worry... I'm not missing the point.. it's just another tax to help curtail imports..

    When the public transport, trucks etc change I will take notice. I'm happy to scream around in my 3 litre diesel for long enough !


  • #200
    znv6i3h7kqf9ys
    Closed Accounts Posts: 497 ✭✭znv6i3h7kqf9ys


    landmarkjohn wrote: »
    Thanks OP. I read a bit about NOx and was under the impression it would add €100-300 on an import.

    I did not know it could add thousands!

    400% increase in comparison to the previous 1% levy in many cases


  • #201
    Widdensushi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,906 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    Dave147 wrote: »
    and herein lies the reason this country is the way it is. Sit back and take the rogering the government are giving us, every ****ing thread on here you have your usual brigade up on their high horses defending every last corrupt tax there is. I'm upset about it and I've no intention of importing a car in the near future, they are trying to promote electric vehicles and look at the state of the infrastructure ffs. Ah I dunno why I even bother.

    I think this tax is to help the car dealers in Ireland. They have been lobbying against the influx of imports for years and this makes it a less attractive option for many


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  • #202
    znv6i3h7kqf9ys
    Closed Accounts Posts: 497 ✭✭znv6i3h7kqf9ys


    Widdensushi wrote: »
    I think this tax is to help the car dealers in Ireland. They have been lobbying against the influx of imports for years and this makes it a less attractive option for many

    76% of used imports from the UK up to now were diesel. These are the affected cars. A 4 - 500% increase from the previous tax has been imposed. Pretty brutal change.


  • #203
    CtrlAltDelete
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 424 ✭✭CtrlAltDelete


    Les Paul wrote: »
    76% of used imports from the UK up to now were diesel. These are the affected cars. A 4 - 500% increase from the previous tax has been imposed. Pretty brutal change.



    Agreed. Look, at the end of the day you've to ask the simple question of "why is everyone here driving diesels in the first place?".. trust me. It's not because they like the smell of it.. it's because they are being oppressed & just looking for the most cost effective way to get their minion duties completed.

    If we as a nation want anything to change people must use their vote.. on anyone other than FG/FF because they are all the one.. anyone would be better than them. But it won't happen and people will continue to moan while the neoliberals they just voted back in continue to pillage them 🙂


  • #204
    wetoutside19
    Closed Accounts Posts: 56 ✭✭wetoutside19


    CtrlAltDelete wrote: »
    Agreed. Look, at the end of the day you've to ask the simple question of "why is everyone here driving diesels in the first place?".. trust me. It's not because they like the smell of it.. it's because they are being oppressed & just looking for the most cost effective way to get their minion duties completed.

    If we as a nation want anything to change people must use their vote.. on anyone other than FG/FF because they are all the one.. anyone would be better than them. But it won't happen and people will continue to moan while the neoliberals they just voted back in continue to pillage them 🙂

    You have a simple view of life.

    Will this new government if yours plant money trees to run the country?


  • #205
    CtrlAltDelete
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 424 ✭✭CtrlAltDelete


    wetoutside19 wrote: »
    You have a simple view of life.

    Will this new government if yours plant money trees to run the country?

    I have indeed thankfully.

    And no they won't.. but anything would be better than what's there.. won't happen though so you're safe enough.. off now and pay all your taxes 🙂


  • #206
    wetoutside19
    Closed Accounts Posts: 56 ✭✭wetoutside19


    CtrlAltDelete wrote: »
    I have indeed thankfully.

    And no they won't.. but anything would be better than what's there.. won't happen though so you're safe enough.. off now and pay all your taxes 🙂

    Ah your one of those internet whiners (very clear from your contributions to this thread). Offer no alternatives and does nothing away from your keyboard


  • #207
    CtrlAltDelete
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 424 ✭✭CtrlAltDelete


    Very negative reply there.. you need to take a more positive approach to life. If you're not too busy paying tax or avoiding paying it..

    Now, I'm off out to work to pay mine.

    Enjoy your SugarPuffs !


  • #208
    commited
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,274 ✭✭✭commited


    Cartell reg thing is very handy but I wouldn't rely on it 100%, I looked up a couple of cars and its definitely not accurate for them.


  • #209
    Toyotafanboi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,903 ✭✭✭✭Toyotafanboi


    Widdensushi wrote: »
    I think this tax is to help the car dealers in Ireland. They have been lobbying against the influx of imports for years and this makes it a less attractive option for many

    Would these be the same dealers who have been selling forecourts of ex UK stock? Have they fone a reversal now?


  • #210
    Philb76
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 550 ✭✭✭Philb76


    commited wrote: »
    Cartell reg thing is very handy but I wouldn't rely on it 100%, I looked up a couple of cars and its definitely not accurate for them.

    I put the reg of a 2016 Passat into the cartell site 2litre tdi and it's saying 450 euro box charge if that is correct could live with that but I'm hearing figures of thousands on this forum


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  • #211
    mgn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,898 ✭✭✭mgn


    Philb76 wrote: »
    I put the reg of a 2016 Passat into the cartell site 2litre tdi and it's saying 450 euro box charge if that is correct could live with that but I'm hearing figures of thousands on this forum

    You will be okay on a 2016 car, it's the older models that will be hit.


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