Star Trek: Picard - Amazon Prime [ POSSIBLE SPOILERS ]

ExoPolitic · 10-01-2020 12:52AM

Burty330 wrote: »

Will not watch.

Can't be stuck in the past forever! They're not going to make a show designed for TV in the 80's/90's in the 2020's... Enjoy your re-runs!

BornIn84 · 10-01-2020 12:53AM

if it's anything like Discovery, which is not a star trek show at all, I won't be watching.

Burty330 · 10-01-2020 12:56AM

ExoPolitic wrote: »

Can't be stuck in the past forever! They're not going to make a show designed for TV in the 80's/90's in the 2020's... Enjoy your re-runs!

Actually TNG gets better on repeat viewings , so yes i will and yes i do!

This new incarnation is not real Star Trek as the guy in the video details with irrefutable descriptions.

jhegarty · 10-01-2020 01:03AM

Spear wrote: »

Yes, and while I don't want to spoil anything, I will at least say that it doesn't really reveal anything about Picard, as it's light on details.

It's well worth a watch.

ExoPolitic · 10-01-2020 01:07AM

Burty330 wrote: »

Actually TNG gets better on repeat viewings , so yes i will and yes i do!

This new incarnation is not real Star Trek as the guy in the video details with irrefutable descriptions.

TNG wasn't real Star Trek to TOS fans. Infact anything after the series which you started watching Star Trek "isn't real Star Trek"... so I guess it is circumstantial?

ExoPolitic · 10-01-2020 01:09AM

BornIn84 wrote: »

if it's anything like Discovery, which is not a star trek show at all, I won't be watching.

Of course it won't be! it's the 2020's now you know? They won't make a show based on techniques from 30 years ago...

Burty330 · 10-01-2020 01:09AM

ExoPolitic wrote: »

TNG wasn't real Star Trek to TOS fans. Infact anything after the series which you started watching Star Trek "isn't real Star Trek"... so I guess it is circumstantial?

TNG created "Trekies" so yes it was and yes it is!!

Burty330 · 10-01-2020 01:11AM

ExoPolitic wrote: »

Of course it won't be! it's the 2020's now you know? They won't make a show based on techniques from 30 years ago...

TNG was ahead of its time.

Burty330 · 10-01-2020 01:16AM

Quality of this standard just can't be re-produced. The writing , the acting , the philosophy.. Superb!

BornIn84 · 10-01-2020 01:20AM

Burty330 wrote: »

Quality of this standard just can't be re-produced. The writing , the acting , the philosophy.. Superb!

exactly. new trek (discovery) is bland action with no heart or doesnt explore any themes..
TNG was ahead of its time in that way

nyarlothothep · 10-01-2020 01:34AM

BornIn84 wrote: »

if it's anything like Discovery, which is not a star trek show at all, I won't be watching.

STD is an abomination of a show, it has everything that puts me off modern movies, all spectacle, crap character development, characters I don't care about, laboured and obvious exposition of the main themes, it's just utterly awful and I will never watch another episode of that abomination again, even Voyager is better than STD and that's really saying something. It's terrible that TV is being infiltrated by the same type of garbage that dominates cinemas.

pixelburp · 10-01-2020 09:58AM

I like Discovery, and I like TNG, both for different and often non-overlapping reasons. The former show has its problems, mostly manifest in an absolute disaster zone of a production history during the first two seasons (sound familiar?), but I've enjoyed it on its own terms. TNG was OK, but its worst episodes are arguably some of the worst of Trek period, so it was as variable to watch as the newest show. No question it was great at its height, but those Sub Rosa lows were pretty deep!

DS9 is my jam; not immune to bad episodes either, but Trek at its most confident, mature and consistently intriguing and brilliant. I read in passing that Picard is more a sequel to DS9 in tone than TNG, and that's absolutely fine with me.

Stark · 10-01-2020 10:04AM

Burty330 wrote: »

Will not watch.

Neither will I. 18 minutes of drivel from a guy in a crappy mask? ****ing hell.

Though I did fast forward to a couple of bits out of curiosity. Has he even seen STP yet? Doesn't sound like he has. He sounds like another internet virgin having a go at a show because it has an ethnic character or passes the Bechdel test or whatever.

pixelburp · 10-01-2020 10:10AM

YouTube is flooded with anaemic Hot Take artists, who rant & rave in front of a camera based on the slimmest of rumours (and when they don't have rumours, they'll often just invent "sources"), taking advantage of the premise that negatively skewed content seems to attract more viewers than positive content - which in of itself is a depressing thought.

Betteridge's law of headlines still applies even in the YouTube era, maybe adding that caveat that if it also includes an exclamation mark in its headline, it's probably bullshít too.

Burty330 · 10-01-2020 10:43AM

Stark wrote: »

Neither will I. 18 minutes of drivel from a guy in a crappy mask? ****ing hell.

Though I did fast forward to a couple of bits out of curiosity. Has he even seen STP yet? Doesn't sound like he has. He sounds like another internet virgin having a go at a show because it has an ethnic character or passes the Bechdel test or whatever.

oh look ^ the i don't agree with somebody so he must be a virgin or a racist argument...fkn pathetic.

pixelburp · 10-01-2020 10:56AM

Watched a little of the video for fairness to the poster, and yeah, it's drivel. Huge cognitive leaps and rants from someone who - like the rest of us - HASN'T SEEN A SINGLE EPISODE. Not that it has stopped 18 minutes of puffery and blatant hurling from the ditch.

"I know for a fact that Star Trek Picard, or STP as I like to call it, is DOA (Dead on Arrival)"

Haha. Quick, close the thread, "Overlord DVD" has facts on his side.

Goodshape · 10-01-2020 11:49AM

Ah, good, we've started into the bitter arguments about whether the show is good or not before anyone has seen the show! Par for the course these days I suppose.

Going to unsubscribe from this thread now until it's actually released anyway.

Really enjoyed that new Short Trek though!

silverharp · 10-01-2020 11:58AM

Is it going to come down to if you like STD you will like this show, if you think STD is trash , this show will be similar?

Stark · 10-01-2020 12:00PM

No-one has seen it yet so no-one can answer.

pixelburp · 10-01-2020 12:00PM

silverharp wrote: »

Is it going to come down to if you like STD you will like this show, if you think STD is trash , this show will be similar?

Only for those approaching the show with preconceptions or minds already made up. Not a single episode has been aired so any strong opinions at this stage border on arrogance TBH.

Picard has an entirely different production team, writers, producers etc. so to compare it & Discovery is pure folly. There will always be the purists who'll hate on anything that tries to innovate or tell new stories and yeah, some will decide this is TV cancer because it's not simply more TNG stories.

BornIn84 · 10-01-2020 12:01PM

i'm a bit worried it wont be true Trek and will be all spectacle and hollow like STD

An Ri rua · 10-01-2020 12:08PM

Goodshape wrote: »

Ah, good, we've started into the bitter arguments about whether the show is good or not before anyone has seen the show! Par for the course these days I suppose.

Going to unsubscribe from this thread now until it's actually released anyway.

Really enjoyed that new Short Trek though!

I've just found this thread and I'm an avid Star Trek fan. But the sudden change of tone is rotten. Cop yourselves on, you navelgazing ****ehawks. Talk about putting a damper on a hugely anticipated thing!

Burty330 · 10-01-2020 12:51PM

pixelburp wrote: »

Watched a little of the video for fairness to the poster, and yeah, it's drivel. Huge cognitive leaps and rants from someone who - like the rest of us - HASN'T SEEN A SINGLE EPISODE. Not that it has stopped 18 minutes of puffery and blatant hurling from the ditch.

"I know for a fact that Star Trek Picard, or STP as I like to call it, is DOA (Dead on Arrival)"

Haha. Quick, close the thread, "Overlord DVD" has facts on his side.

Whats drivel exactly? You posted a quote from the first 2 mins before Overlord DVD began to reference direct quotes from studio heads, and draw upon a great wealth of knowledge of ST in general to support his opinion.

Its not drivel for the show runners to declare that Picard is not a follow-up to TNG and is different to it in every way , is it?

Its not drivel to note that dropping F bomb just to be edgy , is in direct contradiction to the values of original/real ST , is it?
What exactly is drivel about the factual based comments he made in his video?

Also, since Picard is being produced by the same person/team as Discovery , it would be only fair to have serious doubts about its quality , if you were not a fan of Discovery , as most fans are not.

Netfilx ran their analytical data on Discovery and deemed it a failure ratings wise after only two seasons. Hence why it was moved to Amazon where there is an unlimited flow of Bezos money able to keep it going just for the hell of it.

Is STD was successful . i seriously doubt they would have ran back to Partick Stewart in hopes to gain back the fans.

pixelburp · 10-01-2020 01:01PM

Burty330 wrote: »

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Also, since Picard is being produced by the same person/team as Discovery , it would be only fair to have serious doubts about its quality , if you were not a fan of Discovery , as most fans are not.

Ah don't "One True Scotsman" the conversation and pull this "oh well true fans don't like Discovery".

And the production's showrunner Michael Chabon, whereas Discovery is lead by Michelle Paradise. Yes Alex Kurtzman is in the kingmaker role but the day-to-day running is completely different. The shows are not the same where it counts, and so both should be judged separately.

Once more though: not a SINGLE episode has been aired, so producing 20 minutes videos with an obviously editorialised slant, is .... yes, drivel. Doesn't matter how many quotes the author might selectively pull to push a specific conclusion, they're still ranting about something not one of us in the public has seen.

But then it's clearly obvious some folk are approaching this series with less than an open mind.

Burty330 wrote: »

Netfilx ran their analytical data on Discovery and deemed it a failure ratings wise after only two seasons. Hence why it was moved to Amazon where there is an unlimited flow of Bezos money able to keep it going just for the hell of it.

Considering Netflix keep their ratings completely & famously secret, bar a few communiqués over success stories, I"m absolutely going to ask you to throw forward some actual links talking about this. Netflix don't share their audience data, anyone who says otherwise is lying (unless you know different).

And it's airing on Amazon because AFAIK, CBS wanted to diversify the international rights and not restrict one service to a monopoly. Think what you like about Discovery but there's no way there wasn't a bidding war for a new series about Captain Picard.

Burty330 · 10-01-2020 01:27PM

pixelburp wrote: »

Ah don't "One True Scotsman" the conversation and pull this "oh well true fans don't like Discovery".

And the production's showrunner Michael Chabon, whereas Discovery is lead by Michelle Paradise. Yes Alex Kurtzman is in the kingmaker role but the day-to-day running is completely different. The shows are not the same where it counts, and so both should be judged separately.

Once more though: not a SINGLE episode has been aired, so producing 20 minutes videos with an obviously editorialised slant, is .... yes, drivel. Doesn't matter how many quotes the author might selectively pull to push a specific conclusion, they're still ranting about something not one of us in the public has seen.

But then it's clearly obvious some folk are approaching this series with less than an open mind.

Considering Netflix keep their ratings completely & famously secret, bar a few communiqués over success stories, I"m absolutely going to ask you to throw forward some actual links talking about this. Netflix don't share their audience data, anyone who says otherwise is lying (unless you know different).

And it's airing on Amazon because AFAIK, CBS wanted to diversify the international rights and not restrict one service to a monopoly. Think what you like about Discovery but there's no way there wasn't a bidding war for a new series about Captain Picard.

Considering the unpopularity of Discovery and the massive budget Netflix themselves were funding to make it , it only makes sense that it was no longer financially viable for them to continue to pump money into it.

Shows only gets cancelled for one reason - poor viewership.

No way would Netflix release a property like Star Trek if it was making money.

Furthermore , Picard and STD are restricted to a single service monopoly outside of the US on Amazon Prime, so there is no diversity of international rights.

Also , you might have forgotten that Picard should have already aired by now. Problems in its production and poor test screenings have pushed it back till Jan 2020.
So people can forge a valid enough opinion about the show given all the info thats out there and post about it without having seeing a single episode.

TheValeyard · 10-01-2020 01:34PM

If it were a heap of sh1te, I'm not sure Patrick Stewart would have agreed to come back. He does not need the cash, so some part of the premise must have interested him.

Burty330 · 10-01-2020 01:37PM

TheValeyard wrote: »

If it were a heap of sh1te, I'm not sure Patrick Stewart would have agreed to come back. He does not need the cash, so some part of the premise must have interested him.

Patrick Stewart was just in the new Charlies Angles movie.

Stark · 10-01-2020 01:37PM

Burty330 wrote: »

Considering the unpopularity of Discovery and the massive budget Netflix themselves were funding to make it , it only makes sense that it was no longer financially viable for them to continue to pump money into it.

Shows only gets cancelled for one reason - poor viewership.

No way would Netflix release a property like Star Trek if it was making money.

Furthermore , Picard and STD are restricted to a single service monopoly outside of the US on Amazon Prime, so there is no diversity of international rights.

Also , you might have forgotten that Picard should have already aired by now. Problems in its production and poor test screenings have pushed it back till Jan 2020.
So people can forge a valid enough opinion about the show given all the info thats out there and post about it without having seeing a single episode.

Discovery's been renewed for season 3 on Netflix. This whole post is BS

pixelburp · 10-01-2020 01:39PM

Burty330 wrote: »

Considering the unpopularity of Discovery and the massive budget Netflix themselves were funding to make it , it only makes sense that it was no longer financially viable for them to continue to pump money into it.

Ah, so you don't actually have any facts to back up the claim you know of Netflix's analytical data. I'm not badgering because if you know of it I'm genuinely interested in reading - as would the rest of the internet 'cos their data is famously secret

Burty330 wrote: »

Shows only gets cancelled for one reason - poor viewership.

No way would Netflix release a property like Star Trek if it was making money.

Netflix didn't make Discovery, CBS did. Netflix purchased international broadcast rights, with the generally held belief that they threw some cash CBS's way so they could call it "NetFlix Original". This is common with a lot of these productions. Picard and Discovery are shows made by, and primarily broadcast on, CBS' own streaming service.

Burty330 wrote: »

Furthermore , Picard and STD are restricted to a single service monopoly outside of the US on Amazon Prime, so there is no diversity of international rights.

That's not what you were talking about. You claimed Picard moved to Amazon, when its reckoned the rights were shopped by CBS who wanted to spread the IP across multiple services.

Burty330 wrote: »

Also , you might have forgotten that Picard should have already aired by now. Problems in its production and poor test screenings have pushed it back till Jan 2020.
So people can forge a valid enough opinion about the show given all the info thats out there and post about it without having seeing a single episode.

No, you really can't. You can guess, make suppositions from promotions or official sources, and your opinion is your own, but ultimately trying to make definitive decisions and pronouncements of final quality is impossible. IT's just spitballing based on tattle.

TBH it reads like you've made up your own mind about Picard before an episode has aired. That's your opinion but it's hugely premature

AMKC · 10-01-2020 01:46PM

Burty330 wrote: »

Will not watch.

Its not meant to be anything like TNG or a continuation of TNG either. Maybe someone forget to tell this sad idiot that. I would not waste 1 second of precious time watching someone who clearly has no idea what they are talking about and has not seen the show.
It is 20 years later and times change. It is 26 years later for us in the real world and yes times change. I love TNG but I am also looking forward to ''Picard''. Be great to have him back in Star Trek again and see him on screen again. I for one can't wait.

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