Dublin buses indicating at stops

Scrabbel · 04-01-2020 9:00pm #1

Do any drivers out there find that lots of Dublin Bus drivers flick their right indicator on almost immediately after pulling in to a bus stop? It makes plenty of courteous drivers stop to let them out but results in a hold-up while the people get on board. I’m really getting tired of it now.

Keith186 · 04-01-2020 9:02pm

Scrabbel wrote: »

Do any drivers out there find that lots of Dublin Bus drivers flick their right indicator on almost immediately after pulling in to a bus stop? It makes plenty of courteous drivers stop to let them out but results in a hold-up while the people get on board. I’m really getting tired of it now.

Can't say I've ever seen this happening.

stop · 04-01-2020 9:39pm

Scrabbel wrote: »

Do any drivers out there find that lots of Dublin Bus drivers flick their right indicator on almost immediately after pulling in to a bus stop? It makes plenty of courteous drivers stop to let them out but results in a hold-up while the people get on board. I’m really getting tired of it now.

I was taught GOSH when pulling out.
Gear
Observe (mirror)
Signal
Handbrake

Some Dublin Bus drivers tend to use SGOH.

On balance, even if I'm stuck behind the bus for a few extra seconds it doesn't matter to me, generally more people on the bus, so no harm in letting them stay ahead of traffic.

Better Than Christ · 04-01-2020 9:50pm

Scrabbel wrote: »

It makes plenty of courteous drivers stop to let them out but results in a hold-up while the people get on board.

I flick the indicator as I'm shutting the door. And then I make it very clear that I'm pulling out, whether people are being courteous or not. It didn't take me long in the job to learn that if you're waiting for someone to be courteous, you could be waiting a very long time.

beauf · 04-01-2020 10:19pm

Keith186 wrote: »

Can't say I've ever seen this happening.

I assume you are being sarcastic. You see this a lot. I guess the idea is stop people over taking. But its a ignorant tactic.

Better Than Christ · 04-01-2020 10:51pm

beauf wrote: »

I assume you are being sarcastic. You see this a lot. I guess the idea is stop people over taking. But its a ignorant tactic.

I've seen it, but not that often. I suppose the intent is to let people know that he's not going to be stopped for long. Letting buses out from stops should be mandatory anyway. It's desperately unfair that the progression of up to 90 people should be dictated by the whims of some selfish dick in a private car.

coylemj · 04-01-2020 10:55pm

beauf wrote: »

I assume you are being sarcastic. You see this a lot. I guess the idea is stop people over taking. But its a ignorant tactic.

He's not being sarcastic. I've never seen it happen either.

Bus pulls in to a stop, a passenger who has just boarded starts fumbling with coins, starts a chat with the driver or their card is faulty. Bus stays at the stop with the left indicator flashing. Only when the driver has disengaged with passengers and he's ready to pull out will he switch to the right indicator.

I drive a car and I use buses so I've seen this happen from inside the bus and as the driver behind the bus.

punisher5112 · 04-01-2020 11:00pm

Most of the time it's actually due to a late arriver wanting on and some forget to click it back off....

It happens every so often.

There are a handful that don't indicate much at all and it annoys me too and especially when I'm the bus behind as you don't know what they're doing...

If it's not as above it may well be an older driver as they were so use to A) driving off with the doors open or 2) the door brake is much slower then the previous driven bus....

As soon as the door starts to close I'm already indicating, looking at both mirrors and shoulder check among moving about in some circumstances to see behind the blind spots such as mirror, pillars and other spots you just can't see through.

beauf · 04-01-2020 11:01pm

Better Than Christ wrote: »

I've seen it, but not that often. I suppose the intent is to let people know that he's not going to be stopped for long. Letting buses out from stops should be mandatory anyway. It's desperately unfair that the progression of up to 90 people should be dictated by the whims of some selfish dick in a private car.

What gibberish.

It doesn't block the bus in the slightest. It just blocks EVERYTHING behind him.

Other buses, cyclists everyone.

hurikane · 04-01-2020 11:02pm

Isn’t there something in the rules of the road, that if a bus is indicating to pull out of a stop, you have to let it out?

Wishbone Ash · 04-01-2020 11:03pm

coylemj wrote: »

He's not being sarcastic. I've never seen it happen either.

Bus pulls in to a stop, a passenger who has just boarded starts fumbling with coins, starts a chat with the driver or their card is faulty. Bus stays at the stop with the left indicator flashing. Only when the driver has disengaged with passengers and he's ready to pull out will he switch to the right indicator. ...

I see it a fair bit - sometimes several people still queuing to get on the bus and the driver has the right indicator flashing.

donvito99 · 04-01-2020 11:06pm

Never seen it happen.

What i have seen almost every commuting day is car after car after taxi ignoring buses indicating that they are pulling out making the commute for a majority of Dubliners even longer...

beauf · 04-01-2020 11:08pm

coylemj wrote: »

....Only when the driver has disengaged with passengers and he's ready to pull out will he switch to the right indicator....

Nope. Pulls in often with no left indicator, then indicates right so no one over takes.

beauf · 04-01-2020 11:09pm

donvito99 wrote: »

Never seen it happen.

What i have seen almost every commuting day is car after car after taxi ignoring buses indicating that they are pulling out making the commute for a majority of Dubliners even longer...

I see so you want to derail the thread which is very specific, with a whole load of other issues. Will we make a top 100 list?

bucketybuck · 04-01-2020 11:15pm

I have seen this happen lots of times. Its rather frustrating to stop to allow a bus to pull out and then find yourself sitting there like a plum because it was nowhere near ready.

So now I don't bother letting buses out. Well done lads.

nailer54321 · 04-01-2020 11:16pm

An indicator signals your intent but does not give you the right to just pull out, plenty of people with dash cams now, i am surprised there is not more crashes due to bus drivers putting indicator on and just movng away, i see this happen a lot, bus drivers need to follow the rules of the road also.

HeidiHeidi · 04-01-2020 11:23pm

bucketybuck wrote: »

I have seen this happen lots of times. Its rather frustrating to stop to allow a bus to pull out and then find yourself sitting there like a plum because it was nowhere near ready.

So now I don't bother letting buses out. Well done lads.

This.

I'd always be minded to let a bus pull out (on the basis that I'll more than likely get past it once it pulls in to the next stop) - but having been left sitting behind a flashing right indicator for far longer than necessary on many occasions, I'm much less inclined to do it nowadays, unless I can actually see the bus starting to move.

beauf · 04-01-2020 11:23pm

I wouldn't say it was common. But you'd see it enough to be annoying. Probably the same driver on the same route.

punisher5112 · 04-01-2020 11:30pm

There is no law that you must allow a bus out but the rules of the road asks motorists to allow them out.....

I find very few actually do.

Every day is different and everyone is in a hurry and they see a bus and must get ahead of it....

The amount that race to pass get in front and then turn right but hold us up as they have no clear road to turn.....

If you can't see the driver mirror, then they can't see you....

nailer54321 · 04-01-2020 11:40pm

I have seen cars that were almost past a bus when the driver just starts to pull out into traffic showing total contempt for other road users, i would always let a bus pull away but bus drivers must look before they pull away, ìthere is cameras all aound the buses now which in most cases would work againt a but drive from what i have seen on the roads,

dubrov · 04-01-2020 11:55pm

It is very common with buses going down Amien Street.
Now, unless I see movement, I don't bother waiting anymore.

Better Than Christ · 05-01-2020 12:17am

nailer54321 wrote: »

An indicator signals your intent but does not give you the right to just pull out, plenty of people with dash cams now, i am surprised there is not more crashes due to bus drivers putting indicator on and just movng away, i see this happen a lot, bus drivers need to follow the rules of the road also.

If they didn't do that, they (and more importantly, their passengers) would be heavily delayed... by predominantly single-occupant private cars. It should be mandatory to allow buses to move off. Because of the inadequate design and installation of most bus stops in Ireland, the bus driver's view of traffic approaching from behind is often obscured by the arse-end of his/her own bus. The only way to get a clear view of what's approaching from behind is to straighten the bus - i.e. start pulling out.

There aren't more crashes because bus drivers generally emerge slowly and safely enough to ensure that nobody is taken by surprise. You get the odd drama queen (almost always men in mid-size saloon cars) who take a territorial attitude towards the roads and will accelerate and then slam on while blasting the horn, but most people are sensible and mature enough to realise that it's not a competition and that they don't really 'lose' anything if a bus is in front of them.

bucketybuck · 05-01-2020 12:55am

You know what would encourage people to allow buses to pull back into the flow of traffic?

Not having people feel like idiots because they tried to let out a bus that was indicating right despite not being ready to go.

nailer54321 · 05-01-2020 1:15am

As i said before, an indicator shows your intent to move but does not give you the right to move into oncoming traffic, everyone has to obay the rules of the road, most people will let a bus merge back into traffic but more often than not a bus drive will try force his way back out into traffic eventhough most drivers would let them out, everyone needs to play by the rules of the road

nailer54321 · 05-01-2020 1:18am

Ad by forcing there way back out into traffic they are putting other road users and there passengs in danger, which should be there main priority, not getting to there destiation at any expense

punisher5112 · 05-01-2020 1:35am

I've had cars block me, follow me and intentionally hit the bus to stop me proceeding in a bus lane.....

I'm in a bright yellow bus with passengers onboard.

I've had cars block me in at bus stops.

Some serious head cases out there..

punisher5112 · 05-01-2020 1:37am

nailer54321 wrote: »

Ad by forcing there way back out into traffic they are putting other road users and there passengs in danger, which should be there main priority, not getting to there destiation at any expense

Bit over dramatic to be honest.

If it were formula 1 speeds I'd agree.

A double decker has approximately 210-220 hp.
It weighs over 12ton.... It does not accelerate fast at all, if there was a tip it would 99.9% be superficial damage.

Dravokivich · 05-01-2020 1:39am

It's just as bad being on the opposite side of the ride having to deal with drivers from behind you who overtake and follow like sheep, without observing traffic ahead.

Dravokivich · 05-01-2020 1:40am

nailer54321 wrote: »

Ad by forcing there way back out into traffic they are putting other road users and there passengs in danger, which should be there main priority, not getting to there destiation at any expense

The bus does not lerch out from thick grass out of nowhere. If it's coming out and at risk of hitting you, its becuase you didn't make sure it was safe to overtake.

Midnight_EG · 05-01-2020 1:41am

Every road user should be allowed one chance at pulling a double decker out into traffic and see what really goes on. From the indicator process to actually getting out, they'd be surprised how often the private car is in the wrong

nailer54321 · 05-01-2020 1:54am

Bottom line is all road users have to follow the rules of the road, putting an indicator in and preceding to move is showing told comtempt for other road users, renenber the suze if a bus compared to a car, even at very low speed the bus can do serious damage to a car and driver, both cars and bus have to play there part, if you inducate yiu move when it is safe to move, hust because you drive a large vechical does not entitle you to bully you way out into traffic which seems to be happening on a daily basis.

Wishbone Ash · 05-01-2020 10:17am

nailer54321 wrote: »

Bottom line is all road users have to follow the rules of the road, putting an indicator in and preceding to move is showing told comtempt for other road users, renenber the suze if a bus compared to a car, even at very low speed the bus can do serious damage to a car and driver, both cars and bus have to play there part, if you inducate yiu move when it is safe to move, hust because you drive a large vechical does not entitle you to bully you way out into traffic which seems to be happening on a daily basis.

You're being over dramatic. When I did the driving tests for buses and trucks, it was expected that one would indicate and make a move out to prompt other drivers to give way. You'd loose marks for sitting there watching the world going by.

My comments earlier were in relation to bus drivers indicating out while people are still queuing to get on the bus. I have no problem with a driver easing out into traffic hoping to get a break after the doors are closed.

Del2005 · 05-01-2020 10:42am

Dravokivich wrote: »

The bus does not lerch out from thick grass out of nowhere. If it's coming out and at risk of hitting you, its becuase you didn't make sure it was safe to overtake.

The bus driver is entering a lane that's occupied so they are also in the wrong. But the bus driver is a professional driver so they shouldn't be doing these risky maneuvers, not that it's easy to drive a large vehicle when others are so ignorant/aggressive/stupid

pg633 wrote: »

Put the bus stops in-line with the traffic and this problem would disappear overnight.

Most bus stops already are in the traffic line, people use the other side of the road to overtake them.

punisher5112 · 05-01-2020 12:11pm

Del2005 wrote: »

The bus driver is entering a lane that's occupied so they are also in the wrong. But the bus driver is a professional driver so they shouldn't be doing these risky maneuvers, not that it's easy to drive a large vehicle when others are so ignorant/aggressive/stupid

Most bus stops already are in the traffic line, people use the other side of the road to overtake them.

What?

The bus in most cases is in the lane and fully taking it up, cars come up behind and overtake without indication.

Some slow or stop and as soon as you move out they overtake.....

is_that_so · 05-01-2020 12:17pm

Scrabbel wrote: »

Do any drivers out there find that lots of Dublin Bus drivers flick their right indicator on almost immediately after pulling in to a bus stop? It makes plenty of courteous drivers stop to let them out but results in a hold-up while the people get on board. I’m really getting tired of it now.

Try this instead of venting on the interweb!
https://www.dublinbus.ie/Contact-Us1/Customer-Comment-Form/

boombang · 05-01-2020 12:17pm

Better Than Christ wrote: »

Letting buses out from stops should be mandatory anyway.

I believe it is, but just not widely observed.

tnegun · 05-01-2020 12:24pm

See it a bit as a cyclist in fairness its the exception rather than the rule but some drivers will indicate to pull out as soon as they've pulled into the stop. In fairness the amount of d1cks that pass a bus indicating to pull out is much greater. Isn't there a law about passing a vehicle indicating?

punisher5112 · 05-01-2020 12:26pm

tnegun wrote: »

See it a bit as a cyclist in fairness its the exception rather than the rule but some drivers will indicate to pull out as soon as they've pulled into the stop. In fairness the amount of d1cks that pass a bus indicating to pull out is much greater. Isn't there a law about passing a vehicle indicating?

Well if a vehicle is turning left or right you must not pass that includes cyclists.

Del2005 · 05-01-2020 12:46pm

punisher5112 wrote: »

What?

The bus in most cases is in the lane and fully taking it up, cars come up behind and overtake without indication.

Some slow or stop and as soon as you move out they overtake.....

Just because the other driver is performing an illegal overtake it doesn't mean that you can do another illegal move and pull into them.

punisher5112 · 05-01-2020 1:35pm

Del2005 wrote: »

Just because the other driver is performing an illegal overtake it doesn't mean that you can do another illegal move and pull into them.

Where did I say I do?

If a car slows or is stopped do you want me to wait for the other 20 to pass before I get out....

Very few actually allow buses out....

donvito99 · 05-01-2020 1:43pm

punisher5112 wrote: »

Where did I say I do?

If a car slows or is stopped do you want me to wait for the other 20 to pass before I get out....

Very few actually allow buses out....

This is the thing. It is necessary to pull some of the maneuvers complained of in this thread if the bus wants to make any sort of progress whatsoever.

I like watching the ballet where two buses arrive at a stop and the second one pulls out to stop traffic so as to allow the first to drive off unmolested by cars. Poetry in motion.

Xterminator · 05-01-2020 2:02pm

as we are talking it appears about Dublin bus, how many drivers are in the bus lane in the 1st place?

i have never seen a bus driver indicate to pull out as soon as he turned in, i have seen driver indicate to pull out, when a passengers leap card has no credit on it, or another person barrels up to the bus stop to jump on, and many other delays.

I guess the motorist who doesnt get on the bus often would think any delay is the driver being discourteous but if they were more familiar with bus journeys they would realise the many things that can occur to delay the driver pulling out - that can have many reasons.

Now if we were to discuss how often the cars are traveling in the bus lane in the 1s place, then I have never completed a journey into town without seeing a car drive in the bus lane.

punisher5112 · 05-01-2020 2:54pm

Guy in a Passat got the whole way into the city one morning from top of Malahide road, was a very bad day for traffic but he got in the way and was in front the whole time.....

Was lovely when he thought he would pull a smart one as a Garda car was at a red light so 2 cars back he flicked back into lane after driving all the way with the left indicator on....

Pulled up beside cops pointed out what he was at and they said they had seen him pulling out but didn't obviously know he went all the way....

They pulled in just behind me, let him pass and pulled him in.... Was delightful to see.

Everyone he passed then passed him and I'm sure we're laughing as I was....

punisher5112 · 05-01-2020 2:56pm

donvito99 wrote: »

This is the thing. It is necessary to pull some of the maneuvers complained of in this thread if the bus wants to make any sort of progress whatsoever.

I like watching the ballet where two buses arrive at a stop and the second one pulls out to stop traffic so as to allow the first to drive off unmolested by cars. Poetry in motion.

I do not do it any way it's dangerous or to pi#s others off but it's a must to get out...

Sure I've actually had a few collisions where actually stopped at a stop where cars have hit the rear or the side....

dashcamdanny · 07-01-2020 3:23pm

donvito99 wrote: »

This is the thing. It is necessary to pull some of the maneuvers complained of in this thread if the bus wants to make any sort of progress whatsoever.

I like watching the ballet where two buses arrive at a stop and the second one pulls out to stop traffic so as to allow the first to drive off unmolested by cars. Poetry in motion.

Very true. We look after each other . Nothing illegal about it.

The whole issue of getting out into traffic is a none issue for bus drivers in slow city traffic.

We are trained to slowly move out till we have possession of the lane. In static or slow moving traffic. Safely.
As we take up the whole width of the lane anyway, its the priority of the car or cycle to overtake or stop safely if behind and withing a safe breaking distance. If we are moving out and indicating, its hardly safe to overtake.

Rules of the road states you should let an indicating bus back into the flow of traffic. In my opinion, the "should" should be changed to "must".

nailer54321 · 07-01-2020 3:59pm

The problem i see on a daily basis is a bus will attempt to pull out even when a car is half way past it, in tbat case bus driver is in the wrong, As for cars driving in bus lanes, in most cases from 7pm to 7am cars are allowed to drive in bus lanes, people do not read signs anymore and are conditioned to stay out of bus lanes even at these times when tbey are allowed to drive in them. I think we would all agree driving a bus around Dublin is a very stressful job so just remind yourself of this the next time you seea a bus trying to reenter trafic and allow tbem out.Hats off to most bus drivers.

Midnight_EG · 07-01-2020 4:30pm

nailer54321 wrote: »

The problem i see on a daily basis is a bus will attempt to pull out even when a car is half way past it, in tbat case bus driver is in the wrong, As for cars driving in bus lanes, in most cases from 7pm to 7am cars are allowed to drive in bus lanes, people do not read signs anymore and are conditioned to stay out of bus lanes even at these times when tbey are allowed to drive in them. I think we would all agree driving a bus around Dublin is a very stressful job so just remind yourself of this the next time you seea a bus trying to reenter trafic and allow tbem out.Hats off to most bus drivers.

The attempt to pull out halfway in front of a car can be very misconstrued due to the way the bus reacts to throttle. In the newer SG type busses, if you plant throttle it takes the guts of two seconds to actually give any power so while that's happening you're already inputting steering angle to get out and it looks like the driver is wanton but in reality they aren't. By the time that car has then passed, the bus has enough power to get going. It's a fine line tbh and it's much less of a problem from the drivers seat of the bus in the way events fold out.

suicide_circus · 08-01-2020 7:19am

If i'm behind a bus at a stop i presume its just about to pull out indicator or not

Beersmith · 08-01-2020 7:29am

Why do so many posters keep mentioning cars shouldn't be in bus lanes etc.
1. Lots of bus routes (or sections of routes) are not on bus lanes
2. Bus lanes are not always in operation

I have seen this indication issue and it is a pain that aa a driver you are not sure if you can overtake or not (again think of the case of single lane) or as a cyclist.

The behaviour is more obvious as a cyclist.

Xterminator · 08-01-2020 10:02am

well i mentioned it because i was comparing the frequency of say a bus indicating to pull out when he pulls in, to the frequency of a car dring down the bus lane (when not permitted to do so).

I also mentioned various reasons why after a bus indicates he could be delayed in pulling out. I can understand why another road user might 'assume' the bus indicated early, i would be willing to bet 9 times out of ten (at least) it is because of an unforeseen event like a passenger with insufficient credit, or someone getting off the bus late etc.

i would have thought that if in doubt, be courteous would be a good way to conduct your driving regardless if you drive a bus or a car (or a bicycle).

As an occasional cyclist myself, i am conscious of what the likely result of a collision is, who will come off worse if there is one, and luckily i do not suffer from achromatopsia as many of my co-cyclists seem to.

tnegun · 08-01-2020 10:27am

suicide_circus wrote: »

If i'm behind a bus at a stop i presume its just about to pull out indicator or not

Do you just anticipate it or stop because it might?

Dublin buses indicating at stops

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