Just got fired

Emilee · 04-01-2020 6:52pm #1

I only started working for this company 13 weeks ago, called in sick once, then another time cause of car issues.
Fast forward a week while working I get a disciplinary letter to attend a meeting which the letter is VERY official. No issues with performance! Just that I didn’t follow proper procedures when calling in sick, nor was i givin any policy or procedure in which to do so when I started my employment. Now I’m fired, my employer stated to me that he could not depend on me. There were reasons beyond my control when I called in to say I would not be in, Which I told him I was being treated very unfairly. I need advice please

Iscreamkone · 04-01-2020 6:54pm

Emilee wrote: »

I only started working for this company 13 weeks ago, called in sick once, then another time cause of car issues.
Fast forward a week while working I get a disciplinary letter to attend a meeting which the letter is VERY official. No issues with performance! Just that I didn’t follow proper procedures when calling in sick, nor was i givin any policy or procedure in which to do so when I started my employment. Now I’m fired, my employer stated to me that he could not depend on me. There were reasons beyond my control when I called in to say I would not be in, Which I told him I was being treated very unfairly. I need advice please

After only 13 weeks you can be let go for any reason. Sorry

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 · 04-01-2020 6:56pm

Probation period.

You can be let go for any reason.

punisher5112 · 04-01-2020 6:56pm

Emilee wrote: »

I only started working for this company 13 weeks ago, called in sick once, then another time cause of car issues.
Fast forward a week while working I get a disciplinary letter to attend a meeting which the letter is VERY official. No issues with performance! Just that I didn’t follow proper procedures when calling in sick, nor was i givin any policy or procedure in which to do so when I started my employment. Now I’m fired, my employer stated to me that he could not depend on me. There were reasons beyond my control when I called in to say I would not be in, Which I told him I was being treated very unfairly. I need advice please

Nothing you can do unless it's about gender, sexualities, ethnicities etc etc.

You were most likely on a 12 month probation sometimes even more....

Suck it up move on.

Obviously people get sick and things happen but they're not interested and as he said they couldn't depend on you.

You need to show at least for that 1st year that you attend each and every day.

Car issues, get a taxi or a bus or a mate to drive.... It's part of it.

jackboy · 04-01-2020 6:59pm

Emilee wrote: »

I only started working for this company 13 weeks ago, called in sick once, then another time cause of car issues.
Fast forward a week while working I get a disciplinary letter to attend a meeting which the letter is VERY official. No issues with performance! Just that I didn’t follow proper procedures when calling in sick, nor was i givin any policy or procedure in which to do so when I started my employment. Now I’m fired, my employer stated to me that he could not depend on me. There were reasons beyond my control when I called in to say I would not be in, Which I told him I was being treated very unfairly. I need advice please

Bit much to give you a hard time about one sick day in three months. The car thing though, did you turn up late that day? or not at all?

Plumbthedepths · 04-01-2020 7:02pm

Start searching for another job. You were let go within the probation period nothing to challenge.

AndyBoBandy · 04-01-2020 7:05pm

2 days taken off for separate reasons within the 1st 3 months....

They probably see it as a sign of things to come, and it just not being worth their hassle.

_Brian · 04-01-2020 7:11pm

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

2 days taken off for separate reasons within the 1st 3 months....

They probably see it as a sign of things to come, and it just not being worth their hassle.

This.

Emilee · 04-01-2020 7:19pm

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Start searching for another job. You were let go within the probation period nothing to challenge.

No contract no information given on probation
I was just told you’re hired when I started

jaxxx · 04-01-2020 7:22pm

13 weeks. Assuming 5 day working weeks, that's 65 days. One day fully off due to illness. One day late cos of problems with the car. Taking the OP at their word, both things were unavoidable. Seems businesses just don't care for the 'human' in human resources anymore. Obviously some people take the mick altogether puling sickies left right and centre, but assuming the OP is sincere I just think it's a sad reflection on the world, just 2 days of a 65 day period.

"Johnny why weren't you at work today?"

"Oh it wasn't my fault, I was crossing the road at a zebra crossing, a bus decided to ignore it and flattened me. I broke 7 ribs, had a punctured lung but here I am 2 days later".

"Unacceptable, you're fired!"

Emilee · 04-01-2020 7:26pm

jaxxx wrote: »

13 weeks. Assuming 5 day working weeks, that's 65 days. One day fully off due to illness. One day late cos of problems with the car. Taking the OP at their word, both things were unavoidable. Seems businesses just don't care for the 'human' in human resources anymore. Obviously some people take the mick altogether puling sickies left right and centre, but assuming the OP is sincere I just think it's a sad reflection on the world, just 2 days of a 65 day period.

"Johnny why weren't you at work today?"

"Oh it wasn't my fault, I was crossing the road at a zebra crossing, a bus decided to ignore it and flattened me. I broke 7 ribs, had a punctured lung but here I am 2 days later".

"Unacceptable, you're fired!"

Sarcasm at it’s finest thanks!!
So what I really should of told them was the truth??
My 14 yo daughter tried to take her own life!!
Yeah that’s sounds really good don’t ya think!! Thanks for your input

04-01-2020 7:43pm

jaxxx wrote: »

13 weeks. Assuming 5 day working weeks, that's 65 days. One day fully off due to illness. One day late cos of problems with the car. Taking the OP at their word, both things were unavoidable. Seems businesses just don't care for the 'human' in human resources anymore. Obviously some people take the mick altogether puling sickies left right and centre, but assuming the OP is sincere I just think it's a sad reflection on the world, just 2 days of a 65 day period.

"Johnny why weren't you at work today?"

"Oh it wasn't my fault, I was crossing the road at a zebra crossing, a bus decided to ignore it and flattened me. I broke 7 ribs, had a punctured lung but here I am 2 days later".

"Unacceptable, you're fired!"

You really need to understand a one sided story, you certainly can't put on the sack cloth an ashes and bemoan humanity on the basis of one.

BorneTobyWilde · 04-01-2020 7:54pm

Can you work on disability allowance

bluess99 · 04-01-2020 8:04pm

I'd pop into Citzen Advice on Monday morning to check your full rights.

Sounds alot like a similar situation I heard recently in a call center.

I'd name and shame as too many employers sacking people before probation period is up.

Emilee · 04-01-2020 8:05pm

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Can you work on disability allowance

Yes 19 hours,

zenith · 04-01-2020 8:05pm

Emilee wrote: »

Sarcasm at it’s finest thanks!!
So what I really should of told them was the truth??
My 14 yo daughter tried to take her own life!!
Yeah that’s sounds really good don’t ya think!! Thanks for your input

Jaxxx was being sympathetic; as am I. I know you might not feel it now, and have bills to pay, but there are better, kinder companies out there.

To try to help: you should not have called in sick with your situation but force majure leave would have been more appropriate. I understand the sensitivity around your situation but parental rights are *rights*, whereas sick leave and associated payments are benefits. I don't know how you might fix the situation now though.

Plumbthedepths · 04-01-2020 8:05pm

Emilee wrote: »

No contract no information given on probation
I was just told you’re hired when I started

My advice to find a new job stands. Move on you have no comeback.

Riesen_Meal · 04-01-2020 8:07pm

bluess99 wrote: »

I'd name and shame as too many employers sacking people before probation period is up.

You can't do that on here...

As Boards could be held liable for libel

Treppen · 04-01-2020 8:10pm

Fieldog wrote: »

You can't do that on here...

As Boards could be held liable for libel

Glassdoor.ie is good to check before starting , and leave a review when you leave. But don't make it too specific to identify you.

daheff · 04-01-2020 8:14pm

Emilee wrote: »

No contract no information given on probation
I was just told you’re hired when I started

While I don't think you have any case here, maybe get an ambulance chaser to look at this. You might have some kinda natural justice type case......but I doubt it.

A legal letter outlining this might result in company making a discretionary payment.

But don't wait up.....

Riesen_Meal · 04-01-2020 8:15pm

Treppen wrote: »

Glassdoor.ie is good to check before starting , and leave a review when you leave. But don't make it too specific to identify you.

I'm aware of what Glassdoor is, just saying you can't say it here...

Emilee · 04-01-2020 8:28pm

punisher5112 wrote: »

Nothing you can do unless it's about gender, sexualities, ethnicities etc etc.

You were most likely on a 12 month probation sometimes even more....

Suck it up move on.

Obviously people get sick and things happen but they're not interested and as he said they couldn't depend on you.

You need to show at least for that 1st year that you attend each and every day.

Car issues, get a taxi or a bus or a mate to drive.... It's part of it.

I live 25+ miles from work, they knew that when they hired me. I appreciate your response thank you.

BBM77 · 04-01-2020 11:08pm

Emilee wrote: »

I only started working for this company 13 weeks ago, called in sick once, then another time cause of car issues.
Fast forward a week while working I get a disciplinary letter to attend a meeting which the letter is VERY official. No issues with performance! Just that I didn’t follow proper procedures when calling in sick, nor was i givin any policy or procedure in which to do so when I started my employment. Now I’m fired, my employer stated to me that he could not depend on me. There were reasons beyond my control when I called in to say I would not be in, Which I told him I was being treated very unfairly. I need advice please

Not to make light of your problem but this does not seem too bad. At least you were given a reason based on things you did, even if it was harsh. I was let go during a probationary period on one job. I was not given an actual reason, I exceeded client’s expectations and did not miss a day. On one project I was able to progress it more in two weeks than it had been for years. Was just called into a meeting and told they were finishing up with me. My performance seemed to show my manager up as performing poorly so I had to go.

These things happen in the workplace you just have to put it down to experience and move on. Managers are just people at the end of the day. You don’t know what is going on in their head and they can have very fragile egos.

dartboardio · 04-01-2020 11:14pm

Maybe if you had of said the genuine reason why you were out sick to your employer, you wouldn't be fired.

Life gets in the way sometimes and employers are human too. I'm sure you'd still have your job if you were upfront about the reasons you called in sick, or even mentioned personal/home issues. They could have given you a few days off for everything to calm down.

Unfortunately you don't have a leg to stand on, being only 13 weeks in to the job.

ted1 · 04-01-2020 11:15pm

daheff wrote: »

While I don't think you have any case here, maybe get an ambulance chaser to look at this. You might have some kinda natural justice type case......but I doubt it.

A legal letter outlining this might result in company making a discretionary payment.

But don't wait up.....

And this post sums up what’s wrong with today’s compo culture

ted1 · 04-01-2020 11:17pm

Emilee wrote: »

I live 25+ miles from work, they knew that when they hired me. I appreciate your response thank you.

It’s not there issue how you get to work. If your car won’t start , jump on a bike , get a taxi , ask a neighbour for a lift, etc.

punisher5112 · 04-01-2020 11:19pm

Emilee wrote: »

I live 25+ miles from work, they knew that when they hired me. I appreciate your response thank you.

Don't in any way take me up as having a go by the way it's just your a number and they in many places couldn't give a fiddlers.

I fully understand things go wrong, car, sick or family problems and obviously you were in a place that is exactly that.... Couldn't care less.

Hope you find a better place and all works out.

As you are on probation they can do what they like with you.

It's a sad way to treat people and I believe there is way too much power and workers are been exploited.

zig · 04-01-2020 11:45pm

Whatever about the sick one, the car one is a bit weird to state you're not coming in that day.

Not trying to be harsh but most people I know including myself wouldnt dream of 2 day out in a first 13 weeks.

_Brian · 04-01-2020 11:51pm

jaxxx wrote: »

13 weeks. Assuming 5 day working weeks, that's 65 days. One day fully off due to illness. One day late cos of problems with the car. Taking the OP at their word, both things were unavoidable. Seems businesses just don't care for the 'human' in human resources anymore. Obviously some people take the mick altogether puling sickies left right and centre, but assuming the OP is sincere I just think it's a sad reflection on the world, just 2 days of a 65 day period.

"Johnny why weren't you at work today?"

"Oh it wasn't my fault, I was crossing the road at a zebra crossing, a bus decided to ignore it and flattened me. I broke 7 ribs, had a punctured lung but here I am 2 days later".

"Unacceptable, you're fired!"

Some people take the mick
That why employers watch new hires tightly.

Once they start displaying absence and late trends then it’s easier to move them in that risk being lumbered with a serial tardy employee that takes serious management.

beauf · 05-01-2020 12:05am

zig wrote: »

...Not trying to be harsh but most people I know including myself wouldnt dream of 2 day out in a first 13 weeks.

Really. So if you caught some nasty infectious illness you'd just rock into work anyway. Nice.

zig · 05-01-2020 12:24am

beauf wrote: »

Really. So if you caught some nasty infectious illness you'd just rock into work anyway. Nice.

In the event of something like that I would really try to stress to them the circumstance and emphasize how exceptional it is and possibly even offer to work the hours back or something (even though truthfully I wouldnt expect any decent employer to accept an offer like that).

Regarding the OP, I only just saw the post about the truth, sorry to hear that. Unfortunately as far the employer is concerned, if they are unaware then as far as they are concerned the car trouble thing is far from a convincing reason to not come into work.

robinbird · 05-01-2020 3:43am

Nothing you can do. Most employers would see two seperate days off in first three months as a bit of a rag flag.
Particularly the car issue one. And there may have been other factors and they are just citing that in order to give a reason.

Addle · 05-01-2020 3:51am

zig wrote: »

Whatever about the sick one, the car one is a bit weird to state you're not coming in that day.

Not trying to be harsh but most people I know including myself wouldnt dream of 2 day out in a first 13 weeks.

And these are 19 hour weeks.

beauf · 05-01-2020 11:44am

robinbird wrote: »

Nothing you can do. Most employers would see two seperate days off in first three months as a bit of a rag flag.
Particularly the car issue one. And there may have been other factors and they are just citing that in order to give a reason.

Most employers I don't think so. I've never had that experience.

In 3 months of working even half days you'd have worked up two days annual leave.

Three only places I know who left people go so flippantly use it as an excuse to rotate out temp staff after busy periods and it goes quiet line after Xmas or such. As a temp worker you've no rights anyway.

beauf · 05-01-2020 11:47am

Emilee wrote: »

... that I didn’t follow proper procedures when calling in sick, nor was i givin any policy or procedure in which to do so when I started my employment. ..

The reason wasn't the two days it was not following a procedure that they weren't informed about.

Not that it matters, they could give any reason, you've no security anyway.

The chan chan man · 05-01-2020 11:49am

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

2 days taken off for separate reasons within the 1st 3 months....

They probably see it as a sign of things to come, and it just not being worth their hassle.

100% this.

banie01 · 05-01-2020 11:56am

Emilee wrote: »

I live 25+ miles from work, they knew that when they hired me. I appreciate your response thank you.

You also knew how far you lived from work when you accepted the position.
What difference does it make?

You were on a probationary period, you were also within your 1st 12months of employment.
Unless you can prove you were let go in breach of an anti-discriminatory ground, you have no recourse.

Wanderer78 · 05-01-2020 11:56am

has anyone mentioned the attempted suicide?

S.G.M. · 05-01-2020 11:59am

Sorry to hear OP. Very harsh if that's all. People get sick and unavoidable problems to occur.
I understand people have a business to run but where is the humanity.

AndyBoBandy · 05-01-2020 12:21pm

Wanderer78 wrote: »

has anyone mentioned the attempted suicide?

The employer wasn’t informed of it at the time, and another reason for the absence was provided instead. So you’d imagine an employer would have shown empathy to that situation, I doubt they’d appreciate being lied to initially.

beauf · 05-01-2020 1:01pm

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

The employer wasn’t informed of it at the time, and another reason for the absence was provided instead. So you’d imagine an employer would have shown empathy to that situation, I doubt they’d appreciate being lied to initially.

You don't have to tell an employer why you want leave sick or any other type.

The issue here was it didn't follow procedure.

beauf · 05-01-2020 1:24pm

Theres a very cynical attitude here.

I'm reminded me of a manager I worked with (not one of mine) who decided to pull up one of his senior team members over his tea breaks. (there was nothing excessive about the tea breaks btw). This was guy who worked at least an extra hour a day because it suited his transport. He was technical expert and by far the most expert person in the department.

Result the guy stopped working the extra hours, just worked his exact contract hours and then spent those extra hours sitting in the coffee shop next door working on other things on his laptop waiting for his transport.

People are human, not all are the same and people have personal issues from time to time. Might be sick patents, kids, childcare, cars breakdown, plumbing breaks etc. If they are a good worker in every other way it makes no sense to get rid of them and go through the cost and time of recruiting someone else who might be very bad worker. Simply through a lack of empathy.

That said as temp or under probation you have to expect it could end at the drop off a hat. Same with working contact.

Some places working with students or temp staff or unskilled labour you often find a lot of unreliable people. Construction used to be a lot like this. It's a nature of the business. You can't be precious about it. You have to work around it, with over lapping cover and flexible projects. If the plumber doesn't turn up, work on something else. Etc.

If your whole place is in crisis because someone on probation didn't turn up for two half days out of 100 you have bigger issues.

Graham · 05-01-2020 1:59pm

beauf wrote: »

I'm reminded me of a manager I worked with (not one of mine) who decided to pull up one of his senior team members over his tea breaks.

Don't see any connection to the thread here.

beauf wrote: »

If your whole place is in crisis because someone on probation didn't turn up for two half days out of 100 you have bigger issues.

OP didn't say the place was in crisis.

Emmersonn · 05-01-2020 2:13pm

Emilee wrote: »

I live 25+ miles from work, they knew that when they hired me. I appreciate your response thank you.

What is more important is that you knew that you were living 25+ miles from them, You also would have known your problem if and when you had car problems. Most managers do not care how you get to work. Their only concern is that you are dependable and on time. That is how a successful business is ran.

beauf · 05-01-2020 3:13pm

Graham wrote: »

Don't see any connection to the thread here.

OP didn't say the place was in crisis.

Must be if they got fired over it.

Cutting off the nose to spite the face" is an expression to describe a needlessly self-destructive over-reaction to a problem.

beauf · 05-01-2020 3:24pm

Emmersonn wrote: »

What is more important is that you knew that you were living 25+ miles from them, You also would have known your problem if and when you had car problems. Most managers do not care how you get to work. Their only concern is that you are dependable and on time. That is how a successful business is ran.

They do care thats why companies mostly locate near suitable skilled labor and transport links. Unless they are geographically constrained obviously. Generally they ask people when they interview them.

Graham · 05-01-2020 3:26pm

beauf wrote: »

Must be if they got fired over it.

Cutting off the nose to spite the face" is an expression to describe a needlessly self-destructive over-reaction to a problem.

Nope, still don't see it.

The point of a probation period is surely to give a new employee an opportunity to demonstrate they are capable/reliable.

Where this doesn't work out I'd hardly describe the inevitable response an over-reaction or self-destructive, quite the opposite.

StupidLikeAFox · 05-01-2020 4:39pm

Possibly you might have grounds for unfair dismissal, even though you were on probation. Just because you are on probation doesn't mean you give up your right to fair procedures

https://www.algoodbody.com/insights-publications/probationary-periods-and-fair-procedures

beauf · 05-01-2020 4:48pm

Graham wrote: »

Nope, still don't see it.

The point of a probation period is surely to give a new employee an opportunity to demonstrate they are capable/reliable.

Where this doesn't work out I'd hardly describe the inevitable response an over-reaction or self-destructive, quite the opposite.

If you fire people for not following procedures that you've not informed them about, I can see it not working out a lot.

Very cynical and deliberate imo.

Esse85 · 05-01-2020 4:51pm

Did you not get any written contract at all?

I thought the company must issue you one within 2 months of starting.

splinter65 · 05-01-2020 4:55pm

Emilee wrote: »

Yes 19 hours,

There’s no time limit on the hours you can work when on DA. There is an income limit.

Just got fired

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