In what scenario would the government let RTE die?

ILoveYourVibes · 28-12-2019 09:30PM

Ready4Boarding wrote: »

You’re a raving lunatic. I imagine you, like I am, are appalled by fake news conspiracy theories in the US, but you’re just as backward as they are.

No I suppose i should say i have a family member who worked in RTE for over a decade though quite high up and still does consultancy work with them and other broadcasters. So people don't think i am hiding a bias.

But that is the view from the inside though.

ILoveYourVibes · 28-12-2019 09:30PM

Sardonicat wrote: »

And the player will still be buffering. ..

Its woeful.

I know. They should just put it all on youtube and make it available.

FAMLEE · 28-12-2019 09:31PM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Scum is a little harsh. You realize its likely a lot of posters here either work there or have family who work there.

I wouldn't think Newstalk is objective. But i wouldn't refer to the people who work there as scum. Its likely they are just normal people trying to earn crust and get by.

Well shame on them! Normal people my ar5e, what self respecting person with any morals would work for or support this disgusting preying establishment? Plenty of other jobs out there to justify their qualifications these days.

Scum the lot. My opinion.

bunderoon · 28-12-2019 09:31PM

FAMLEE wrote: »

Bang on, scum the lot of them.. nothing but propaganda ever shown on rte news! We wouldn't mind if they reported on actual problems & the real Ireland!

Yes, I firmly believe that RTE were and still is an arm of the government. That and the catholic church seem to the main reasons for the Irish being so ignorant to what was going on over the last 60-70 years. The debt tiger crash in 07 and the spin that was spun in the years since would be the last biggest example of dis-info peddled by the daily and spoofed to the people by RTE.

ILoveYourVibes · 28-12-2019 09:39PM

FAMLEE wrote: »

Well shame on them! Normal people my ar5e, what self respecting person with any morals would work for or support this disgusting preying establishment? Plenty of other jobs out there to justify their qualifications these days.

Scum the lot. My opinion.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/media-and-marketing/most-politicians-don-t-have-a-good-word-to-say-about-rt%C3%A9-1.4076129

From the Irish times ..you know the paper that Newstalk banned entirely

‘Most politicians don’t have a good word to say about RTɒ

Get back in the queue, says one Minister of RTɒs requests for funding

In public most politicians and the people who work for them are enthusiastically supportive of RTÉ. They praise the station’s output. They like to be seen with what RTÉ used to call “Ireland’s best-loved personalities”. Tributes to Gay Byrne gushed out of them in recent days. They pay lip service to the idea of public service broadcasting.
In private, though, it is often a different matter. “Most politicians don’t have a good word to say about RTÉ,” says one Cabinet Minister.
“RTÉ thinks the public love them,” says a senior official. “But they don’t.” And therefore, he adds, politicians don’t care about RTÉ.

Preying establishment?

Its not like they have had saville like scandals ...bar that priest who was falsely accused sadly. In comparison to other broadcasters in the era of #metoo ..RTE hasn't come off too badly at all.

What exactly have RTE done that makes you so mad?

I understand ....dissatisfaction frustration etc. There is a lot of wastage ...certain people over paid ..and certain production skills under paid

The only people who seem to hate RTE so much are politicians FG FF SF etc.

FF and FG are always calling for an inquiry into this and an inquiry into that.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/fianna-fil-complains-over-rts-use-of-fine-gael-byelection-candidate-to-discuss-essex-lorry-deaths-38647775.html

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/fianna-f%C3%A1il-td-calls-for-inquiry-into-rt%C3%A9-tg4-exit-poll-1.3906105

The govt sacked the entire RTE authority in the 70s. Not exactly the action of someone who loves you is it?

amadangomor · 28-12-2019 09:45PM

bunderoon wrote: »

Yes, I firmly believe that RTE were and still is an arm of the government. That and the catholic church seem to the main reasons for the Irish being so ignorant to what was going on over the last 60-70 years. The debt tiger crash in 07 and the spin that was spun in the years since would be the last biggest example of dis-info peddled by the daily and spoofed to the people by RTE.

Ah here, RTE were one of the biggest purveyors of doom and gloom during the recession, hardly propaganda for the government, the opposite actually.

KWAG2019 · 28-12-2019 09:47PM

The government will let RTE die when it ceases to be an organ of politically correct groupthink and starts calling politicians to serious and unremitting account for their incompetence.

fr336 · 28-12-2019 09:48PM

Good old Netflix, full of other broadcaster's shows.

ILoveYourVibes · 28-12-2019 09:48PM

amadangomor wrote: »

Ah here, RTE were one of the biggest purveyors of doom and gloom during the recession, hardly propaganda for the government, the opposite actually.

Yes.

However it must be pointed out. I feel RTE journalists felt they had fallen asleep during the boom a little. Or at least couldn't understand the consequences for what was going on. This fact was not lost on them but only in retrospect.

I know a lot of people in rte felt they have the personal responsibility to get to the truth during that time. They genuinely felt they owed to the Irish public. And they did owe it to us.

Ready4Boarding · 28-12-2019 09:48PM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/media-and-marketing/most-politicians-don-t-have-a-good-word-to-say-about-rt%C3%A9-1.4076129

From the Irish times ..you know the paper that Newstalk banned entirely

Preying establishment?

Its not like they have had saville like scandals ...bar that priest who was falsely accused sadly. In comparison to other broadcasters in the era of #metoo ..RTE hasn't come off too badly at all.

What exactly have RTE done that makes you so mad?

I understand ....dissatisfaction frustration etc. There is a lot of wastage ...certain people over paid ..and certain production skills under paid

The only people who seem to hate RTE so much are politicians FG FF SF etc.

FF and FG are always calling for an inquiry into this and an inquiry into that.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/fianna-fil-complains-over-rts-use-of-fine-gael-byelection-candidate-to-discuss-essex-lorry-deaths-38647775.html

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/fianna-f%C3%A1il-td-calls-for-inquiry-into-rt%C3%A9-tg4-exit-poll-1.3906105

This is hilarious. You even present your thoughts like a conspiracy theorist. Got any more irrelevant links you could spam me with?!

An unnamed source says no one in government “has a good word to say,” yet that same government has just extended RTE 10m in funding. Being unhappy with RTE’s news coverage is not the same as hating it or willing it to disappear.

FAMLEE · 28-12-2019 09:50PM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/media-and-marketing/most-politicians-don-t-have-a-good-word-to-say-about-rt%C3%A9-1.4076129

From the Irish times ..you know the paper that Newstalk banned entirely

Preying establishment?

Its not like they have had saville like scandals ...bar that priest who was falsely accused sadly. In comparison to other broadcasters in the era of #metoo ..RTE hasn't come off too badly at all.

What exactly have RTE done that makes you so mad?

I understand ....dissatisfaction frustration etc. There is a lot of wastage ...certain people over paid ..and certain production skills under paid

The only people who seem to hate RTE so much are politicians FG FF SF etc.

FF and FG are always calling for an inquiry into this and an inquiry into that.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/fianna-fil-complains-over-rts-use-of-fine-gael-byelection-candidate-to-discuss-essex-lorry-deaths-38647775.html

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/fianna-f%C3%A1il-td-calls-for-inquiry-into-rt%C3%A9-tg4-exit-poll-1.3906105

Bullshi1t article, "Most Politicians" .. what about the rest? Reverse psychology at its finest, no scandals like Saville as of yet, but what about the thousands of poor young feckers abused by priests in that #metoo era, Magdalene laundries etc?

It makes me mad because they prey on the elderly people who have been stuffed with their sh1te for decades, it's not like many millennials will suck up their propaganda now is it?

The fact of the matter is the RTE is supposed to be a national broadcaster for us payed by us, but they don't broadcast the real Ireland and never did!! So what's the point anymore?

A lot of wastage is right.. All of it is wastage.. knock down any rte associated buildings and build affordable housing for the PEOPLE OF IRELAND IN THIS HOUSING CRISIS

ILoveYourVibes · 28-12-2019 09:50PM

Ready4Boarding wrote: »

Being unhappy with RTE’s news coverage is not the same as hating it or willing it to disappear.

What are you unhappy with?

Ready4Boarding · 28-12-2019 09:54PM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

What are you unhappy with?

About RTE? Nothing. I’m just ridiculing you’re deranged anti-government ramblings.

elperello · 28-12-2019 09:56PM

I hope RTE or whatever name our national broadcaster is to be known as never dies.

We need TV and radio stations that reflect our own country our history and culture, our sports and pastimes, not some dreadful conglomeration of what UK and US companies want to broadcast.

If it ever comes to pass and you are all sitting in corners looking at your Netflix or Amazon on your personal devices you will know what was lost but it will be too late.

ILoveYourVibes · 28-12-2019 09:58PM

FAMLEE wrote: »

Bullshi1t article, "Most Politicians" .. what about the rest? Reverse psychology at its finest, no scandals like Saville as of yet, but what about the thousands of poor young feckers abused by priests in that #metoo era, Magdalene laundries etc?

No other news broadcaster covered the laundries like RTE. I can assure you.

You had the states of fear documentary in the early 90s.

The CICA was established as a result of that documentary. It brought forth an apology from Ahern.

Without RTE you would never have even have HEARD about the maggie laundries unless you yourself or a family member had been in one.

And only they have continued to keep it in the news on Irish tv.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/the-priest-who-filmed-inside-a-dublin-magdalene-laundry-1.4060665

The priest who filmed inside a Dublin Magdalene Laundry
Fr Jack Delaney made rare films depicting Irish life before the advent of television

Considering the govt has decided to make certain sites hotels etc with no reference their history if it weren't for RTE and RTE PLAYER most people in the next generation wouldn't have a clue the maggie laundries even existed.

KWAG2019 · 28-12-2019 10:01PM

elperello wrote: »

I hope RTE or whatever name our national broadcaster is to be known as never dies.

We need TV and radio stations that reflect our own country our history and culture, our sports and pastimes, not some dreadful conglomeration of what UK and US companies want to broadcast.

If it ever comes to pass and you are all sitting in corners looking at your Netflix or Amazon on your personal devices you will know what was lost but it will be too late.

The problem is that RTE fulfills that role less and less. Can you imagine a Late Late that challenges the dominant ideology today in the way Gaybo challenged the toxic RC church? I can’t. I never see politicians and their parties demolished because RTE can’t bite the hand that feeds it. And it has undermined itself by paying vastly inflated salaries to mediocrities like Tubridy, Marian, Duffy, O’ Callaghan and the insufferable Darcy.

ILoveYourVibes · 28-12-2019 10:04PM

KWAG2019 wrote: »

The problem is that RTE fulfills that role less and less. Can you imagine a Late Late that challenges the dominant ideology today in the way Gaybo challenged the toxic RC church? I can’t. I never see politicians and their parties demolished because RTE can’t bite the hand that feeds it. And it has undermined itself by paying vastly inflated salaries to mediocrities like Tubridy, Marian, Duffy, O’ Callaghan and the insufferable Darcy.

I understand your feelings.

Part of the issue is this. If RTE plays too hard or gives an interview that is too tough they will find themselves frozen out.

Also Tubridy is too close to politicians in his family to be in the role he is in IMO. He isn't a bad person ..and he's intelligent. But he is totally wrong for the role and should go.

They need a generation of journalists from different backgrounds ..working class backgrounds in particular ...with a rebel streak.

The rest of Europe had maggie laundries too ...but only Ireland has totally reversed its stance on the church with the level of revulsion for the church. You don't see that in Spain etc. It has a lot to do with RTE.

FAMLEE · 28-12-2019 10:08PM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

They need a generation of journalists from different backgrounds ..working class backgrounds in particular ...with a rebel streak.

They should have done that 50 years ago, reporting on the real Ireland not the upper middle class' trials&trivials. It's too late now though. Let's face the facts.. RTE is doomed there's no saving it now & thank god ! The sooner it's demolished the better for everyone.

ILoveYourVibes · 28-12-2019 10:11PM

FAMLEE wrote: »

They should have done that 50 years ago, reporting on the real Ireland not the upper middle class' trials&trivials. It's too late now though. Let's face the facts.. RTE is doomed there's no saving it now & thank god ! The sooner it's demolished the better for everyone.

I don't think its doomed just yet.

True it should have reported that 50 yrs ago. But there were different people in RTE at the top then. They had different perspectives and different priorities.

They would have all been mostly middle class or upper class and all white men etc. Very few women then. It was a very very small club.

Its STILL a very very small club and needs a LOT more diversity.

elperello · 28-12-2019 10:13PM

FAMLEE wrote: »

They should have done that 50 years ago, reporting on the real Ireland not the upper middle class' trials&trivials. It's too late now though. Let's face the facts.. RTE is doomed there's no saving it now & thank god ! The sooner it's demolished the better for everyone.

You RTE apocalypse doesn't ring true.
There is nothing wrong with RTE that can't be fixed.
All that's needed is a plan and the will to implement it.

FAMLEE · 28-12-2019 10:16PM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

I don't think its doomed just yet.

Its STILL a very very small club and needs a LOT more diversity.

It's doomed. Think what you want, it might take 2/5/10 years to die but it's a doomed establishment, no point in denying otherwise.

KWAG2019 · 28-12-2019 10:18PM

FAMLEE wrote: »

They should have done that 50 years ago, reporting on the real Ireland not the upper middle class' trials&trivials. It's too late now though. Let's face the facts.. RTE is doomed there's no saving it now & thank god ! The sooner it's demolished the better for everyone.

50 years ago was 1970 almost. Gay Byrne did exactly what you describe. The whole class analysis has very little footing in Ireland because most people are PAYE. Better to talk of welfare class (long term), PAYE class, self employed, and landlord class.

ILoveYourVibes · 28-12-2019 10:19PM

FAMLEE wrote: »

It's doomed. Think what you want, it might take 2/5/10 years to die but it's a doomed establishment, no point in denying otherwise.

Well ...then something else must take its place.

But in the meantime.

60s on RTE Documentary in sheriff street

ILoveYourVibes · 28-12-2019 10:28PM

KWAG2019 wrote: »

50 years ago was 1970 almost. Gay Byrne did exactly what you describe. The whole class analysis has very little footing in Ireland because most people are PAYE. Better to talk of welfare class (long term), PAYE class, self employed, and landlord class.

You live in a bubble. We all live in different bubbles though. But i understand why you do, I understand why i live in my own different bubble. There is a class system in Ireland always has been.

Bigboldworld · 28-12-2019 10:40PM

I would say another ten years, in its current state it’s simply not sustainable, massive wages to a handful of presenters whilst subscription platforms like netflix etc take most of its audience, technology will force it to drastically cut back/change or end.

Another major issue is that the quality of its shows are mostly very poor, the late late is car crash a lot of the time now etc, no longer the show it was many years ago

Moshman · 28-12-2019 10:41PM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

That is way more complicated.

You know newstalk banned Irish times journos until Fintan O'Toole retracted an article of his.
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/media-and-marketing/radio-group-owned-by-denis-o-brien-bans-irish-times-journalists-1.3245906

O'Toole dared to share his opinion about George Hook. ( Whom my father has had the displeasure and misfortune to know ). O'Toole's opinion was not flattering and so Denny banned not just O'Toole but ALL Irish times journalists.

How do i put this?? Denny owns a lot of people ...but a lot of people also own denny.

Denny and the govt ..its like they own one cheek of each other's arse. But you only see this when some honest journalist pulls both of their pants down.

Its a strange relationship for the govt. 90% of the time all owned by Denny is far from a thorn in the govts side. But 10% of the time Denny has his own agenda ...which is far from being on the side of journalism.

Couldn't agree more about O Brien or Hook(your father's clearly a very astute man), they both used NT for their own agenda. didn't know about the IT journalists ban. There's still good broadcasters there sticking the boot into the govt. on issues like homelessness, cervical check, hospital waiting lists etc. but as the saying goes, in a democracy we, the voters get the representatives we deserve (Healy Rae's, P. Flynn, Lawlor, Ahern etc)

elperello · 28-12-2019 10:49PM

Bigboldworld wrote: »

I would say another ten years, in its current state it’s simply not sustainable, massive wages to a handful of presenters whilst subscription platforms like netflix etc take most of its audience, technology will force it to drastically cut back/change or end.

Another major issue is that the quality of its shows are mostly very poor, the late late is car crash a lot of the time now etc, no longer the show it was many years ago

All the more reason to get on with the Commission and figure out what we want from a national broadcaster in the coming years.

The glass is half full.

Just in the last 24 hours there was a lovely tribute show for Brendan Grace and Brenda Donoghue had an excellent documentary on Radio 1 about Barack Obama Plaza.

We are good story tellers with a good story to tell.

political analyst · 28-12-2019 10:55PM

Jaxen Odd Necktie wrote: »

Nonsense. We're as rural as you'll get and can get all. And Freesat is cheap as chips. I don't know one retired person reliant on RTE. Even plain old Saorview gives a choice of other channels. Freeview is available without a dish for many as well.

I did say, "even if they could afford..." for reasons that I gave in my original comment.

antimatterx · 28-12-2019 11:02PM

My opinion is generally against the grain amongst my peers (I'm 23), but I actually enjoyed RTE and was in favour of keeping them up until (and reducing wages of course) recently. The factual programs are good, shows like Prime Time, Claire Byrne Live and the like are pretty good. RTE news itself and the political coverage is top-notch, but this year, all their shows have been muck. It needs an overhaul and that included the people in charge of content.

Dee Forbes has stated recently that RTE needs to pay it's top presenters top money to keep them. I'm of the opinion that if they can get the same wages elsewhere, let them leave. But 150K - 200K should be topped. If the top earners don't accept that, so be it. Let them move on.

You can definitely find people who aren't even in showbiz, you could do a job to the same level as, if not better than Ryan Tubridy, Ray Darcy, and Joe Duffy. They're nothing special.

ILoveYourVibes · 28-12-2019 11:04PM

Bigboldworld wrote: »

I would say another ten years, in its current state it’s simply not sustainable, massive wages to a handful of presenters whilst subscription platforms like netflix etc take most of its audience, technology will force it to drastically cut back/change or end.

Another major issue is that the quality of its shows are mostly very poor, the late late is car crash a lot of the time now etc, no longer the show it was many years ago

I agree with a lot of what you say above. That's a business model problem though. They were meant to be selling the RTE guide which i am surprised no one has mentioned because its not been making money for yrs. My dad wanted to do that for yrs. But after almost going through with it its been halted in December.

I think that is a huge mistake. It could have raised a lot of needed money.

RTE needs a whole new development dept.

Moshman wrote: »

Couldn't agree more about O Brien or Hook(your father's clearly a very astute man), they both used NT for their own agenda. didn't know about the IT journalists ban. There's still good broadcasters there sticking the boot into the govt. on issues like homelessness, cervical check, hospital waiting lists etc. but as the saying goes, in a democracy we, the voters get the representatives we deserve (Healy Rae's, P. Flynn, Lawlor, Ahern etc)

He is very astute. And very experienced. TBH if he spoke his opinion on a lot of things he would get sued. The issue with using people is you make yourself vulnerable too. Hook has made a lot of enemies. His wife and kids are bad news too. They keep setting up dodgy firms.

RTE was naive enough to get involved in one.

RTE should never have allowed him to comment on sports for so long not with the crap he got up to. He would stalk and harass people who crossed them contacting their former or current employers etc.

There are still lots of amazing journalists.:) True.

In what scenario would the government let RTE die?

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